Let's talk Turkey

[backtoiam]

Nordic, you are the one who did start that crisis actor thread awhile back.

What does that have to do with this? Nada. These people are clearly reacting to a very loud noise, together, reflexively. For anyone to think that this is "choreographed" is one of the stupidest things ever.

And my thread about "crisis actors" was to rigorously dive into the possibility of them existing, not to point at EVERY SINGLE VICTIM OF A TRAGEDY and scream "CRISIS ACTOR!" which has turned into some sort of brain-dead FAD in the US these days.

I could accidentally back my car into a parking meter these days in a crowded city street and thousands of people would start screaming "FALSE FLAG ATTACK"!

It's out of control.

Lets not be so hasty. Remember The Amazing Hat Boy With The Magic Blood Repellant Aura around his body that was at the Pulse club?

He says:

He crawled among dozens of bloody bodies in an effort to escape the carnage. He said blood was spraying and splattering everywhere. He said that he plugged a bullet hole in a guys back with his bandana before he boogied out of the club. He said he still had his drink in hand when he got outside. He was on video helping carry out gun shot victims without a drop of blood on him or the gunshot victims. In that video he did not have even ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ON HIM. If we took all RI members and put them through the same drill how many of us would emerge blood free? None of us that is how many. None of us. Not possible.

Only The Amazing Hat Boy With The Blood Repellant Aura could pull that off. Food for thought....Hatboy is a question that needs to be answered and I use him because that is the most ridiculous hero story I have seen among all these events. And he got a "lot of airtime in the media."

Why didn't a journalist ask The Amazing Blood Repellant Hat Boy if this was a genetic gift or a fucking impossibility? He either has a blood repellant aura or he is a bold face fucking liar. I saw three (sic) witnesses that said there was so much blood you could "smell it in the air" and it was thick. I didn't see none of it.

[0_0]

Now you're not talking about people ducking in unison but something else.

Changing the subject completely.

But I'm not.. Would people go out in the street booing the military after shots were fired? Would the miltary allow themselves to be talked out of their tanks? Are those the kind of scenes you'd expect to see in a real coup? Anyho, you can think i'm stupid and i can think this alleged coup looked phoney.

[tapitsbo]

If the mitary had been tricked into thinking they'd have more collaborators, it's plausible. I doubt the executions and other shenanigans to come will be phoney.

[Nordic]

Now you're not talking about people ducking in unison but something else.

Changing the subject completely.

But I'm not.. Would people go out in the street booing the military after shots were fired? Would the miltary allow themselves to be talked out of their tanks? Are those the kind of scenes you'd expect to see in a real coup? Anyho, you can think i'm stupid and i can think this alleged coup looked phoney.

THATS NOT EVEN WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT YOU #%£€%%!!!

I'm talking about the video you posted of a mass of people ducking because there was an EXTREMELY LOUD NOISE and you idiotically suggesting that it was CHOREOGRAPHED!!!

See, now my calling that out as idiotic "means" to your perfectly bisected brain that I believe everything the news media feeds me!! That's binary thinking of the first order! Why are humans suddenly operating on the base2 machine language when we have 10 fingers and 10 toes?

Why can you not even SEE that is what you are doing!

"Nordic doesn't believe all the people ducking in unison is a choreographed mass of crisis actors so he clearly believes everything he sees ion CNN is 100% real!"

WTF is wrong with you?

[Nordic]

Nordic, you are the one who did start that crisis actor thread awhile back.

What does that have to do with this? Nada. These people are clearly reacting to a very loud noise, together, reflexively. For anyone to think that this is "choreographed" is one of the stupidest things ever.

And my thread about "crisis actors" was to rigorously dive into the possibility of them existing, not to point at EVERY SINGLE VICTIM OF A TRAGEDY and scream "CRISIS ACTOR!" which has turned into some sort of brain-dead FAD in the US these days.

I could accidentally back my car into a parking meter these days in a crowded city street and thousands of people would start screaming "FALSE FLAG ATTACK"!

It's out of control.

Lets not be so hasty. Remember The Amazing Hat Boy With The Magic Blood Repellant Aura around his body that was at the Pulse club?

He says:

He crawled among dozens of bloody bodies in an effort to escape the carnage. He said blood was spraying and splattering everywhere. He said that he plugged a bullet hole in a guys back with his bandana before he boogied out of the club. He said he still had his drink in hand when he got outside. He was on video helping carry out gun shot victims without a drop of blood on him or the gunshot victims. In that video he did not have even ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ON HIM. If we took all RI members and put them through the same drill how many of us would emerge blood free? None of us that is how many. None of us. Not possible.

