Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Harvey]

Another thing to keep in mind as far as my suspicion of the weapons being stashed and the bouncers were doing their jobs which they possibly were (I have no idea), was this was a club of people scantily clad in a hot city. If bouncers were there it would have been stopped immediately. No bouncers or stashed.

On reflection you've probably identified a huge hole in the official story right here. What is the official explanation of how an assault rifle gets carried into a night club without comment?

[seemslikeadream]

sig sauer mcx


it folds up

more rounds faster

easy to use

doesn't kick much



This Is the Assault Rifle Used by the Orlando Mass Shooter
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... ss-shooter

[Harvey]

sig sauer mcx


it folds up

This Is the Assault Rifle Used by the Orlando Mass Shooter
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... ss-shooter

How small?

[82_28]

Yeah but I couldn't get no pocket knife into a club I've ever experienced with bouncers at the door.

[seemslikeadream]

This Is the Assault Rifle Used by the Orlando Mass Shooter
Developed for US special operations forces, the weapon is known as the "Black Mamba."

MARK FOLLMANJUN. 13, 2016 2:45 PM


The MCX "innovative weapon system." Sig Sauer
Since the Orlando massacre early Sunday morning, pro-gun pundits have come out in force to argue that the weapon used in the attack is not an assault rifle. The gun lobby prefers to call these weapons "modern sporting rifles," euphemistic ammo it can fire in an ongoing semantic debate. But make no mistake: What the Orlando attacker used was a weapon of war. It was designed to kill as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. Witness this harrowing audio captured by a bystander outside the Pulse nightclub in which Omar Mateen fires 24 shots in 9 seconds.

According to a federal law enforcement official, the rifle Mateen used to murder and maim more than 100 people was a Sig Sauer MCX. Mateen legally purchased the weapon, similar to an AR-15, on June 4 in Port St. Lucie, Florida, near where he lived. (He legally purchased a Glock 17 handgun the following day, which he also carried during the attack.)

Sig Sauer promotes the MCX as "a complete weapon system for any scenario or environment."
Sig Sauer bills the MCX as "an innovative weapon system built around a battle-proven core." The company says it "stands as the first rifle to be silenced from the ground up. It also accepts a broad array of accessories, enabling you to build a complete weapon system for any scenario or environment." It has a military-spec trigger and a magazine capacity of 30 rounds. According to the book Guns of Special Forces 2001-2015, the MCX is known in military circles as the "Black Mamba" and was developed at the request of the US Army's special operations forces.

Although the legal civilian version of the gun fires on semi-automatic, it can be highly lethal. Indeed, like many of his recent predecessors, Mateen was able to unleash a devastating barrage of gunfire. The law enforcement official declined to comment on the total number of rounds fired in the attack. But, he said, it was "obviously a lot."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... ss-shooter

[82_28]

Not saying I've tried that because I wouldn't even have one in the first place. Clubs are usually very thorough. Again, I don't know. Just what came to mind and something to think about as this goes on.

[Wombaticus Rex]

What is the official explanation of how an assault rifle gets carried into a night club without comment?

One great part of the neoliberal consensus generator that is Wikipedia is watching the draft on Official Reality get sculpted in real-time.

Currently, the explanation goes a little something like "He walked in through the front door and was immediately engaged by an officer on the scene, who did not fare well."

On June 11, 2016, Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, was hosting Latin Night, a weekly Saturday night event that is primarily patronized by Hispanic clientele. About 320 people were inside the club, which was serving last call drinks at the time.

Arriving at the club by van, Mateen got out and approached the building, armed with a SIG Sauer MCX semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 handgun. An armed security guard, who was an Orlando Police Department (OPD) officer working extra duty in full uniform, engaged Mateen, returning fire at 2:02 a.m. EDT. Mateen was able to enter the building, however, and began shooting patrons. The officer was soon joined by two additional officers who also began engaging Mateen. Mateen then retreated further into the nightclub and began to take patrons hostage.

I feel compelled to point out that two other high-profile mass-murder events that left vividly bloody crime scenes and featured dozens of survivors exiting, not crying in a Shakespearean fashion that true grief connoisseurs would expect, and not Jackson Pollack spackled in blood are Columbine, Bataclan and Mumbai.

Aside from Kliebold's Kampf there, I definitely recall a lot of False Flag rhetoric after Bataclan and Mumbai, which was neither silenced, nor even affected very much, by the subsequent release of fairly horrifying crime scene photos online.

Do I share this link too much?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

What about this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

[seemslikeadream]

How small?

3 feet long not folded up

http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

[Wombaticus Rex]

And about the "bouncers," -- they probably prefer "security" if they're any good -- and the first cop to respond. First a video, then a personal story.

