Bernie Sanders running for preznit?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Serious Question: Are you two married to each other?

Lord, the irrational pique of this campaign season. I've called a few family members to advise them to simply get the fuck offline for a few days. That whole Ozymandias routine absolutely fries most people I know. I am fortunate to have spent time doing web design from every angle, mostly because analyzing other people's behavior online taught me, inevitably, that I'm just as dumb. The recursive loops around predetermined conclusions are easy to see from a distance, and perhaps only then. Our search strings will always give us what we're looking for, and that's not a good thing from any angle. The feedback loop of Seeing The Real Pattern is an adrenaline junkie high that burns bridges fast and never ends well.

Let's rap for a minute - as a Vermonter, I don't mind derailing Bernie's thread for a few - there's a hundred and seventy nine billion venues to argue about the frothing, perpetual now that accompanies every campaign spectacle. I just don't think RI needs to be one of them. Especially since all the interesting arguments we have are along very different lines than anything being discussed by Sanders, Clinton, Trump or ... David Freedom? Is that the other guy?

Anyhow.

1. This is a parapolitical forum. This is an unapologetic safe space for people who are -- utterly, permanently -- disengaged from the horseshit production of American politics. There is no problem with that worth bringing up.

2. We are not exactly optimists. There is nothing brave, edgy, or iconoclastic about pointing out what a slaughterhouse nightmare actual life on Planet Earth is, has been, and curse Jehovah himself, will be for some time to come. Indeed, the softest-spoken folks here have stories that could break our heads in half.

With that hick poetry dispensed with, I think all involved have done a good job on cooperative research and constructive conversation in the past two months. I haven't been here, or as involved, as much as I would like.

Unfortunately for us all, obviously, that's starting to change. Cheers!

[backtoiam]

Wombaticus Rex

The recursive loops around predetermined conclusions are easy to see from a distance, and perhaps only then.

Wombaticus Rex
The feedback loop of Seeing The Real Pattern is an adrenaline junkie loop that burns bridges fast and never ends well.

https://youtu.be/BNOQUPmgbnY


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[backtoiam]

Iamwhomiam said:

Scary poor brown people, oh my! And they don't like Donald Trump - and that makes me want to cry!

Honestly btia, you believe such bullshit, I swear. Run and hide! ffs.

Trump deserves your vote.

You're a great news aggregator; it's too bad you can't be more discriminating in what you choose to share, instead of sharing more and more discriminating news.

words for the fucking wise...


https://youtu.be/ev0li6_fFfo

[Iamwhomiam]

[brekin]

Posted on CNN.

A person watches from a window as U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks at a presidential campaign rally in Oakland, California, on Monday, May 30.

[8bitagent]

"Great man" - "failure" - "more direct"

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Yeah. B patient yall.

I have some recent San Jose vids I will post for you later. They are also worth watching and much more violent. This shit is slowly spiraling out of control and for the most part law enforcement is standing back and letting them do it.

Funny that you keyed in on the exact same phrase that I did. Our owners have already shown us THE DIRECTION, what they plan to do about all this. Clearly shown us. Look out the window. I suggest people watch these social justice warrior videos if you have not been watching them. There is our future. This party might be just getting started.

They are giving us a race war plain and simple. America is out of jobs a lonnnggg time ago. Poor people all over the place.

The solution is to ...well...They bombed some brown people in the Middle East and made them hate us. Made them homeless and desperate. They antagonized the Mexicans after they were brought in here too using Trump to do so.

Westerners have also been taught to fear these migrants. So the powers that be have decided to mix all these jobless desperate people together, westerners and migrants, and chuckle while it burns. It seems that simple to me at the moment.


https://youtu.be/7aiaYY6lZ_I

A few years ago some of us were discussing if "the powers that be" wanted to end the "islamic terror threat" and move more into creating race wars in America, or wanted to continue to push the "Islamic terror threat".
Now it seems, they (or the universe) wants to aggressively pursue both. The threat of a 1968 DNC convention chaos and 68 era riots, mixed with 90's era far right violence and modern European jihadist strategy of tension(Paris, Brussels, the recently foiled Berlin plot) is all swirling into a toxic stew. Mixed with a struggling economy, riots over cop shootings of black folks, and all that. As the Trump pro/counter protests become more violent, and both Trump and anti Trump people across social media are saying how they want to bring guns and kill people, I can't imagine how this ends well. Even if Trump was just a "spoiler for Clinton all along".