Only The Amazing Hat Boy With The Blood Repellant Aura could pull that off. Food for thought....Hatboy is a question that needs to be answered and I use him because that is the most ridiculous hero story I have seen among all these events. And he got a "lot of airtime in the media."

Why didn't a journalist ask The Amazing Blood Repellant Hat Boy if this was a genetic gift or a fucking impossibility? He either has a blood repellant aura or he is a bold face fucking liar. I saw three (sic) witnesses that said there was so much blood you could "smell it in the air" and it was thick. I didn't see none of it.

Take that shit to the appropriate thread. Don't pollute this one with your idiocy here. You're the worst example of this. In many ways the ONLY clear example of this idiotic shit at RI.

You poison the well. It spreads.

[0_0]

Nordic i'm very glad you learned the word binary today and i wish you lots of fun with it. But i don't want to discuss with someone who insinuated i will delete my posts (which i won't) because i am embarassed about it (i'm not) and thinks i only posted that because some sky news paid hack said so (it wasn't someone from sky news, it was a guest and he was taken aback and very hesitantly said that it looked staged to him. Do you see skynews running with that or is sky news telling a different story alltogether?).

[Nordic]

Nordic i'm very glad you learned the word binary today and i wish you lots of fun with it. But i don't want to discuss with someone who insinuated i will delete my posts (which i won't) because i am embarassed about it (i'm not) and thinks i only posted that because some sky news paid hack said so (it wasn't someone from sky news, it was a guest and he was taken aback and very hesitantly said that it looked staged to him. Do you see skynews running with that or is sky news telling a different story alltogether?).

Then the guest was a fucking idiot. You quoted the guest to suggest that gave it some authority. Now you're trying to back out of that.

[DrEvil]

My two cents on that video: Mass of people are approaching the military checkpoint, they fire into the air with a heavy weapon to disperse people, everyone hits the deck because they're firing a heavy weapon.

@backtoiam: assuming that what you said about hat boy is true (I don't believe a word you say on general principles and I can't be arsed to check) then two possibilities present themselves:

1) He's an attention whore who made up the whole story to look good while he was actually hiding out somewhere relatively safe, or possibly wasn't even in the club, or

2) It was all a hoax with a few hundred crisis actors on hand to play victims, grieving relatives and first responders.

Which one do you think is most likely, and on a scale from one to ten, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe number 2?

[smoking since 1879]

Now you're not talking about people ducking in unison but something else.

Changing the subject completely.

But I'm not.. Would people go out in the street booing the military after shots were fired? Would the miltary allow themselves to be talked out of their tanks? Are those the kind of scenes you'd expect to see in a real coup? Anyho, you can think i'm stupid and i can think this alleged coup looked phoney.

having actually met a few Turkish people in my life, I can honestly say that them getting out on the streets and actually doing something about their situation is not the least bit surprising to me.

see, if you frame everything in your comfy white western outlook - nothing really makes any sense, does it?

[tapitsbo]

I think the executors of the coup thought they were "doing something about their situation".

Actually against greater odds than the loyalists.

[smoking since 1879]

I think the executors of the coup thought they were "doing something about their situation".

Actually against greater odds than the loyalists.

At around 4:30 pm, a statement sourced to the "Turkish Armed Forces" claimed that the military had seized control of the government.
The statement suggested the motivation was protecting Turkish democracy: "Turkish Armed Forces have completely taken over the administration of the country to reinstate constitutional order, human rights and freedom."
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/15/12201856/turkey-coup-istanbul-ankara

... apparently so

that statement also appeared on RT for a while, it's since been purged by the looks of it.

[backtoiam]

My two cents on that video: Mass of people are approaching the military checkpoint, they fire into the air with a heavy weapon to disperse people, everyone hits the deck because they're firing a heavy weapon.

@backtoiam: assuming that what you said about hat boy is true (I don't believe a word you say on general principles and I can't be arsed to check) then two possibilities present themselves:

1) He's an attention whore who made up the whole story to look good while he was actually hiding out somewhere relatively safe, or possibly wasn't even in the club, or

2) It was all a hoax with a few hundred crisis actors on hand to play victims, grieving relatives and first responders.

Which one do you think is most likely, and on a scale from one to ten, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe number 2?

Maybe you should "arse yourself" then. How would I know I was not there. I promise you I studied this so closely that everything I say is true and I have no reason to lie. Actually Hat Boy told two or three versions of his story that all differed a little. In one version he carried the guy shot in the back out of the club after he stuffed a bandana in his bullet hole. In another version he stuffed the bandana in the bullet wound and left by himself.

And, if "you can't be arsed to check" why are you questioning me in the first place? I was not arsed to "check" myself. I don't need to. I studied it very astutely minute by minute as it happened and I don't need to be "arsed to check" because I watched every minute of the changing story. I am pretty sure I also documented most of in this forum. What I say is true.

