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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:00 pm

PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:03 pm wrote:
'It’s not that global warming is like a world war. It is a world war. And we are losing.'


Humanity is not "losing"; humanity has lost and will adjust to a new and what was not so long ago not so abrupt trajectory less human friendly.

Change is real and profound. There is a human caused extinction event in progress.

In recorded human history environmental degradation has been adjusted to by migration and technology.

What is different now is that the degradation is cascading, global and attendant to the industrial revolution and rapid expansion of humanity allowed by the exploitation of fossil fuels, fossil soil, fossil water, and a rich web of life.

Human population is going to decline.


Damn, you nailed it PufPuf93. Your words brought to mind one of the more shamanistic lyrical offerings from Jim Morrison:

What have they done to the earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences and dragged her down
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:43 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:00 pm wrote:
PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:03 pm wrote:
'It’s not that global warming is like a world war. It is a world war. And we are losing.'


Humanity is not "losing"; humanity has lost and will adjust to a new and what was not so long ago not so abrupt trajectory less human friendly.

Change is real and profound. There is a human caused extinction event in progress.

In recorded human history environmental degradation has been adjusted to by migration and technology.

What is different now is that the degradation is cascading, global and attendant to the industrial revolution and rapid expansion of humanity allowed by the exploitation of fossil fuels, fossil soil, fossil water, and a rich web of life.

Human population is going to decline.




Damn, you nailed it PufPuf93. Your words brought to mind one of the more shamanistic lyrical offerings from Jim Morrison:

What have they done to the earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences and dragged her down


The scream of the butterfly ....

See post in Lounge.

I loved the Doors.

Thank you stillrobertpaulsen.

I totally forgive Jim Morrison if he was a CIA agent.

My first rock concert and first time purposely taking lsd was a Doors and Procol Harum show at Winterland in San Francisco November 1967.

I was a freshman at a boarding school in San Rafael.

I am glad for the changes created.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:38 pm

The Doors at Winterland? I am jealous, that sounds phenomenal!

I've been reading No One Here Gets Out Alive. Didn't realize how high up the military food chain Morrison's dad was, being at the Gulf of Tonkin among other things. If Jim was a CIA agent, I like to think he was a great double agent working against the system.

I was raised on The Doors. Their music is timeless.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:02 am

July 2016 Was The Hottest Month Ever Recorded
The hottest month since at least 1880 continues a streak of record-smashing temperatures.

If July felt horrendously hot, that’s because it was.

NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ― two leading global authorities on climate ― both say July 2016 was not only the hottest July on record, but the most sizzling month in the history of record-keeping.

NOAA on Wednesday said July’s global average temperature was 62.01 degrees, 1.57 degrees above the 20th-century average. NASA, which uses a slightly different methodology, said Monday the average global temperature in July was 1.51 degrees above average. Both agencies pegged July as the hottest month since monitoring began in 1880.

The record continues a global hot streak that scientists have linked to global warming, with average temperatures continuing to climb as extreme weather events occur more frequently. The July data underscores the fact that man’s role in climate change is “no longer subtle,” said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.

“We are seeing them play out in the daily headlines, and this is yet the latest example,” Mann told HuffPost in an email.

July’s high topples the previous record set in July 2015. The month of July, when the seasonal temperature cycle peaks in the Northern Hemisphere, usually sees the highest global temperatures, according to NASA.

NOAA said last month marks the 15th month in a row in which global heat records have been broken. That continues the longest streak of record-breaking temperatures since reporting began.

NASA, which analyzes weather data from from 6,300 locations around the world, considers July 2016 to be the 10th consecutive record-setting month.

By either tally, the trend is disturbing and has no end in sight.

With global temperatures between 1.62 degrees and 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit above historic averages, 2015 easily topped 2014 as the Earth’s hottest year in recorded history.

An international climate report described as Earth’s “annual physical” this month found that a devastating dose of long-term climate change combined with a strong El Niño in 2015 left seemingly every other major climate record on the books shattered.

Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in a statement that it “appears almost a certainty” that 2016 will go down as the warmest year on record.

Given that and the fact that July is usually the hottest month of the year, this record isn’t too surprising, Kevin Trenberth, a distinguished senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said in an email to HuffPost.

Perhaps most concerning, Georgia Tech climate scientist Kim Cobb told The Associated Press, is that “global temperatures continue to warm even as a record-breaking El Nino event has finally released its grip.”

El Niño, a phenomenon highlighted by warmer-than-usual sea surface temperatures in the equatorial Pacific, is capable of changing weather around the globe. Last year’s was “one of the strongest El Niño events the globe has experienced since at least 1950,” according to a NOAA-led report.

In 2015, Earth experienced declining global ice and snow cover, harmful effects on Arctic animal and fish species, widespread coral bleaching and extreme weather events, including a record-breaking cyclone season, flooding, severe droughts and fires.

Rather predictably, 2016 is off to a hellish start with extreme weather events, including wildfires in California and disastrous flooding in West Virginia, Texas and ― the latest ― Louisiana.

“[A] key message is all of the other events associated with this around the world, including especially the Louisiana floods,” Trenberth said.

Flooding that powerful is an example of how a hotter atmosphere turns ordinary weather events into more extreme ones, he explained.

“For every 1 degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature, the atmosphere can hold about 4 percent more moisture,” creating more intense storms and flooding, he told HuffPost previously.

“[T]his jump, and this record are both scary reminders how climate change can speed up and really catch society off guard,” Jonathan T. Overpeck, the co-director of the Institute of the Environment at the University of Arizona, told HuffPost. “Unusually bad flooding, likely made worse by a warmer atmosphere is in the news, but don’t forget that droughts are also being made worse by the warming, as is the risk of the biggest severe wildfires.”

Arizona suffered through both record-breaking heat in June and deadly flooding last fall.

Despite overwhelming scientific evidence, some politicians ― including Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) ― continue to scoff at man’s role in climate change.

This week, Australian senator-elect Malcolm Roberts, a member of the country’s One Nation party, took climate change denial to an extreme, claiming NASA is manipulating data to create an illusion of global warming. Unsurprisingly, he has been blasted on social media.

In response to Roberts’ claim, NASA spokeswoman Karen Northon told The Huffington Post that the science is “crystal clear.”

“NASA’s global temperature analysis uses three independent data sources provided by other agencies. Quality control checks are regularly performed on that data,” Northon wrote in an email. “NASA is confident in the quality of this data and stands by previous scientifically-based conclusions regarding global temperatures.”

Penn State’s Mann said Roberts’ comments show “we’ve truly reached the bottom of the barrel of climate change denial when we have elected representatives attacking NASA, the scientific institution that put us on the moon and engineered the modern space program.”

“We’ve reached a whole new level of conspiratorial thinking,” Mann added, “a brave new world of epistemic closure where the more authoritative the confirmation of our scientific understanding, the deeper and wider the conspiracy simply must extend.”

This record only further disproves the idea that a “global warming hiatus” proves climate change is a hoax, NOAA public affairs officer Theo Stein tweeted Wednesday morning.

But confronting the industries responsible for the rise of CO2 remains tied up in U.S. politics.

“July was the hottest month ever recorded,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) tweeted. “When do Republicans stop putting fossil fuel profits over people’s health?

Bill McKibben, an environmentalist and co-founder of 350.org, told HuffPost the changes we’re living through right now are ones geologists will someday look back on in awe.

“Awe that we were here to see it happening and didn’t lift a finger to stop it,” McKibben said.


Ain't gonna be no future geologists looking back on this era unless they're offworlders.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:35 pm

Luther Blissett » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:02 am wrote:
July 2016 Was The Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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“July was the hottest month ever recorded,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) tweeted. “When do Republicans stop putting fossil fuel profits over people’s health?

Bill McKibben, an environmentalist and co-founder of 350.org, told HuffPost the changes we’re living through right now are ones geologists will someday look back on in awe.