Did we on RI ever imagine in 2016 we'd have not just the Republican candidate attacking people's ethnicities(long gone are the days of "dog whistles), but strongmen and far right candidates poised to take power from Europe to the Philippines? Vote for the woman who will bring us WW3, or her husband's friend who will bring about a civil war in America. Great choices!

But you hit the nail on the head, the whole thing is a shit storm setup. Create terrorist cartels in Mexico that would turn the country into a war zone and send Mexicans fleeing to America...have Bush and Clinton destabilize Libya and Syria, creating a mass Muslim refugee crisis to Europe....but then bring in far right candidates to use these as political fodder to stir and polarize. Oh and get rid of useful idiots al Qaeda and create "ISIS", jihadis on steroids to draw the world powers into one geographic location(Syria) and wage terrorism across Europe as a new strategy of tension. Sadly, not many seem to see where this is heading or how we got here:(

[8bitagent]

"Great man" - "failure" - "more direct"

o
Yeah. B patient yall.

I have some recent San Jose vids I will post for you later. They are also worth watching and much more violent. This shit is slowly spiraling out of control and for the most part law enforcement is standing back and letting them do it.

Funny that you keyed in on the exact same phrase that I did. Our owners have already shown us THE DIRECTION, what they plan to do about all this. Clearly shown us. Look out the window. I suggest people watch these social justice warrior videos if you have not been watching them. There is our future. This party might be just getting started.

They are giving us a race war plain and simple. America is out of jobs a lonnnggg time ago. Poor people all over the place.

The solution is to ...well...They bombed some brown people in the Middle East and made them hate us. Made them homeless and desperate. They antagonized the Mexicans after they were brought in here too using Trump to do so.

Westerners have also been taught to fear these migrants. So the powers that be have decided to mix all these jobless desperate people together, westerners and migrants, and chuckle while it burns. It seems that simple to me at the moment.


https://youtu.be/7aiaYY6lZ_I

Yes, even if the President is a puppet, figurehead, spokesman, etc. many people look to that person as the face and driver of policy and the overall culture. Many people think the Pres can "just pass a law" to end systemic issues, which obviously ain't the case, but the reality is that appearances control the reality often. Think of high profile racial issues during Obama's term and he, as a black president, could shake his head and give a placating sound bite. Trump invites and stirs up racial, religious, and gender animosity as a candidate. If he gets elected it legitimizes the fairly common held belief that he represents an angry regressive return to "the old ways" with no interest in placating or compromising with those who don't have power.

I never would have imagined as a kid growing up in the 1980's that the goofy billionare always on TV commercials, Oprah, Larry King, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous and all over magazines
would 30 years later transform into a far right bigot nationalist and be a heartbeat away from the White House. It's beyond meta. No doubt Trump has created a large motivated cross section of far right nutjobs than we ever saw in the 1990s, and is creating extreme polarization within the left. Violence will escalate soon. The notion that "Trump isnt a racist, but is pretending to be one to get cheap GOP votes" is irrelevant...more and more he seems to be buying into his modern persona from which he will never escape.

so what's everyones take? All Trump hotels, resorts, golf courses are plummeting 60-75%. He is opening a huge Trump hotel across from the White House in September as almost the ultimate 4chan troll move...but
doesn't Trump know his brand is forever ruined? Especially if he doesn't win? Has he gone insane...and perhaps the ultimate question is:
WHO or what is behind Trump. or is this a very unique case where he is working alone and just got lucky?

Because the man I saw in those tv commercials seems like a far cry from now

[8bitagent]

Alright I looked it up and it's nothing more than right wing sites. One thing I did learn though is that moveon.org is funded by Soros. Something new every day!

The Mexican people in those clips and overall disgust is real. I'm no Mexican but I don't think they are moveon operatives just people that hate Trump of which I count myself alike. I wouldn't throw no eggs or even join a protest like that.

