Angry White People

[Iamwhomiam]

Looking over this thread itself makes it clear that RI has drifted far, far away from what Jeff Wells- and a lot of us besides- hoped this place would be.

No offense, AD, but I think it would be more accurate to say Jeff Wells has drifted far, far away from RI, leaving us alone and adrift (oh my!) and sadly, a few became shark food while others still just simply and silently drifted away into the everlasting ethernight. Jeff's hopes for what RI could have been were dashed long ago, when his soul was so deeply seared.*

But I know what you mean.

However, about this,

That is a serious thing.

No, not really.

But I know what you mean. And in that sense, obstructionist arguments aside, (and because of them), the archive continues growing as long as the plug stays in.

* Jeff Wells does reappear every year or so to drop a hint a new post is on the way.

Keep Hope Alive!

[kool maudit]

You have to wonder about an interpretation in which the term "rigourous intuition" legitimizes ideological tests.

"Do you swear in no uncertain terms that this loose grouping of fringe publications and authors should be shunned in the coarsest of terms upon every mention?"

"Whatever you like pal"

"Why do you keep throwing bricks at Emmett Till?"

You know, the aspect of Jeff's writings that led me to sign up for this forum was the talk of the Others, the archons, the things and voices beyond material life. That used to be a big part of things here, and now it isn't. Things drift along multiple axes.

I would never have signed up for some sort of straight-ticket, US progressive-type forum. But things go as they go, and you begin to look forward to certain people's posts, and you talk about what people are talking about. Sometimes you align and sometimes you don't. You take breaks and return.

If I was to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say that nobody could be a leftist in the AD manner save a deep cover rightist, because this is the sort of leftist the right needs. This is the sort of leftism that explains Pol Pot. But I don't actually believe that. I believe AD thinks what he thinks and believes what he believes. I also think that leftist thought truly can lead to Pol Pot-ism, just as rightist thought can more famously lead to Hitler-ism*, and I think that's very much on display in this thread.

"Do you or do you not..."

Who fucking talks like that?

(* This does not, of course, mean that "the truth lies in the middle" or something like that. That's the lowest sort of Clinton/Blair/Third Way thinking. That's what got us where we are. The truth may well be extreme, but it's extreme on another axis from our manufactured political realm.)

[American Dream]

I think the Rigorous Intuition board has long had a problem with the propagation of far right ideas. Racist/scapegoating material is just one egregious from- of many. Jeff has put this place mostly behind him, and what that means is open for reflection.

The number of people here who do like writings from the far right was somewhat amazing to me. I was first exposed to such material when an educated person I know showed me writings that were so blatantly racist that they were in line with the worst of Nazi propaganda from the 30's and 40's. That person- an old hippy- later descended into an even more blatant state of mental imbalance and has never gotten better.

Before that, I thought folks promoting a cross-over of reactionary ideas were mostly just a straw man of anti-conspiracy folks. What I see now is much deeper- conspiracies within conspiracies- and no, I'm not going to break that down more personally.

Racism, fascism and the far right generally are part and parcel of our social problem. Those who suggest otherwise are- at best- extremely misguided.

[jakell]

Looking back, it seems that it wasn't only me and Tapitsbo who were guilty of not mentioning racist violence (this yardstick has now appeared), but everyone else present too, including AD. This could be extended to anyone else who may be lurking, including Jeff (and the Dalai Lama).

It seems that the amount of guilt available to go around is almost immeasurable and inexhaustible. If we are to accept this yardstick of 'non-mentioning' (which would be pretty dumb, but I'm trying to do 10 dumb things before breakfast) then we could at least look for the first instance of it. There's a possible signpost to this in the second post.

Of course, people here aren't dumb (except maybe as a thought experiment) and might look for a bigger picture. AD's production of this yardstick is a pretty specific example of something I mentioned in another thread, although I prefer to keep it as a generalisation:

....It goes deeper than this though, the J'accuse method is used on those who fail to say the right things, in a timely fashion and of the correct intensity and using correct phaseology (obviously, these value judgements are arbitrary and can be altered at someone's whim). It's a subtle, but effective move to condemn folks for what they don't say, rather than what they actually say.
This is 'co-conditioning', and is all the more effective because it requires much less input from above and gets people to do it to each other, the triggers being about in-group/out-group fears, which are stronger than people like to admit. Watch out for it.

It seems that the OP was a test, and everybody failed. The Dalai Lama does seem to have a history of this though and is starting to look suspect to me

[kool maudit]

The Dalai Lama does seem to have a history of this though and is starting to look suspect to me

If you want to check if something is suspect, just run it through the Probl-O-Matic 5000. It can weigh things like feudal theocracy of the Lamas vs. Tibetan right to self-determination vs. need for global communism vs. dignity of spiritual leader in exile vs. what racists in the American South think (this plug-in is non-optional for US users) and deliver a response that puts you on THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY or some of your money back (we give the rest to oppressed people as defined by the current model year version of the Intersectionator, which is also available through our mail-order site).