“Awe that we were here to see it happening and didn’t lift a finger to stop it,” McKibben said.


Ain't gonna be no future geologists looking back on this era unless they're offworlders.


From page 159 of this thread:

"Humanity at present is a minor blip and doomed.

The species will hang around for sometime but no where near as long as the dinosaurs.

We will get our own geologic age though, the Anthropocene, only there won't be geologists around to classify and interpret."

Bernie Sanders was and still would be my favored candidate for POTUS but the environmental problems confronting humanity have more to do with human nature.

The human conundrum is how to scale back our population and ecologic foot print to where humanity doesn't rely on fossil fuel (and fossil soil and fossil fresh water and a manufactured decline in the rich web of life we enjoy).

Not simplistic nor solvable by slogan.

Not being a religious person, I surprise myself by saying a new religion may be in order.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby backtoiam » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:22 am

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:01 am

PufPuf93 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:35 am wrote:
Luther Blissett » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:02 am wrote:
July 2016 Was The Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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“July was the hottest month ever recorded,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) tweeted. “When do Republicans stop putting fossil fuel profits over people’s health?

Bill McKibben, an environmentalist and co-founder of 350.org, told HuffPost the changes we’re living through right now are ones geologists will someday look back on in awe.

“Awe that we were here to see it happening and didn’t lift a finger to stop it,” McKibben said.


Ain't gonna be no future geologists looking back on this era unless they're offworlders.


From page 159 of this thread:

"Humanity at present is a minor blip and doomed.

The species will hang around for sometime but no where near as long as the dinosaurs.

We will get our own geologic age though, the Anthropocene, only there won't be geologists around to classify and interpret."

Bernie Sanders was and still would be my favored candidate for POTUS but the environmental problems confronting humanity have more to do with human nature.

The human conundrum is how to scale back our population and ecologic foot print to where humanity doesn't rely on fossil fuel (and fossil soil and fossil fresh water and a manufactured decline in the rich web of life we enjoy).

Not simplistic nor solvable by slogan.

Not being a religious person, I surprise myself by saying a new religion may be in order.


Carl Sagan, a prominent atheist and humanist, wrote:

A religion old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge. [Pale Blue Dot, 1994]
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:02 am

^^^^^^^
Cool 82_28

Good company to keep. :thumbsup
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:26 am



BTIA

I am not a fan of Gore or Soros nor the fellow in this youtube.

Global warming or global climate change is real as measured by the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

The problem as I have already stated is that humanity has expanded based upon fossil fuel, fossil water, and fossil soil and a rich endowment of life.

There are those individuals and human institutions that will seek and successfully benefit to their own ends in the short term.

The more serious impact of humanity is that our global dominance has initiated what some call the 6th great extinction.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/ ... extinction

Extinction is not as simple as a missing species as species that are evident are emergent from an incredibly complex web of life including a world of the microscopic.

Ecologic disturbance resets the web of life and it starts anew simple with less species and less specific niches that take time to develop into species richness.

Look what happens after a forest fire in a natural environment on a macro-scale.

The rich endowment of life exploited by human technology since the industrial revolution based upon fossil fuel, fossil soil, and fossil water required 100s of millions of years to develop.

There will be a geologic strata associated with the rise and fall of humanity and the associated mass extinction.

So the video you post is not of particular value and quite misleading.

Assholes abound (meaning Gore and Soros and Clinton and Trump for example). :hug1:
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:53 am



Shouldn't this be in the "How bad is global warming denial" thread?

Kudos for finding a video that has both of the stupid right's arch demons in it, and clearly, some random black dude in his car knows way more about global warming than the actual scientists who do all the work. That's just common sense.




























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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:23 am

GAAHHRARBLEGARBLEEAAAAAAAAA!!!! :wallhead: :wallhead: :wallhead:


Abusing that brick wall again DrEvil?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:31 pm

It's more like a pile of rubble at this point.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby backtoiam » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:06 pm

PufPuf93

Assholes abound (meaning Gore and Soros and Clinton and Trump for example). :hug1:


Yep. That was pretty much what I caught from the video.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Harvey » Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:17 pm

http://350.org/exxon-killed-the-reef/
The seas of dead coral are a crime scene.

