Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Agent Orange Cooper]

You can see a wound on his hand when he reaches for the microphone.
If he is medicated appropriately then he shouldn't be sedated, not for those types of injuries.
The idea that Angel Colon is not genuine would implicate an awful lot of the hospital staff and be impossible to contain.
And AOC, that last video is from a homophobic idiot, you discredit yourself with that Baloney.

Point me to exactly where in the video you can see such a wound. Because I think you're seeing things.

So multiple gunshot wound patients aren't given pain medication? Perhaps "sedated" was the incorrect term on my part.

It would implicate an awful lot about a LOT of people, not just the hospital staff, don't think I'm not aware of the implications here. "Impossible to contain" is a variation on the same old anti-conspiracy crap we've heard since JFK.

I could give less of a whit about the people who made those videos, I am linking them for the video evidence of Colon in them, nothing more.

[tapitsbo]

I have this dream, stay with me it is applicable to this, I'm in war with all these crisis actor enthusiasts and we get pinned down by the enemy and we are all getting shot and picked off one by one, and as the wounded start calling out that they've been hit, their crisis'd comrades reply in return to all the cries, "I don't believe you."

While I'm convinced that crisis actors may be involved in these events at times, in a more limited capacity, one of the additional pathologies of the crowd you're talking about is their apparent lack of interest in finding potential individuals who might play a role in managing or overseeing these events.

[barracuda]

He says he was "hit in his hand" when the shooter tried to shoot him in the head, so that means possibly that he was glazed by the bullet, it could have been a bullet fragment, the repercussion from the bullet impact force was near his hand and it felt like he got shot, shrapnel from the bullet got lodged in his hand, a bullet from the pistol the shooter used which is a totally different caliber, his finger was what got hit the most, etc. If he didn't get hit in the hand why would he be claiming so and looking down at his hand when he says so? If he was trained and trying to pull a fast one, wouldn't he find a better location to say he got shot, that wouldn't be so noticeable and you visually prominent?

That's a whole lot of possiblys and could have beens for what should be a cut and dry incident report. Either he was shot directly in the hand or he was grazed by shrapnel from a missed shot aimed at his head. Either way, where is the wound on his hand? I want folks to know that I'm trying as hard as I can to avoid the slippery interpretive stuff that the "OMG CRISIS ACTORS" youtube crowd normally engages in and am trying to focus on simple, black and white stuff. Either he was shot (or hit, whatever) in the hand, or not. If he was (as he has claimed over and over), there should be clear evidence of it, even if that evidence were just a bandage wrapped around his hand. He claims to have been cut all over his face, yet there are no visible cuts. Why the discrepancy? Somebody is fibbing, or talking out of their "colon" as it were.

As for "why would he be claiming he got hit in the hand when he obviously didn't?" Well, because they can. We've reached a point where it doesn't matter one bit what people actually claim and how it stacks up against the evidence. If it's said on TV, it's true, nevermind whether or not the story would hold up in court (it wouldn't, and obviously won't have to). He's in a hospital bed! On TV! Clearly he's telling the whole truth and nothing but. Why would they lie? Why, indeed. Probably because on a certain level they WANT people to line up and shout CRISIS ACTOR at the obvious discrepancies, so that the people who are unwilling to accept such a scenario will shout back at them and we can continue this ideological civil war/mind-fuck over fake news stories.

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From here.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

That's good. Thanks for that.

Still don't see a gunshot wound on his hand or arm.

[MacCruiskeen]

That survivors of a massacre would say they "got shot" when they were perhaps only hit by splinters or grazed is not worth obsessing over. They felt pain, were wounded (however slightly) and bled.

That the corporate media would sensationalize this as much as possible ("SHOT SIX TIMES AND SURVIVED!") is also not to be wondered at. It is, after all, what they do. They are in the business of selling readers and viewers to advertisers.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Question: was there a terror drill in Orlando coinciding with the attack on Pulse? I've searched and have yet to find evidence of that occurring, which is strange. Pretty much every attack in recent memory from San Bernardino, Paris, Boston, London going back to 9/11 coincided with a drill. That this one didn't stands out for me.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

There was this in October:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/v ... story.html

Drill prepares emergency nurses for mass casualties

During the Emergency Nurses Association's annual meeting on Friday, a mock shooter blew himself up, killing and injuring 100 local volunteer actors.

There was blood, screams and moans, wounds and dead people – all fake – to create a realistic training environment for more than 40 nurses who had signed up for the exercise.

They quickly began tending to "patients," assessing the extent of their injuries.

The nurses association had worked with several Orlando-based companies for nearly a year to set up the drill on at the Orange County Convention Center, which by coincidence took place a day after the shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Oregon, where 10 people died and seven were wounded.

[Nordic]

Question: was there a terror drill in Orlando coinciding with the attack on Pulse? I've searched and have yet to find evidence of that occurring, which is strange. Pretty much every attack in recent memory from San Bernardino, Paris, Boston, London going back to 9/11 coincided with a drill. That this one didn't stands out for me.