[82_28]

I think, KM that what has changed is that the weirdos have been weeded out -- or weeded themselves out. Most people I think came here by mistake. We happened upon Mr. Wells by mistake. There was much more paranoia in the nearly ten years I have been here back then. There was shit ton of ludicrous bullshit but all was considered in kind. I think this is happening the web over not just here.

We are the last of the Mohicans. We know the old protocols and straddle the line, as it were, of the newer protocols of how to conduct one's self online. There should be no rules and really there aren't any, but people disconnected in a way that doesn't scale in real life and as long as we let this disconnect go on the further we will all lose track of "the plot". I am not totally "married" to RI but I am connected to a lot of people who either lurk or have left or got banned, what have you.

This shit is totally temporal and us "old timers" saw the ebbs and flows of shit. It's like the project I work on with people (on other sites) who actually are de facto members here, at least six people, they don't visit, comment or even lurk any more because of dust ups like these. They all cite that they do not like the personal arguments. I try and hold the torch to a degree because I have to. We didn't spend all this time here to fight. Hell, I fucking lost two longish term important (to me) relationships because of this place. Namely I had kooky ideas in a world that doesn't care for much speculation. Most people want shit to be set in stone yet also open to ideas. So RI became my place. In the middle of the night how do you explain to someone what it is you had just read or what you just wrote and why you're not in bed yet? Then you gotta google it, drill down on the history of shit. I wouldn't trade it back. I just wish people would understand that having curiosity takes time!

There's only so much one can do in a day.

When I venture out I always remind myself that everyone around me has worries, hang-ups -- shit that's none of my business. It doesn't make me feel good to think that most of us are all in the same boat, it makes me worry that there is an under girding sickness that cannot be healed through any sort of anger. Everyone has something on their minds.

So fuckin' knock it off.

[kool maudit]

These thoughts resonate with me, 82_28.

Does anyone else feel like Gordon White/Rune Soup's "Archonology" series is something like a true intellectual heir to Jeff Wells' "Rigorous Intuition"?

[tapitsbo]

I think the Rigorous Intuition board has long had a problem with the propagation of far right ideas. Racist/scapegoating material is just one egregious from- of many. Jeff has put this place mostly behind him, and what that means is open for reflection.

The number of people here who do like writings from the far right was somewhat amazing to me. I was first exposed to such material when an educated person I know showed me writings that were so blatantly racist that they were in line with the worst of Nazi propaganda from the 30's and 40's. That person- an old hippy- later descended into an even more blatant state of mental imbalance and has never gotten better.

Before that, I thought folks promoting a cross-over of reactionary ideas were mostly just a straw man of anti-conspiracy folks. What I see now is much deeper- conspiracies within conspiracies- and no, I'm not going to break that down more personally.

Racism, fascism and the far right generally are part and parcel of our social problem. Those who suggest otherwise are- at best- extremely misguided.

And to think AD was posting about political psychiatry in another thread.

Who's "we" when AD says "our"? There's a project underway here to reframe the meaning of "racism, fascism, and the far right" to fit very singular, precisely targeted standards.

Jeff Wells was an incisive critic of the "right wing" of the powers that be, AD focuses on a foolish, disenfranchised "right wing" as part of a project of conditioning the intuitives gathered here, in the service of certain meta-goals.

There is a tangential relationship between the latter and former groups as was amply demonstrated on the interesting VISUPVIEW blogs AD linked and perhaps authored, but why don't we zoom out and really see parts of the bigger picture have been obscured...

Sometimes it feels as though this forum has slowly cured me of Tantra Induced Delusional Syndrome, and for that I am grateful.

Gordon White's work is pretty interesting, a lot more interesting when read in conjunction with certain other inspired authors of present times.

But kool maudit, I think I'll have to remind you that your accusations about deep cover agents are against the forum rules!

[Sounder]

kool maudit wrote...

You know, the aspect of Jeff's writings that led me to sign up for this forum was the talk of the Others, the archons, the things and voices beyond material life. That used to be a big part of things here, and now it isn't. Things drift along multiple axes.

Things aren't drifting, we are being culture jammed. AD has indicated his disdain for 'conspiracy theories' and woo, which is fine, but.

Jamming is easy work, all that need be done is to fill the forum with emotive triggers and watch as the suckers respond to them.

AD puts himself up as the judge, but we do not benefit from more judges with no discrimination.

[tapitsbo]

But woo itself is quite understandable as the instrument of judges, priest-kings, as it seems, (understandable in accordance with their words) - judges who transgress boundaries to the extent required to enforce them and make them material.

(hence TIDS, economic aspects of love being checks and balances on ascension to these liminal heights of dissolution for the spellbound.)

Woo is a threat because it engenders creative powers. Among other reasons.

Another bard does their jamming by way of byzantine breaches of decorum that sizzle with bluster in an exponential relationship with their lack of content...