This year, the world witnessed the most devastating mass coral bleaching event ever recorded which left behind dead reefs in at least 38 countries. Many of these reefs will never recover.

The immediate cause is clear: the ongoing rise in global ocean temperatures that comes from climate change. But that’s like saying “he was killed by a bullet.” The important question is: who fired the gun?

We know who the biggest culprits are. For decades Exxon and their fossil fuel industry peers covered up how much they knew about climate change. #ExxonKnew the truth about the damage they were doing, but instead of telling the public, they chose to hide what they knew behind a campaign of lies and denial and robbed the world of a generation’s worth of time to reverse climate change.

It’s time for us to point the finger so that the world knows:

Exxon and their fossil fuel peers killed our reefs, and every day they continue to pollute they are knowingly putting our natural world — and all of us — in further danger.


Great Barrier Reef, Australia

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“The bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef is devastating to my whole community. The Gimuy Walubarra Yidinji have cared for this reef for thousands of years. It is a vital cultural and economic resource, not just for our people, but for all people. I ask that Exxon and the other fossil fuel companies think very carefully about what they are doing. They talk about denial, they pretend to argue about the science, but what’s really going on is a whole lot of greed. We don’t have time for their excuses now. That greed is driving our planet towards disaster. ”

Assoc. Prof Henrietta Marrie, CDU, Gimuy Walubarra Yidinji elder, Cairns, Australia.


Palolo Deep, Apia, Samoa

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“2015 was the worst year ever experienced for bleaching in Samoa. In Palolo Deep, up to 10% of the reef died as a result of bleaching, while in some parts of Savai’i, 95% of the reef bleached. Normally bleaching occurs up to one or two meters but this year there was bleaching up to twenty, twenty five meters deep – I’ve never seen that happen before. Even some of the less susceptible corals such as the boulder corals were all bleached last year.”

Samantha Kwan, Marine Conservation Officer, Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment


Andaman Islands

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“The Andaman Islands are frequented by tourists from across the world and their main agenda is to experience the beautiful coral reefs. As the shallow sites are bleached out, the non-swimmer and first timers who make the major chunk of tourists here, are disappointed. They go back and communicate it to their circles and this leads to reduced diving activity and thus impacting the livelihood of many dive shops who earn money from this activity.”

Subhash Chandran, SSI Dive Instructor, Andaman Islands, India.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:23 pm



BTIA

Maybe I should be more blunt.

This video is bullshit and stupid.

Man-caused climate change is not bullshit.

Climate change is but one of many symptoms of what is happening to the ecology of the planet because of the human species.

The fact that humanity has crapped in our habitat is used by assholes over the short term for their own ends is unfortunate.

The focus on "global warming" or "climate change" of ??? does not illuminate or expound on the problem well in the media and human discourse because the expression is transitory and similar trends have happened on a planet scale over millions and billions of years.

That is why I prefer to focus on the "6th great extinction". The fact that human dominance of Earth has exploded since the Industrial Revolution and impacted the environment where the Earth trends to be less amiable to human life.

What allowed this great expansion of humanity was the technology that exploits fossil fuel, fossil soil, and fossil water and a rich web of life.

In the 21st century Man has crossed the threshold of ending the frontier and capital of the fossil resources and we are in an over shot period of contraction of the human species.

The only questions that remain relate to how humanity adapts to the end of the frontier; will the adjustment be gradual or abrupt perhaps should be the prime concern.

The inertia of human institutions and infrastructure plus the basic selfishness of a Darwin world are unsettling.

Attempts to avoid the issues may be very successful but in the long term will only lead to a larger crash and increase the probability of uncomfortable crash(es).

To summarize:

This video is bullshit and stupid.

Man-caused climate change is not bullshit.

Climate change is but one of many symptoms of what is happening to the ecology of the planet because of the human species.
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