The video, a lot of us know and have discussed before:



The personal story - I know a fellow who actually runs a security company now, a pretty excellent one, too. I also know a lot of feral hick lunatics. Their paths collided one night, around 2004-05, when a friend of mine with grandiose problems opted to walk into a local bar with a nicely articulated AR-15 slung over his shoulder. He did so through the front door, the bouncer recognized him as a regular and let him in with a nod, and my friend spent about 10-15 minutes inside acting like his weapon was no big deal and ordering shots for too many people.

Someone clearly told the young bouncer, because he came downstairs to intervene and ejected Old Boy from the premises. A good call, that. He was never good around both guns and liquor, I would imagine few of us are.

Now, I also got to overhear the doorman in question talk about the incident in some detail, multiple times, as I was only ever at a bar to close it down in those days. Again and again, he said that he would have never thought to look for someone wearing an automatic rifle. He said he thought it was some kind of musical instrument.

Needless to say, that cat is doing security now, and he definitely thinks to look for ... that sort of thing ... in 2016. The moral of the story is, it's important to have rural frontiers because otherwise you'll never be able to train people for the paranoia required by urban life safely. It's easy to make mistakes out in the woods. We're the friendliest crazy people you'll find.

[Harvey]

What is the official explanation of how an assault rifle gets carried into a night club without comment?

One great part of the neoliberal consensus generator that is Wikipedia is watching the draft on Official Reality get sculpted in real-time.

Currently, the explanation goes a little something like "He walked in through the front door and was immediately engaged by an officer on the scene, who did not fare well."

On June 11, 2016, Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, was hosting Latin Night, a weekly Saturday night event that is primarily patronized by Hispanic clientele. About 320 people were inside the club, which was serving last call drinks at the time.

Arriving at the club by van, Mateen got out and approached the building, armed with a SIG Sauer MCX semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 handgun. An armed security guard, who was an Orlando Police Department (OPD) officer working extra duty in full uniform, engaged Mateen, returning fire at 2:02 a.m. EDT. Mateen was able to enter the building, however, and began shooting patrons. The officer was soon joined by two additional officers who also began engaging Mateen. Mateen then retreated further into the nightclub and began to take patrons hostage.

I feel compelled to point out that two other high-profile mass-murder events that left vividly bloody crime scenes and featured dozens of survivors exiting, not crying in a Shakespearean fashion that true grief connoisseurs would expect, and not Jackson Pollack spackled in blood are Columbine, Bataclan and [b]Mumbai[/i].

Aside from Kliebold's Kampf there, I definitely recall a lot of False Flag rhetoric after Bataclan and Mumbai, which was neither silenced, nor even affected very much, by the subsequent release of fairly horrifying crime scene photos online.

Do I share this link too much?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

What about this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

That was a bit unfair but knock yourself out. I'm asking questions from a position of ignorance. I'm not sure if it was your intention to smear me in with BTIA by implication, since I thought I'd already made my feelings clear about 'crisis actor' proponents muddying all our water. Carry on.

[Novem5er]

Funny video. I counted 13 passes, but I was completely distracted by the gorilla waving and then exiting the screen; it messed up my count! The funny thing is that I didn't see the gorilla enter the screen until they replayed it Go figure.

The official story out of Orlando is that a police officer engaged Omar before he entered the club, but that Omar was able to enter the club and go about his grisly task. I don't know if shots were fired as soon as the officer encountered him. I don't know if shots were fired at the door which cleared the way for Omar to enter. We don't really know anything about that. ONE thing that is odd is the lack of CCTV released to the public. Within a day of the Boston Marathon bombing, it seems like the public was scouring photos and CCTV footage from many angles. Albeit that was a highly publicized event on a busy commercial street. Still, either there is basically no exterior footage in this case, the authorities confiscated it all immediately, or something else bizarre.

Unless Omar drove up to the front of the building and stepped out with his weapons, he'd still had to have parked and walked a distance with his weapons. Either nobody noticed at 2am or noticed and, like Wombat's story above, never suspected that to be a semi-automatic rifle over somebody's shoulder in Orlando at 2am.

[Wombaticus Rex]

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That was a bit unfair but knock yourself out. I'm asking questions from a position of ignorance. I'm not sure if it was your intention to smear me in with BTIA by implication, since I thought I'd already made my feelings clear about 'crisis actor' proponents muddying all our water. Carry on.

Addendum wasn't aimed at you at all, I just ramble when I'm stoned.

If anything, it was a belated response to backtoiam's "WHERE IS ALL MY BLOOD, THO?" riffs many pages earlier.

[Harvey]

[If anything, it was a belated response to backtoiam's "WHERE IS ALL MY BLOOD, THO?" riffs many pages earlier.

I know. That's why I got a bit pissy. Scuse me, gotta light another bowl...

[seemslikeadream]

[Harvey]

Also, strange reflection of journalism today, that's the first account I'd read of how the thing began. So sad. By the sound of it, whole thing could've begun and ended at the door.