Both voices were brought to a state of alertness by my early remarks on this board in regards to yet another commentator, a well-connected attributor of a nebulous "depth" to overarching conspiracies which are all the more tangible for being hidden in plain sight (PDS)

But as the halcyon hierophant might say if he still were here, conspiracies within conspiracies sure are real but I don't know nuffin' 'bout that...

[jakell]

I think the Rigorous Intuition board has long had a problem with the propagation of far right ideas. Racist/scapegoating material is just one egregious from- of many. Jeff has put this place mostly behind him, and what that means is open for reflection.

The number of people here who do like writings from the far right was somewhat amazing to me. I was first exposed to such material when an educated person I know showed me writings that were so blatantly racist that they were in line with the worst of Nazi propaganda from the 30's and 40's. That person- an old hippy- later descended into an even more blatant state of mental imbalance and has never gotten better.

Before that, I thought folks promoting a cross-over of reactionary ideas were mostly just a straw man of anti-conspiracy folks. What I see now is much deeper- conspiracies within conspiracies- and no, I'm not going to break that down more personally.

Racism, fascism and the far right generally are part and parcel of our social problem. Those who suggest otherwise are- at best- extremely misguided.

And to think AD was posting about political psychiatry in another thread.

Who's "we" when AD says "our"? There's a project underway here to reframe the meaning of "racism, fascism, and the far right" to fit very singular, precisely targeted standards.

Jeff Wells was an incisive critic of the "right wing" of the powers that be, AD focuses on a foolish, disenfranchised "right wing" as part of a project of conditioning the intuitives gathered here, in the service of certain meta-goals.

There is a tangential relationship between the latter and former groups as was amply demonstrated on the interesting VISUPVIEW blogs AD linked and perhaps authored, but why don't we zoom out and really see parts of the bigger picture have been obscured...

Sometimes it feels as though this forum has slowly cured me of Tantra Induced Delusional Syndrome, and for that I am grateful.

Gordon White's work is pretty interesting, a lot more interesting when read in conjunction with certain other inspired authors of present times.

But kool maudit, I think I'll have to remind you that your accusations about deep cover agents are against the forum rules!

Well observed, but if I might make a slight adjustment.

It's not so much about reframing this, but about keeping things as they are. Those ' singular precisely targeted standards' have been established for a while in this area, heavily policed by antifa types.

The 'project' you are seeing is about resisting any attempt to finesse these (even though the outside world is moving on). Visit some antifa sites, or observe the pastes here, and you will see a preference for simple shapes, primary colours and and almost Christian dedication to preserving singular good/evil archetypes.

Not really connected, but as you mention Gordon White, have you read any of John Michael Greer's more recent occult orientated blog 'The Well of Galabes'?

[tapitsbo]

I don't need to since I already have seen a lot here and in other places. Thankfully there's been much else to pore over at RI.

I've looked a little at Well Of Galabes, but once again the writer in question's connections are just as fascinating as the content.

Conspiracies within conspiracies, eh?

[kool maudit]

Not really connected, but as you mention Gordon White, have you read any of John Michael Greer's more recent occult orientated blog?

No but now I am I am a fan of the Archdruid report and just ordered his "The Blood of the Earth" from Scarlet Imprint.

i recently finished his co-translation of the Picatrix, so this link is really well-timed and much appreciated. Greer is a serious person.

[jakell]

I don't need to since I already have seen a lot here and in other places. Thankfully there's been much else to pore over at RI.

I've looked a little at Well Of Galabes, but once again the writer in question's connections are just as fascinating as the content.

Conspiracies within conspiracies, eh?

I know what you mean, having read him for years I was a little taken aback by the connection between Druidry and Freemasonry. I take his writings as I find them though, interestingly, does put freemasonry in a lesser context in the previous entry to that I linked to, ie he seems to be establishing a hierarchy of ideas rather than just having 'connections'.

Incidently, this is actually the direction I wish(ed) to develop here, all the far-right analysis has been about establishing a personal foundation with which I'm familiar (too many people neglect this important initial move) which I intended to move on from once solidified. Hadn't realised that this area is so strangely fraught here, maybe I should have chosen the less controversial area of paeophilia/ritual abuse (joking BTW, I've set out my stall, and will see it through)

[kool maudit]

There are two reasons why "far-right" ideas are being discussed on RI.

1. Because AD posts about them furiously and is always asking us to join the two-minute hate.

and

2. Because the nominal centre-left are in power.

The first is whatever it is, and the second requires a certain promiscuity regarding vectors of dissidence. What I mean by that is the right are more furious about Obama, Hollande etc. than are the mainstream left. A lot of this is noise, but some will be signal. If you oppose such people not because they are left (they aren't, but you knew that) but because they are archons (or their servants /woowoo), you can still find some pearls in the anger of their traditional, current-mold enemies.

If the Republicans, the Front National, UKIP or whatever else take power, it will be useful to dig amongst the leavings of their traditional opposition as well. That, if anyone remembers, was the nature of the Bush era in which RI was born.

Be light and curious. It's only the world.