Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[brekin]

Did he get shot 6 times or 3 times?

I don't know, do you think he got shot 6, 3 or 0?

[FourthBase]

Not a TRANSCRIPT!

Words become things.

Here's the thing. I just woke up. I haven't even read the FUCKING "transcript" yet.

But here is my prediction. Either the transcript is a transcript of somebody other than Mateen calling 911 or else Mateen was a player in a shadow government plot who got played or both.

It's the same story every time. If you are even marginally Muslim, the feds seemingly have all the time and the money in world to set you up. If you suffer from some sort of mental illness, you go to the front of the list.

If you can't fathom this by now, your shirt is too brown.

Not so much a "prediction" as a conviction that will be confirmed to you no matter what. If people aren't as unwaveringly pre-convinced as you it doesn't mean they're less able or less willing to fathom depths and it doesn't mean they're fascists. You might just not be right. Not a notion that probably occurs to you much or ever, right?

You know, it's funny how you and your type here alternate between Certainty is Fascist! and Skepticism is Fascist!, depending on whether what we're certain of or skeptical of matches your groupthink enough.

[MacCruiskeen]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/20/fbi-release-orlando-911-transcripts/86130520/

Included with Monday's partial disclosure [ffs] of the gunman's communications was a timeline based on Orlando police radio transmissions, which showed that officers from various agencies entered the nightclub and "engaged the shooter'' at 2:08 a.m., six minutes after the initial alert that "multiple shots'' had been fired at the club.

So have they edited out everything that happened between the initial "shootout" with the cops & guard at the club entrance at 2:08 am and the storming of the club by the SWAT team 3-4 hours later?

The sanctimonious excuse that they "will not transmit the gunman's Islamist propaganda" is just ... no words for this. It would be laughable if it weren't so serious. That it has been accepted without protest (by any journalist anywhere) tells you everything you need to know about the state (and the function) of the corporate media in 2016. And about the state of the nation.


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[Karmamatterz]

That it has been accepted without protest (by any journalist anywhere) tells you everything you need to know about the state (and the function) of the corporate media in 2016. And about the state of the nation.

Oh and you KNOW for a fact that no journalists or groups of media companies are not collaborating to join forces or individually challenge the DOJ or local law enforcement? How is it that you know this for a fact? Or are you just screeching again because of your self-righteous indignation?

Yes, the corporate media in the U.S. is generally pretty lame and are fearful and weak. That's pretty much a given that most on RI already know. Right?

I'm curious if you've bothered to contact 20-30 of the mainstream media companies or even the alternative press to see what efforts they are making behind the scenes? Just because they don't write about it doesn't always mean they are working on it. Not everybody spews their shit out in short form "journalism" even if they are regurgitating press releases and are more stenographer than journalist.

[Grizzly]

FWIW, I'm in full agreement with MacCruisken, on this, as well as the atrocity of San Bernardino. I.E, I think they completely, coldly set up Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, that it was black ops from begining to end... I think they are out right murdering and framing people. It's a sadistic game with them... That is, completely disadvantaged and or stressed out perhaps borderline mentally fragile people. (and really, who isn't these days; our whole culture is on the brink of a psychotic break).

I won't say, it's all Muslim people ( because I think they're capable of doing it to anyone to forward their agenda. But it does benefit them to construct the Muslim enemy. ( at the moment.) It just happens to be brown people. Muslims are the patsy at this time it works to their advantage on sooo, many levels. But make no mistake they'd do it to anyone. Opportunist fucks...

[MacCruiskeen]

Thanks, Grizzly. I appreciate it. I know there are still some decent and rational people on this board and I know you're one of them.

[Novem5er]

I think RigInt was doing pretty good when this tragedy occurred. Within 24 hours, fellow posters discovered Omar's weird father with his visits to congress and the, perhaps, CIA funded television programming hitting the Afghani airwaves. Posters also pointed out Omar's work for G4S, aka wakenhut and the stories of Omar being gay. All this was pretty good internet-detective work in the first 24+ hours.

Sadly, it went right downhill from there. I understand the compulsion to keep digging; to keep finding SOMETHING that makes this weird or worse than it is. Maybe something is there, but mostly we've seen people claiming the much of the violence and victims were fake, we've seen criticism and scrutiny of the witnesses and survivors (as if anyone going through intense trauma is a reliable, objective source), and now this idea that Omar wasn't even the shooter. All of this recent analysis is purely based on people's demands or expectations for specific evidence, reactions, and testimony.

Maybe we are having the wool pulled over our eyes - I mean, that's kind of why RigInt exists I think, to see through stuff. But I'd like to think that actual EVIDENCE should inspire scrutiny before we decide to scrutinize every piece of evidence there is. Key note, we the public are not witness to every form of evidence. Don't you think the Orlando Police took crime photographs? Do the officers not count as eye-witnesses as Omar was shooting at them, when they shot him down and approached his body? Isn't there video surveilence from inside the club that we have not yet been privy too?

As I said in the other thread, there is no far NO public evidence that the shooter was wearing pants, but that should not inspire us to question if he was pantsless.

