More from Cleve Backster.

[slimmouse]

<br> Having been introduced to the the work of Cleve Backster last week, I decided to try and confirm/ seek more via another spot.<br><br> I found what is, it seems an interview with the man, from about 8 years ago.<br><br> I think for all the regular RI'ers, this might be a pertinent quote ; <br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We in the United States are holdouts, but that will not last much longer. We cannot forever deny that which is so clearly there.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> And his thoughts on Consciousness ;<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think western science overexaggerates the role of the brain in consciousness. Consciousness could exist on an entirely different level, on the etheric level, for example. Some very good research has been done on remote viewing, that is, describing conditions at a distant location. More good research has been done on survival after bodily death. All of it points toward the notion that consciousness need not specifically be correlated with gray matter. That is another straitjacket we need to rid ourselves of.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Etheric huh ? Proof Cleve ;<br><br> I used to hook up a plant, then take a walk with a randomized timer in my pocket. When the timer went off, I'd return home. The plant always responded the moment I turned around, no matter the distance. And the signal from Phoenix was just as strong as if Brian O'Leary were in the next room. I feel comfortable in saying distance doesn't denigrate the signal. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Also, we've attempted to screen the signal using lead-lined containers, and other materials, but we've found we can't screen it out.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> This makes me think the signal doesn't actually go from here to there, but instead is manifesting in different places, not having to travel to be there. <br><br><br> Full article ;<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html">www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> So much for official western "science". Where did I see that before ? Ah yes, History, and religion <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[revelation]

The idea that consciousness might not be simply a causal function of the brain isn't really that new to western philosophy. Check out Thomas Nagel. Since the seventies he's been writing about 'epiphenomenalism'; the idea that consciousness is pervasive, and is only able to manifest itself substantively within uber-complex systems (like the brain). He has two classic essays you might like, 'What is it like to be a Bat?', and one on the split-brain experiments (can't remember the title right now). <p></p><i></i>