7/7 Dallas Shooting

[Elihu]

contrasting the tv/politics/police story against "the" video is pointless. the moral of the story now, at this moment in time, is piles of flowers and outpourings of love for heroes.... and the subtle corollary of that. pre planned or not the effect is the same. imo.

[0_0]

I'm just amazed at how brazenly they make up a false narrative. And how easy it apparently is. I kinda knew they did but it's confronting to see another example. (I mean the Dallas shooting, not the challenger hoaxtheory btw which is very dubious at best). And i'm befuddled, flummoxed & flabbergasted by the JFK parallels!

[Novem5er]

I didn't mean to say you were. You did, however, challenge us to provide evidence to disprove the non-evidentiary basis of the authorities' stories, which seemed to suggest you took gave their stories, with no evidence, more benefit of the doubt than anyone's legitimate distrust.

Which sounded a lot of typical FB posts of people who enjoy believing the authorities' stories "where's your proof??!!"

Thanks for pointing out your lack of insisting that you were right. I appreciate that.

Your use of strawman arguments to support your case - that if the authorities are lying that it's some massive far-reaching conspiracy using super-agents and total complicity in the part of the entire police force and the "press", though, is reminiscent of FB type arguing.

Really all they needed was one damaged and controlled gunman with one or 2 other secret real shooters (guys who didn't flunk out of marksmanship training) to pull it off. Then at the right time the Feds enter the fray, pull rank on the locals and end of story. "Homeland Security".

Have they finally settled on the part of the story that describes what kind of gun he used? SKS or AR? Or do we need to wait for the autopsy reports to see what killed the cops first, and then "figure it out"?

My brain is having a serious disconnect. I don't understand why one argument (lone crazy gunman) has any less evidence than any other argument (mind controlled shooter with multiple assistants)? I literally don't get how I need evidence to back up one claim, but nobody else needs evidence to back up their own suggestions. As I pointed out in my above post (and you acknowledged, thank you) is that I've left open the possibility for multiple shooters or other things. I just said the evidence was pretty weak for it.

I've never insisted that there had to be a grand conspiracy. I was asked by another poster what my definition of a grand conspiracy was, so I defined it and explained why I thought a grand conspiracy was unlikely. In past posts, Nordic, I acknowledged that a single mind-controlled shooter was possible and would involve very few people. There's no evidence for it, but there wouldn't be if they were good at their game.

It seems here, though, that if anyone accepts anything the media or authorities say as a given, that we are just Facebook pleebs. Maybe there WAS no shooting in Dallas and all those murdered cops were just crisis actors. Maybe Chief Brown is a hologram. And maybe the video of the shooter gunning down a cop was a J.J. Abrams production. I think we'd have to agree that we have to accept some of the information that we are given, otherwise we would literally not have any story to even debate. So where do we draw the line? 50/50 acceptance/disbelief? 20/80?

Here is a serious question to the forum: is this board a place of discussion and analysis? Or is it just conspiri-tainment?

Serious discussion is a back and forth process with cynics, critics, and devil's advocates. Conspiri-tainment is a circle jerk of head-nodding and back-patting.

[stefano]

I haven't been following this terribly closely but is the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word) based on:

1. the fact that Brown said "garage" on the Friday morning in the conference before Johnson was killed, then no one corrected that officially over the weekend (although the college pointed out that the shooting had happened in its building), until the Monday when Brown said he'd misspoken

2. Very early reports of multiple shooters

? Is there anything else?

[seemslikeadream]

this board is a whole lot of things....that's the way it is

and I like it

[MacCruiskeen]

I haven't been following this terribly closely but is the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word) based on:

1. the fact that Brown said "garage" on the Friday morning in the conference before Johnson was killed, then no one corrected that officially over the weekend (although the college pointed out that the shooting had happened in its building), until the Monday when Brown said he'd misspoken

2. Very early reports of multiple shooters

? Is there anything else?

The bolded part is believable, but why enter a thread that has been following it closely just to say that? I mean, you could instead just follow it closely.

the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word)

There are better words, much better ones and readily available too. E.g. "analysis and rebuttal of an official account".