Funny, that was one of my first thoughts when I heard the news.

Also while I haven't drawn any conclusions one way or another about this. A few things seem quite clear:

1. The FBI wanted to push this guy to commit some kind of attack so they could "thwart" it (and keep their funding/job security/fulfill their commitment to scaring people for the PTB)

2. The FBI refused to thwart this when the owners of the gun shop called them about Mateen buying the body armor and guns and ammo. Surely this was not by accident.

3. At the very least the FBI was complicit in instigating this attack, even if (unlikely) by way of massive negligence and incompetence.

4. I don't see anyone talking about this. Journalism is dead. Any journalism with a few brain cells to rub together would be all over this aspect.

5. Oh well! Party on!

(And regarding number 4 -- today is the 3 year anniversary of the fiery murder of Michael Hastings by car-hack)

[stillrobertpaulsen]

I've always thought the purpose of the drills coinciding was to distract from the main event. I'm not finding anything that qualifies with Orlando yet. I feel some shift is occurring - maybe they realize it's too obvious?

Nordic, I think your points about the FBI are spot on. Watching them this morning, the letters CYA kept popping into my head!

[stickdog99]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /86130520/

Included with Monday's partial disclosure of the gunman's communications was a timeline based on Orlando police radio transmissions, which showed that officers from various agencies entered the nightclub and "engaged the shooter'' at 2:08 a.m., six minutes after the initial alert that "multiple shots'' had been fired at the club.

So just 6 minutes after the first shots, Mateen was already up against one armed off-duty cop and 2 more SWAT team members. And he managed to shoot and kill how many people in 6 minutes under those circumstances?

By 2:18 a.m., Orlando police had deployed its full SWAT force, an action that preceded the shooter's three contacts with 911 dispatchers and three separate exchanges with crisis negotiators, lasting a total of 28 minutes.

Between the initial exchange of gunfire with police and the final assault that left the gunman dead — a period of about three hours — there were no reports of gunfire, according to the radio transmissions.

So all the gunfire consisted of firefighting with the police?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

That survivors of a massacre would say they "got shot" when they were perhaps only hit by splinters or grazed is not worth obsessing over. They felt pain, were wounded (however slightly) and bled.

That the corporate media would sensationalize this as much as possible ("SHOT SIX TIMES AND SURVIVED!") is also not to be wondered at. It is, after all, what they do. They are in the business of selling readers and viewers to advertisers.

With 53 non-fatal casualties you'd think the press would be able to find a survivor to interview who, you know, actually got shot by the veritable hellstorm of bullets supposedly fired, and who they don't have to coach into exaggerating his story for the desired effect.

[MacCruiskeen]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/20/fbi-release-orlando-911-transcripts/86130520/

Included with Monday's partial disclosure of the gunman's communications was a timeline based on Orlando police radio transmissions, which showed that officers from various agencies entered the nightclub and "engaged the shooter'' at 2:08 a.m., six minutes after the initial alert that "multiple shots'' had been fired at the club.

So just 6 minutes after the first shots, Mateen was already up against one armed off-duty cop and 2 more SWAT team members. And he managed to shoot and kill how many people in 6 minutes under those circumstances?

By 2:18 a.m., Orlando police had deployed its full SWAT force, an action that preceded the shooter's three contacts with 911 dispatchers and three separate exchanges with crisis negotiators, lasting a total of 28 minutes.

Between the initial exchange of gunfire with police and the final assault that left the gunman dead — a period of about three hours — there were no reports of gunfire, according to the radio transmissions.

So all the gunfire consisted of firefighting with the police?

That is exactly what the article says.

Damn.

So what about all those survivors' reports that the gunman walked around shooting clubgoers at his leisure?

[MacCruiskeen]

Will the autopsy reports ever be released? They would show exactly which bullets came from the (still-unidentfied) shooter's guns and exactly how many deaths were in fact caused by police bullets.

The same applies to the wounded who were treated in hospital. Those doctors, too, can say which kind of bullets they extracted.

[brekin]

That survivors of a massacre would say they "got shot" when they were perhaps only hit by splinters or grazed is not worth obsessing over. They felt pain, were wounded (however slightly) and bled.

That the corporate media would sensationalize this as much as possible ("SHOT SIX TIMES AND SURVIVED!") is also not to be wondered at. It is, after all, what they do. They are in the business of selling readers and viewers to advertisers.

With 53 non-fatal casualties you'd think the press would be able to find a survivor to interview who, you know, actually got shot by the veritable hellstorm of bullets supposedly fired, and who they don't have to coach into exaggerating his story for the desired effect.

So, are you saying the guy in the above video who got shot 6 times, 1 to the hand/finger (which you don't think was good enough for a hand wound), didn't actually get shot and was coached into exaggerating his story?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Did he get shot 6 times or 3 times?