TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Postby 82_28 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:41 pm

NeonLX » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:26 am wrote:I've got a Jim Hightower quote on a bumper sticker affixed to the rear of my rusty old van:

"Politics isn't left vs right. It's top vs bottom"


What was that "tour for democracy" Hightower did back in the late 90s? It had music and art and speeches. I went to it and it was awesome. Of course when you go to events like that it is only preaching to the choir.
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Postby 82_28 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:45 pm

Oh yeah. Granny D was there too and gave a speech. Ah well.
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Postby Karmamatterz » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:43 pm

Backtoiam, thanks for posting the video. Shit was hilarious and just goes to show the hypocrisy and bully tactics.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:39 am

Karmamatterz » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:43 pm wrote:Backtoiam, thanks for posting the video. Shit was hilarious and just goes to show the hypocrisy and bully tactics.


I agree its good. For those who missed it.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:09 am

backtoiam » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:39 pm wrote:
Karmamatterz » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:43 pm wrote:Backtoiam, thanks for posting the video. Shit was hilarious and just goes to show the hypocrisy and bully tactics.


I agree its good. For those who missed it.



I can't stand right wing fuddy conservative duddy crowder, but Im all about Milo Y lately. Brilliant debater. And unlike anyone on the left these days, funny and charming(sorry Patton Oswalt)
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Postby jakell » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:49 am

I'm not familiar with Crowder, but his role here seems to be as one who is allowed to 'bitch back', his position as a comedian makes this work well. By doing this he creates a space for the other two to properly say stuff and occasionally comment on the mob without getting dragged into brawling

I don't know if this dynamic is that conscious (but I suspect it is), but it works well. As the 'debate' has a loose and flexible format (also deliberate I suspect), the mob's tactic of disrupting it falls a bit flat.. they know how to disrupt and close down a formal debate, but not this.

I liked Christina's comparisons with Sixties' campus politics and how this lot, although they possibly like to think they are carrying the torch onwards, aren't anywhere near worthy. It seems that The Left, having created the platforms of open debate, now want to pick up their ball and take it home.

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Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:16 am

I liked Christina's comparisons with Sixties' campus politics and how this lot, although they possibly like to think they are carrying the torch onwards, aren't anywhere near worthy. It seems that The Left, having created the platforms of open debate, now want to pick up their ball and take it home.


It's entitlement, along with a gigantic dose of irrational thought fueled by victim mentality.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:42 am

I still say they're responding to things that other people in the media made up for them, not from actually interfacing with young human people. But fun exercise as far as fantasy roleplaying goes.

Luther Blissett » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:51 am wrote:Look at what happens when people who are clueless about what young people think and feel and only listen to what they are told by corporate media about "social justice warriors" and "privilege politics" and "safe spaces" think they understand something and actually go out looking for it:

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youngblackandvegan wrote:they have so little respect for the intelligence of this generation

messialien wrote:Disgusting

nerdgasrnz wrote:Fox reporter: What do you think of this blatantly offensive thing?
College students: I don’t appreciate the light-hearted dehumanization of fellow human beings
Fox reporter: lmao listen to this sjw bullshit #lol #kek #triggered
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Postby Cordelia » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:24 am

NeonLX » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:02 pm wrote:An anecdotal observation: My girlfriend has a Latina/Native American background. Yesterday, she came right out and said that Hillary scares her a lot more than Trump does.



I agree with your girlfriend. Not just because Hillary herself is spine-chilling; I think if she's elected, harassment and violence against women will escalate, imho. Either way, if the choice is Trump or Clinton, we're all fucked.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:59 am

Cordelia » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:24 am wrote:
NeonLX » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:02 pm wrote:An anecdotal observation: My girlfriend has a Latina/Native American background. Yesterday, she came right out and said that Hillary scares her a lot more than Trump does.



I agree with your girlfriend. Not just because Hillary herself is spine-chilling; I think if she's elected, harassment and violence against women will escalate, imho. Either way, if the choice is Trump or Clinton, we're all fucked.


Yes we are fucked with either. But none of asked for it just like none of us asked to be born. There is only one dude that is not revolting and we know who that is. I also did not ask to be an American upon Earth. None of this shit was of any of our choice of our own.

how many was to use "of" in one sentence?
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Postby Novem5er » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:23 pm

Trump makes me mad because he says racist, nationalist horseshit that makes me cringe . . . and then he starts saying things that are right up my alley, criticizing the Bush family for 9/11 and their Saudi Arabian ties, and as above, the trauma that free trade has done to American workers.
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Postby brekin » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:03 pm

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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:25 am

ELECTION 2016
Donald Trump’s New Secret Weapon: How the Man Who Ran the 'Torturer’s Lobby' Is Securing the Billionaire’s Nomination
Paul Manafort has represented oligarchs and tyrants. So it makes sense that now he's representing Donald Trump.
By Heather Digby Parton / Salon April 29, 2016


Perhaps one of the most unnerving political developments over these last few days has been the beginning of the reluctant acceptance of Donald Trump among the Republican establishment. Watching the likes of Senator Bob Corker on television praising his “foreign policy” and seeing influential House members like Bill Schuster endorse him is more than a little bit unsettling. It stands to reason that this would happen now that Trump is looking more and more like the winner, but considering just how unpopular Trump is among the political establishment, it’s more likely due to the hard work of his recently hired senior adviser, Paul Manafort.

According to this fascinating, must-read profile by Franklin Foer in Slate, Manafort “is among the most significant political operatives of the past 40 years, and one of the most effective. He has revolutionized lobbying several times over, though he self-consciously refrains from broadcasting his influence.” He’s the most important Republican campaign consultant and lobbyist the general public has never heard of.