The term 'conspiracy theory' is a thoughtstopper and nothing more. Jamey Hecht nailed it years ago:

"THE TERM ‘CONSPIRACY THEORY’

This phrase is among the tireless workhorses of establishment discourse. Without it, disinformation would be much harder than it is. “Conspiracy theory” is a trigger phrase, saturated with intellectual contempt and deeply anti-intellectual resentment. It makes little sense on its own, and while it’s a priceless tool of propaganda, it is worse than useless as an explanatory category."

http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/JameyHecht.htm

It is no more possible to use that cant term innocently than it is to speak innocently of 'the Jewish problem' or 'political correctness' or 'family values' or 'the terrorist threat' or 'the shiftlessness of the working classes'. Words are weapons, among much else.

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/10/crea ... ublic.html

Summary:

First there were "four snipers", then "at least two snipers, triangulating" from "elevated" "perches" / meanwhile no official mention whatsoever of the single shooter filmed firing off dozens of rounds on the street and killing at least one cop at point-blank range / no mention of the fact that the police had known by no later than 9pm that that same shooter had retreated into El Centro,/ a college corridor described repeatedly as a parking garage / two completely different rifles named by "authorities" / still no account whatsoever of where the alleged shooter was "holed up" during the "standoff" (except now we're told it was somewhere on the second floor of the college as opposed to in amongst a big bunch of parked cars) / first-ever use of a drone robot to kill a US citizen on US soil, etc., etc., etc.

Don't mention it. And if you're looking for more detail and numerous links to the available evidence, then you might start by reading this here very thread, where you can also follow the now-longrunning serial "My Struggle", by Novem5er.

[MacCruiskeen]

Why the belated retraction of this "parking garage" yarn represents a real problem for the police and the media:

I was in a big parking garage in the city centre a couple of days ago: I was on the fourth floor and I walked over to the outer wall and looked down at the main street on the long side of the building and then (about fifty yards away at a right angle), the side street on the short side, and I thought: "Yes, a lone gunman could create a lot of confusion and panic here, especially at nightfall. Stand at this nearly-chest-high wall, fire off a few rounds into the street below, duck down behind the wall and run twenty yards, jump up and fire off a few more rounds, duck and hide again, run another thirty yards and fire down into the side street, run back ducking and diving, and keep running to-and-fro and firing your rifle from different positions, and you could quite easily -- at least for a while -- make people think you were multiple shooters despite only being one."

How does that work if you're alone at a classroom window?

[MacCruiskeen]

A Parking Garage


A classroom window

[Burnt Hill]

As officials sift through eyewitness accounts, body-camera pictures, and video footage from nearby businesses to piece together what happened, they won’t get much help from the college’s security cameras.

Those cameras "went down when the college website crashed, overloaded by the volume of hits the website received," a college-district spokeswoman, Ann Hatch, wrote in an email. Campus officials did not respond to questions about how that could happen.

http://chronicle.com/article/How-the-Shooting-in-Dallas/237103

[DrEvil]

^^If the cameras were connected to and controlled through the same server as the website then it is possible that the the traffic overload crashed the server with both the website and cameras.

[Burnt Hill]

^^If the cameras were connected to and controlled through the same server as the website then it is possible that the the traffic overload crashed the server with both the website and cameras.

That may well be the case.
Those of you that are internet server savvy can dissect this.
They did mention the possibility that the robot bomb may have caused it though.
And on its face it raises a little red flag.
The Bank should have plenty of pertinent footage, we will see.

[MacCruiskeen]

"He was secreted behind a brick corner," [Chief Brown] said, "and the only way to get a sniper shot to end his trying to kill us would be to expose officers to grave danger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/10/polit ... index.html

"A brick corner". Easier to imagine that in a parking garage than in a classroom or a college corridor. No wonder they're still saying nothing about the exact location of that truly historic "standoff" a full week after the shootings.

The school's now been shut down for a week.

The school's website was also shut down (starting yesterday, I think).

And the security cameras?

As officials sift through eyewitness accounts, body-camera pictures, and video footage from nearby businesses to piece together what happened, they won’t get much help from the college’s security cameras.

Those cameras "went down when the college website crashed, overloaded by the volume of hits the website received," a college-district spokeswoman, Ann Hatch, wrote in an email. Campus officials did not respond to questions about how that could happen.

http://chronicle.com/article/How-the-Sh ... las/237103

Maybe students and staff will eventually return to find that a spanking-new "brick corner" has appeared on the second floor of their school.

They did mention the possibility that the robot bomb may have caused [the malfunctioning of security cameras] though.

Were that the case, those cameras would have captured everything that happened before the robot bomb went off.