If you don't believe it "arse yourself and spend a few hours checking the forum."

[Iamwhomiam]

Better yet, btia, stand behind your words and prove they are true by providing a link to your source. Do that to support your argument, to remove any possibility of misunderstanding by readers.

[PufPuf93]

I have not come to an opinion as to Gulen's involvement and as to whether Erdogan et al planned an event that looks like is playing out to Erdogan's domestic advantage at a rapid pace. I say domestic because Erdogan seems prone to misplay Turkey's international situation.

Erdogan is using the event to purge opposition. The idea that coupsters could be executed moves Turkey away from the EU.

The response of the USA, NATO, EU, Russia, and various middle eastern countries will be interesting. The conditions remind me of the opening movements of WWI.

In 1908 the "Young Turks" couped the Ottoman Sultan and brought the Ottoman Empire into what became WWI, the Armenian Genocide, and the final destruction of the Ottoman Empire. Ataturk lead the formation of the secular Republic of Turkey out of the ashes. One item seldom noted is that the Ottoman Empire under the Young Turks first choice of alliance was with the United Kingdom and not Germany. The nations of Europe were more interested in territory that could be sliced off the Ottoman Empire and when the UK rejected the YT's they had no choice but to ally with Germany.

An enjoyable (one of my favorite history books) and informative read is Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East



From Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ot ... +all+peace

The Middle East has long been a region of rival religions, ideologies, nationalisms, and ambitions. All of these conflicts―including the hostilities between Arabs and Israelis, and the violent challenges posed by Iraq's competing sects―are rooted in the region's political inheritance: the arrangements, unities, and divisions imposed by the Allies after the First World War.

In A Peace to End All Peace, David Fromkin reveals how and why the Allies drew lines on an empty map that remade the geography and politics of the Middle East. Focusing on the formative years of 1914 to 1922, when all seemed possible, he delivers in this sweeping and magisterial book the definitive account of this defining time, showing how the choices narrowed and the Middle East began along a road that led to the conflicts and confusion that continue to this day.


Here is the most recent article from the Daily Mail (I know the DM lol). Lots of pictures at the link.

Erdogan uses failed coup to put pressure on Obama: Turkish leader urges the President to arrest exiled cleric he accuses of orchestrating deadly uprising from lavish Pennsylvania mansion

Turkey will have to prove cleric, Fethullah Gulen's wrongdoing in failed coup attempt before US could extradite him
Gulen condemned coup attempt by military officers saying government should be won by 'free and fair elections'
More than 2,800 rebels have been detained after failed coup that killed at least 250 and wounded more than 1,500
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government is blaming Gulen, who lives in exile in Pennsylvania
US Secretary of State John Kerry said US had no indication of coup, that came while Erdogan was on vacation
Greek police ministry said Turkish military helicopter landed in Greece Saturday with eight men on board
The men, who are thought to be senior coup plotters, have requested political asylum
Turkey has asked for the men, made up of seven soldiers and one civilian, to be extradited back to the country

By Valerie Edwards For Dailymail.com and Associated Press

Published: 10:40 EST, 16 July 2016 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 16 July 2016


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4EcedwSt4

[DrEvil]

My two cents on that video: Mass of people are approaching the military checkpoint, they fire into the air with a heavy weapon to disperse people, everyone hits the deck because they're firing a heavy weapon.

@backtoiam: assuming that what you said about hat boy is true (I don't believe a word you say on general principles and I can't be arsed to check) then two possibilities present themselves:

1) He's an attention whore who made up the whole story to look good while he was actually hiding out somewhere relatively safe, or possibly wasn't even in the club, or

2) It was all a hoax with a few hundred crisis actors on hand to play victims, grieving relatives and first responders.

Which one do you think is most likely, and on a scale from one to ten, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe number 2?

Maybe you should "arse yourself" then. How would I know I was not there. I promise you I studied this so closely that everything I say is true and I have no reason to lie. Actually Hat Boy told two or three versions of his story that all differed a little. In one version he carried the guy shot in the back out of the club after he stuffed a bandana in his bullet hole. In another version he stuffed the bandana in the bullet wound and left by himself.

And, if "you can't be arsed to check" why are you questioning me in the first place? I was not arsed to "check" myself. I don't need to. I studied it very astutely minute by minute as it happened and I don't need to be "arsed to check" because I watched every minute of the changing story. I am pretty sure I also documented most of in this forum. What I say is true.

If you don't believe it "arse yourself and spend a few hours checking the forum."

So you base your theory of it being faked on the word of one guy who can't keep his story straight?

You don't have to answer my 1-10 scale question. I already know the answer.