Manafort was mentored by Bush family consiglieri James Baker and partnered with the notorious political operative Lee Atwater. He ran Republican campaigns and conventions for decades, including Reagan’s legendary “Morning in America” convention in 1984. Everyone assumed he was hired by Trump to perform the specialized task of suppressing a convention insurgency, which he performed on behalf of Gerald Ford in the 1976 convention. But this man is so much more than that.

He went on to run Reagan’s southern operation in 1980, remembered for its clever racist dogwhistle of opening the campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, famously known as the murder site of three civil rights workers 16 years before. After the campaign, Manafort and Roger Stone (along with another successful GOP operative Charlie Black) then opened their campaign consultant/lobbyist firm, perfecting the dubious business of electing politicians and then lobbying them on behalf of their corporate clients. Trump was one of them, using the firm to help him stave off the threat of Indian gaming. It was an ugly, racist campaign that culminated with Governor George Pataki fining Trump and Stone $250,000 and requiring a public apology.

So Manafort and Trump are a match made in heaven for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which is Manafort’s long association with oligarchs, despots and tyrants all over the world. As much as he’s been a GOP operative, his real business is selling evil men to American politicians and power brokers.

Joe Conason compiled a partial list of his greatest hits at the National Memo:

Manafort first drew public attention during the Reagan era, when he and his lobbying partners represented Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos, a world-class kleptocrat whose theft of enormous amounts from his country’s treasury I helped to expose in The Village Voice more than 30 years ago (with my esteemed colleague William Bastone, who later created The Smoking Gun website). Few official criminals in the 20th century were as audacious and greedy as Marcos and his shoe-fetishist wife Imelda, but when their image cratered after our investigation, Manafort gladly took nearly a million dollars to apply lipstick to those pigs.

Not content with the tainted Marcos lucre, Manafort and company also advocated on behalf of international gangsters such as Mobutu Sese Seko, the kleptocratic dictator known as the “King of Zaire”; Jonas Savimbi, the reputed cannibal and blood-diamond purveyor who tried to seize power in Angola; Said Barre, the authoritarian crook who left the failed state of Somalia to pirates and jihadis; and Ukrainian overlord Victor Yanukovych, the corrupt, Kremlin-backed autocrat thrown out by massive street protests two years ago for fixing a national election.

Foer’s account of the Savimbi lobbying campaign is mind boggling:

On a Friday in 1985, Christopher Lehman left his job at the National Security Council. The following Monday, he was flying with Manafort, his new boss, to the bush of Angola to pitch the Chinese-trained guerilla Jonas Savimbi, who wanted covert assistance from the U.S. to bolster his rebellion against Angola’s Marxist government. Savimbi briefly left a battle against Cuban assault forces and signed a $600,000 contract.

The money bought Savimbi a revised reputation. Despite his client’s Maoist background, Manafort reinvented him as a freedom fighter. He knew all the tricks for manipulating right-wing opinion. Savimbi was sent to a seminar at the American Enterprise Institute, hosted by the anticommunist stalwart Jeanne Kirkpatrick, a reception thrown by the Heritage Foundation, and another confab at Freedom House. (Kirkpatrick introduced Savimbi, who conscripted soldiers, burned enemies, and indiscriminately laid land mines, as a “linguist, philosopher, poet, politician, warrior … one of the few authentic heroes of our time.”)

That was some time ago. But Manafort’s more recent work in Ukraine with Victor Yanukovych and other former soviet bloc oligarchs is no less shocking. His relationship with Yanukovych wasn’t unique — Bernie Sanders’ consultant Tad Devine worked for him too — but Manafort became known as his closest adviser. Indeed, he apparently has an unusual affinity for leaders who are close to Vladimir Putin which may explain why he’s also such a good fit with Putin’s favorite American politician, Donald Trump.

Foer concludes his piece by explaining how Manafort’s special talents will be of use in this coming campaign:

Manafort has spent a career working on behalf of clients that the rest of his fellow lobbyists and strategists have deemed just below their not-so-high moral threshold. Manafort has consistently given his clients a patina of respectability that has allowed them to migrate into the mainstream of opinion, or close enough to the mainstream. He has a particular knack for taking autocrats and presenting them as defenders of democracy. If he could convince the respectable world that thugs like Savimbi and Marcos are friends of America, then why not do the same for Trump?

Donald Trump is a wealthy, proto-fascist demagogue who has hired the man whose firm the Center for Public Integrity once called “The Torturer’s Lobby” to get him to the White House. If anyone can do it Paul Manafort can. It’s his specialty.
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby zangtang » Sun May 01, 2016 10:10 am

fly on the wall of that office would be interestink.....

btw, can any of you fill me in on why (the apparently disgusting) Chris Christie is standing right behind Trump (and making damn sure he's seen there) during
Trumps' much heralded scripted 'foreign policy' speech ?

- did he cave in early to kiss ass & guarantee hisself a plumb job for being an 'early adopter' ?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Project Willow » Sun May 01, 2016 4:32 pm

http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-katie-johnson-lawsuit-accused-rape-teen-girl-sex-slave-documents-pdf/

Lawsuit Accuses Donald Trump of Raping Teen Girl [Documents]
A woman has filed a $100 million lawsuit in California federal court accusing Donald Trump of raping her three times when she was a teenager.

Epstein & Trump joint defendants.
Lawsuit filed from address of foreclosed home.
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