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Rigorous Intuition shop open

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:58 pm

I've had a few requests for this, so while juggling children the past few days I've opened a cafe press shop:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cafepress.com/rigint" target="top">www.cafepress.com/rigint</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rigorous Intuition shop open

Postby AnnaLivia » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:50 pm

Dear Santa, Even if it was more by accident than design, i wasn't very naughty this year, so could you please consider the cap sleeve tee for me? thanks. your fan cindy lou who<br><br>darn good juggling act, that. great job, jeff. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rigorous Intuition shop open

Postby Project Willow » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:37 am

Dear Santa indeed, lol, that's awesome stuff. I want the hoodie.<br><br>Babies are expensive. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=projectwillow@rigorousintuition>Project Willow</A> at: 9/12/05 12:44 am<br></i>
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I'm hoping for

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:57 pm

....apparel with the whole area covered with your collage, and across it printed the theme, "What you don't know can't hurt them. Yes, yes, yes. Pretty please? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I'm hoping for

Postby Project Willow » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:12 pm

I could wear one of the caps with my "Stop Ritual Abuse-Torture" t-shirt and really get some looks.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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does anyone else find the idea of an 'RI Shop' wrong?

Postby Sokolova » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:10 am

I don't want this to be just another packaged bloody pseudo-movement that can be slapped on a teeshirt and thus nullified. No one should be making money out of this frankly.<br>Sorry, I'm off out of here.<br><br>Ellie <p></p><i></i>
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RI shop

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:19 pm

Ellie,<br><br>While I understand your point of view, I would hope that you would not quit posting altogether on RI. I'm sure that everyone values your posts and your efforts to strengthen the "rigor" in RI.<br><br>Pam <p></p><i></i>
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Sokolova. Somebody asked for it

Postby DrDebugDU » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:33 pm

Just take a look at the parlor. So it wasn't Jeff's idea.<br><br>The T-Shirt is irrelevant. Personally I only have single color T-Shirt. So today I wear black and yesterday I wore red. That's my idea of style as well LOL <p></p><i></i>
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update from Cafe Press

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:34 pm

Just learned they've suspended use of the Cheney image pending review. I imagine it's because of the swastika. If so, that's not something I'll contend. As I said in a comment on the blog, I was conflicted about it myself. <p></p><i></i>
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earning is highly moral