[Harvey]

Thanks, Grizzly. I appreciate it. I know there are still some decent and rational people on this board and I know you're one of them.

Personally, I suspect Mateen discovered some things in recent months which injected enough energy into his unstable irreconcilable identities to blow him up from the inside and which made him vulnerable to certain kinds of ideas. Instead of looking inward he focussed his animus very precisely and externally. Meanwhile he was probably sending out characteristic signals to those able to recognise them and unfortunately, some of those in his orbit were not only able, but willing to capitalise on his distress. More by design than accident certainly. Meanwhile, sales of guns are up, reflection is scarce, prejudice is directional, north is south and black is white.

Mac, you're among friends, the animus is in the water.

[MacCruiskeen]

JUNE 20, 2016
After Orlando, Democrats and Republicans Clamor for Expanded Police State

National Unity at last, with a terrorized domestic populace, a renewed appetite for the global War on Terror, an increased "defense" budget, further justification for drone killings abroad and blanket surveillance in the Homeland, and a fully gleichgeschaltete corporate media.

Whoever organised "the worst terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11" has come a long way towards achieving Full Spectrum Dominance for the National Security State.

Who would have the means, motive and opportunity to do so? And who would benefit? It can only have been a happily-married suicidal gay ISIS-loving Afghan-American security guard (29), operating entirely on his own and abandoning his tiny son without a qualm. (Muslims are like that.)

Luckily, the FBI and the CIA are entirely trustworthy organisations and would never entrap or deceive or murder anyone, least of all a Muslim, no matter how much they stood to gain from it. If history has taught us anything, it's surely taught us that.

[Burnt Hill]

FWIW, I'm in full agreement with MacCruisken, on this, as well as the atrocity of San Bernardino. I.E, I think they completely, coldly set up Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, that it was black ops from begining to end... I think they are out right murdering and framing people. It's a sadistic game with them... That is, completely disadvantaged and or stressed out perhaps borderline mentally fragile people. (and really, who isn't these days; our whole culture is on the brink of a psychotic break).

I won't say, it's all Muslim people ( because I think they're capable of doing it to anyone to forward their agenda. But it does benefit them to construct the Muslim enemy. ( at the moment.) It just happens to be brown people. Muslims are the patsy at this time it works to their advantage on sooo, many levels. But make no mistake they'd do it to anyone. Opportunist fucks...

I largely agree with this too. I just cant find a way to believe Mateen was not criminally involved.

[divideandconquer]

There was supposedly a active shooter, mass casualty drill at Orlando Regional Medical Center three months ago according to this mainstream newscast. However, Aside from a reddit thread, this is all I could find regarding this so-called drill.

[Harvey]

I largely agree with this too. I just cant find a way to believe Mateen was not criminally involved.

Why should rejecting the entire premise of MSM coverage, which became "ISIS" or "Muslim" also entail the exoneration of Mateen? There's no earthly reason why the one requires the other.

Except in tribal law "you're either with us or against us."

Just reject the premise and move on to a more fruitful avenue of enquiry.

[Burnt Hill]

There was supposedly a active shooter, mass casualty drill at Orlando Regional Medical Center three months ago according to this mainstream newscast. However, Aside from a reddit thread, this is all I could find regarding this so-called drill.

Hospitals routinely hold these drills . with various levels of improvised "reality".
I've been involved in a few myself - in very rural hospitals.
What is the significance in this case?

[Burnt Hill]

I largely agree with this too. I just cant find a way to believe Mateen was not criminally involved.

Why should rejecting the entire premise of MSM coverage, which became "ISIS" or "Muslim" also entail the exoneration of Mateen? There's no earthly reason why the one requires the other.

Except in tribal law "you're either with us or against us."

Just reject the premise and move on to a more fruitful avenue of enquiry.

[Nordic]

I largely agree with this too. I just cant find a way to believe Mateen was not criminally involved.

Why should rejecting the entire premise of MSM coverage, which became "ISIS" or "Muslim" also entail the exoneration of Mateen? There's no earthly reason why the one requires the other.

Except in tribal law "you're either with us or against us."

Just reject the premise and move on to a more fruitful avenue of enquiry.

This makes no sense. Why be selective about what liars told us? If they deliberately lie about one aspect of the event, then all aspects of their story are suspect!

Listen, being suspicious about the story does not mean that we believe the opposite!

Show me where Mac has claimed that he KNOWS Mateen didn't do it. All he's asking for (and his manner is rather off putting and overly confrontational I admit) is evidence to show why we SHOULD believe the story fed to us by the authorities.

We need a rule here that you throw your binary polarity thinking style out the window when you come in here. Leave it at the door! The social conditioning sure seems to be working because I don't remember this being a place where I heard so much of "well if you don't believe that IT CLEARLY MEANS you believe the exact opposite."

This isn't Facebook. Yet. I hope.

Someone tell me why we should believe ANY ASPECT of the story fed to us. Other than somebody shot a bunch of people in a crowded nightclub in Orlando?

All I've been able to conclude this far is that the FBI seems to have somehow been involved (again) and that a major investigation is warranted into their involvement. But that of course will never happen.