I might though, if he wins and begins breaking up families and building walls. He has to win first, which hopefully won't happen.

"This is all part of a grand script and Trump is the intentional antagonizer of the brown people. You are watching a race war being created by the hidden hand brother. It may get a lot worse too...

This works like a tornado. The NGO organizations are the conduit for the money to fuel these things. After it starts spinning more and more people get caught up in it because they don't really understand where the the misery comes from. You are watching an intentional hate cauldron being built right in front of your eyes..

I repeat. This is not an accident."

can't disagree with that, sadly

[8bitagent]

If you think those people showing their anger were paid to act that way by Soros, I assure you, I am not the one with a problem.

backtoiam, this is a discussion board. We discuss with each other what we post. I have directed my opinions of what you have posted to you in order to engage with you in discussion, something you seem unwilling or unable to do.

That you believe these few protests are tantamount to a Race War is astonishing, but not nearly as much so as your believing the left would seek to instigate such a war, when it is the ubber right that would profit from one, and one in which the left would pay the greatest price.

Yeah I dont buy the "Soros is funding a race war" Glenn Beck Alex Jones babble. I do feel someone is stoking a race war, and my guess it's the right wing oligarchs. I do believe the violence against Trump supporters are genuinely upset Mexicans and not Sanders or even Clinton supporters(tho maybe I'm being naive) Going into California, which is heavily Hispanic, and preaching hate of Mexicans is of course going to stir up people. Trump goes on national tv and literally says the judge exposing his scietology/bernie madoff scam university is doing so because he's of Mexican origin. I predict Trump is going to say stuff that will dwarf anything he's sad before.

I do agree the true left would pay a hefty price

[8bitagent]

Soooo. Back to topic.

What do y'all think if Sanders does indeed take CA? What do you think if he does win and is able to win some stupid function of the superdelegates? Winning CA will definitely wound Clinton. What do you think about Sanders peeling off with Jill Stein say he does not win?

The media will announce Clinton the DNC nom by Tuesday evening regardless. But if he can win California and 3/4 other states, lordy it gives him ample reason to swing dem superdels.
Maybe the FBI indictment is more than Drudge Report fodder. But regardless of what some liberals will say, that "supporting Bernie now is only hurting Clinton's chances against Trump",
never forget...

[tapitsbo]

To all the genuine lefties on this board: wouldn't it strengthen your cause to have Trump win? (Providing a rallying cry as GWB did)

The "Bernie bro" messaging is even more ghastly than the stuff coughed up by the likes of Bill Kristol to his unappreciative Republican audience

[Wombaticus Rex]

To all the genuine lefties on this board: wouldn't it strengthen your cause to have Trump win? (Providing a rallying cry as GWB did)

The "Bernie bro" messaging is even more ghastly than the stuff coughed up by the likes of Bill Kristol to his unappreciative Republican audience

Accelerationist stances are not very popular, among the non-alcoholic Left.

The standard objection is that Accelerationism is an inherently privileged stance; wishing that things would get worse to "wake people up" is generally the pastime of those who are least affected by systemic injustice. Minor cuts in social welfare programs mean nothing to me, but it would mean a great deal to single mothers in my zip code.

Also worth remembering that "heightening the contradictions" is not a very promising approach, based on available research. Cognitive Dissonance doesn't wake people up - it makes them double down.

When Prophecy Fails...

[Luther Blissett]

Most genuine lefties I know seem to be planning the same action no matter which one is President. No one wants either.

[82_28]

Luther, do you think this is a strength or a weakness of the left? I can't tell. Clinton definitely ain't no left and will not support her in no uncertain terms.

The more I think about it we are going into full blown somewhere. . .

Yikes.

[Luther Blissett]

I think it's definitely a strength because what I mean is that people just seem to be planning to organize with labor, around fair housing rights, to fight poverty, on behalf of the environment, and in mutual aid programs.

The only real difference is that some people seem to fear this nebulous idea of local paramilitaries under one over the other. But that's a much more nebulous idea anyway. Lots of work to be done that has nothing to do with the president.