Postby AnnaLivia » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:31 pm

As another who would certainly miss Ellie’s thoughtful contributions if she left, I still must offer this very different view on the new RI shop:<br><br>If there is a concern about making money off the unfortunate experiences of others, I am happy for that to be discussed, but in this case I think I see the money being made, being used for something advantageous to those who were hurt. Namely, a site that increases awareness of their hurts, and offers support to those hurt, stays online. The site owner cannot keep it online if he must do other work that eats the time he needs for this work. To me, as long as jeff keeps the site up, he can sell shirts and it is an example of money completing its cycle. It looks like useful money to me.<br><br>And then there’s this:<br><br>It is our duty not to be poor, as much as it is our duty not to be rich. The greatest contribution I could make to the future is to have passed on this over-arching nugget of truth, and to have been one who helped it become “ingrained” in human thought. People can no longer, in this age of “advanced” weaponry, and high-speed communication and transportation (the threats move faster now) (but so does education which is why we will win), afford to accept being poor. To accept being poor is to help ensure others will be poor…that there will always be poor others…(not to mention ensuring yourself far more misery than was intended for you). You don’t have to take a vow of poverty to save the world. In fact, if you do, you’re hurting and not helping. To save the world, you need to pursue wealth and power…meaning you must insist on finally having your fair share of wealth and power (no less/no more). You must insist that everyone who contributes, gets equitable re-numeration for their sacrifices made in contributing. These sacrifices are the time they spent and the level of their effort. These are the correct things by which to measure just compensation.<br><br>Currently, the amount we can possibly contribute is limited (and will always be limited because the limit is applied by nature), while the re-numeration one can legally receive, is not. This is the fatal imbalance that turned capitalism into corporate feudalism. We need mechanisms that constantly re-correct for the “invisible” drift of earnings from earners to non-earners, but these mechanisms are prevented by those few with the power to do the preventing, who cannot see what true price they are paying for this injustice…yet.<br><br>About capitalism: if a drunk runs a car off the road, do we blame the car or the drunkdriver? I am not convinced that capitalism is not just a good workhorse, worked badly. <br><br>Jeff is right to work and earn. If jeff doesn’t do that, I have to take care of jeff. Self-earned money is very very good. Self-earned money deprives no one else of their right to their own earnings. Money is shelter, food, clean water, education, healthcare, clothing…money is all your needs and most of your wants. It is precisely because having money is so very good, that not having money is so very bad.<br><br>I can’t see a problem with jeff earning a living off his efforts. In my opinion, jeff is good at what he does and what he does contributes to society.<br><br>Note: you do realize I’m using jeff as an example here, right? We’re all the “jeffs”.<br><br>What jeff must realize is that there is a trade-off point. There is a point he might cross where he is receiving more than his share…more than he can have contributed…and at that point the unfair share is coming from someone who isn’t getting all that they earned. and tomorrow, jeff and that person may find they have traded places. <br><br>No matter how good what jeff is contributing is, there is a point…the point of overpaying jeff…that turns it into an actual detriment. There is a point where Jeff must realize that having the wealth that someone else earned in his pocket, does the opposite of serve his own best interests, because it makes him a target of never-ending attack by those he took from. What does jeff want most? To live in peace and safety and happiness, or to pile up a heap of wealth to use to defend himself from the surely-coming attacks?<br><br>Jeff must be savvy enough to realize that the system which gave one person the earnings of another, must be sanely regulated to bring it back closer to justice IN ORDER FOR HE, HIMSELF, TO HAVE MAXIMUM HAPPINESS. (screw the altruism for its unecessariness. We are talking about sane self-interest here. It’s as simple as you can’t have a safest, happiest life while you deprive the others you live with of theirs.)<br><br>No system that humans create will ever be perfect. Our systems need constant tweaking, as flaws are revealed. Flaws are revealed because humans do not always adhere to their abundant noble qualities, and will always have failures of integrity and character. Any system people can create, people can get around. (if only the ruthless were also inept!) Therefore, giving humans temptation to get billions of times out of the system what they contributed, seems diabolically stupid, does it not? Until we stop dangling the carrot, we cannot expect them to stop going after it.<br><br>In short, when jeff has reached the point of profit from these shirts where he is taking more from society than he is giving to it, then we should by all means tax jeff the difference to bring the system back into alignment with justice….for jeff’s own good.<br><br>We think we are loving a paul mccartney by heaping great wealth upon him. All we are REALLY doing is giving him a sadder and more dangerous society in which to live. We must find another way to adore paul, if we really adore paul.<br><br>Back to the shirts; personally, I don’t wear many shirts with graphics on them (a simple matter of my “tastes”), so I chose the one with just the words. I am always gauging things by my yardstick “how does this help us towards peace and happiness”, and yes, I find it helpful to chuck that little idea into the heads of anyone who might notice the slogan: “what you don’t know can’t hurt them”.<br><br>Awareness is on the rise, if you ask me. that’s a beautiful beast I’ll feed any day.<br><br>The ONE reservation I do have, is that nagging voice that says “we’re over-consumptive as it is. Is this just more of that?”<br><br>So, because of my personal convictions, I’ll wait until I need a shirt, not just want. Then I’ll buy jeff’s.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks for the thoughtful post, AnnaLivia.

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:05 pm

As has been said, I created the shop only because I received a number of requests for it. Though I joked on the blog about needing to feed hungry mouths - <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>de rigeur</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Dylan reference - it's certainly not a money-making venture. If I see any commission from sales it's undoubtedly going to be very small change. And that's fine. I meant it to be nothing more than a labour of love for this community, just like the creation and maintanance of this discussion board.<br><br>I've already expressed my own ambivalance towards the shop, so I can understand where Ellie's coming from. Though I hope she comes back here.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Take what you need and leave the rest.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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I was one of them...

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:07 pm

I was one of those pleading that Jeff give us a way to display our sense of community. I LOVE it. It doesn't have to be your way or no way. If you don't like it Ellie, don't buy it, but thank Jeff for not charging to be able to post to this site. This site is worth its weight in gold. BTW, now much does this site weigh? <p></p><i></i>
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I was one of them too....

Postby sw » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:46 pm

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