[Luther Blissett]

I haven't been following this terribly closely but is the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word) based on:

1. the fact that Brown said "garage" on the Friday morning in the conference before Johnson was killed, then no one corrected that officially over the weekend (although the college pointed out that the shooting had happened in its building), until the Monday when Brown said he'd misspoken

2. Very early reports of multiple shooters

? Is there anything else?

The bolded part is believable, but why enter a thread that has been following it closely just to say that? I mean, you could instead just follow it closely.

the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word)

There are better words, much better ones and readily available too. E.g. "analysis and rebuttal of an official account".

The term 'conspiracy theory' is a thoughtstopper and nothing more. Jamey Hecht nailed it years ago:

"THE TERM ‘CONSPIRACY THEORY’

This phrase is among the tireless workhorses of establishment discourse. Without it, disinformation would be much harder than it is. “Conspiracy theory” is a trigger phrase, saturated with intellectual contempt and deeply anti-intellectual resentment. It makes little sense on its own, and while it’s a priceless tool of propaganda, it is worse than useless as an explanatory category."

http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/JameyHecht.htm

It is no more possible to use that cant term innocently than it is to speak innocently of 'the Jewish problem' or 'political correctness' or 'family values' or 'the terrorist threat' or 'the shiftlessness of the working classes'. Words are weapons, among much else.

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/10/crea ... ublic.html

Summary:

First there were "four snipers", then "at least two snipers, triangulating" from "elevated" "perches" / meanwhile no official mention whatsoever of the single shooter filmed firing off dozens of rounds on the street and killing at least one cop at point-blank range / no mention of the fact that the police had known by no later than 9pm that that same shooter had retreated into El Centro,/ a college corridor described repeatedly as a parking garage / two completely different rifles named by "authorities" / still no account whatsoever of where the alleged shooter was "holed up" during the "standoff" (except now we're told it was somewhere on the second floor of the college as opposed to in amongst a big bunch of parked cars) / first-ever use of a drone robot to kill a US citizen on US soil, etc., etc., etc.

Don't mention it. And if you're looking for more detail and numerous links to the available evidence, then you might start by reading this here very thread, where you can also follow the now-longrunning serial "My Struggle", by Novem5er.

• Did the negotiator die? Are they still alive?
• Who shot the two protestors? The media and police imply it was Johnson, but that seems unlikely
• When did Johnson work for General Dynamics, what did he do there, who was his manager, what do coworkers from that time say about him?

[Luther Blissett]

How does the "top" its way down to that level in your fantasy version?

Like Dallas. Somebody powerful planned that in my opinion and it was not run of the mill BLM members. Mckesson hangs out with an elite crowd and probably the sort of people that would pull a stunt like that. Its a shame it happened at a BLM protest because the masses at large that have no clue what is really going on watch tv and will associate it with BLM even though BLM protestors were as shocked as everybody else. I have no idea if Mckesson had foreknowledge but considering who he hangs with, the Aspen crowd, it wouldn't surprise me. Regardless in the minds of a lot of people that don't know better to some degree the BLM brand will be associated with it unfortunately.

edited to add

When things like this happen its not just bad for black BLM members it also bad for white people because it ratchets up the "strategy of tension" and everybody loses. And that is goal of the tension makers.

But then why continuously vilify Black Lives Matter if there are the organizers and activists on one side and billionaire exploiters on another? You said "BLM pretends to be a little poor grass roots organic organization that simply sprang up on its own power and that is far from the truth" even though that's a perfect lie.

[MacCruiskeen]

• Did the negotiator die? Are they still alive?
• Who shot the two protestors? The media and police imply it was Johnson, but that seems unlikely
• When did Johnson work for General Dynamics, what did he do there, who was his manager, what do coworkers from that time say about him?

All good questions, Luther. I can't answer any of them.

I am beginning to suspect that ALL of the shooting was done by that single gunman filmed on the street, and that he had finished shooting by about 9:05 pm. Did he fire at all after entering the school and running upstairs? Did he ever fire a weapon from any "elevated position" at all? Note that Dallas Police Chief Brown has already said that twelve (in figures:12) police officers fired their guns. Cacophony and confusion.

PS Brown himself does not give the impression of being a complete bastard or a shameless liar. It's important to remember at least two things: 1) Brown himself was not present at the "stand-off". 2) The FBI will be in overall charge of this cover-up "investigation".

It's perfectly possible, and indeed likely, that "Chief" Brown himself is being fed a yarn and forced to regurgitate it to the public.