‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

[MacCruiskeen]

The trolls emerge and flourish whether fed or not. They feed off each other, and off the host. The more they're ignored, the more they regard it as encouragement to keep on trolling (and feeding).

[OP ED]

I only troll topics for which I feel my trolling can contribute an alternative.

(the sorcha faal article was terrible, the kind of thing that attracts my attention to posters rather than postings)


Re: mirror neurons: despite obvious fascination with liminality, when discussing theoretical aspects of neuroanatomy one should be careful not to state contentious and unproven theory as plain fact, it can be misleading. Mirror neurons haven't even been demonstrably "proven" to exist in humans, and nothing at all resembling that extreme oversimplification of their purported functions is anything more than vaguely suggested by the current extent of research. Don't get me wrong, the idea is exciting and very interesting but making statements that sound like facts at this juncture is, at best, premature.

(I somethings feel like an unwilling participant in a liminality experiment while reading this thread)

[Burnt Hill]

I think I answered stickdogs questions of me honestly and fairly.
He/she can question further if so desired.
The questions about the event have been discussed through the thread,
and I defer to the ideas stated as to why no answers will be forthcoming.
Some may find that dissatisfying. I simply accept it. So what?
I have also provided reasoning -as have others- as to why the act appears to be a hoax.
Having a different pov, and/or disagreeing is not trolling.
Though trolling is certainly afoot.

[stickdog99]

[OP ED]

I actually find it interesting how much attention this has been getting.

And funny that people seem to assume that CERN owes them any explanation. If it wasn't their video, and there was no crime, they may well not be permitted to be more specific in their answers. For example, if I made a fake ritual video, and CERN gave out my name online, I would probably sue them for endangering my life and violating my privacy. But it is interesting to see the sheer number of people who feel entitled to have more specific information from an entity which is likely unable (legally) to provide it.

[stickdog99]

I think I answered stickdogs questions of me honestly and fairly.
He/she can question further if so desired.
The questions about the event have been discussed through the thread,
and I defer to the ideas stated as to why no answers will be forthcoming.
Some may find that dissatisfying. I simply accept it. So what?
I also have also provided reasoning -as have others- as to why the act appears to be a hoax.
Having a different pov, and/or disagreeing is not trolling.
Though trolling is certainly afoot.

So in summary, you think this video is a hoax and you think no answers about it will be forthcoming, and you are perfectly fine with that, and you think the rest of us should be perfectly fine with that as well, and those who expect answers about hoaxes give hoaxes power they would never otherwise have, and expecting answers about bizarre events says far more about those who expect answers than it says about those who are always allowed to leave questions about bizarre events unanswered.

Right? Or did I miss something?

[MacCruiskeen]

OP ED, no one is demanding names be named (unless someone was actually hurt). But what's to prevent CERN saying something like this, unambiguously? -

"No security breach took place at CERN. Only temporarily-resident students were involved, and no one was hurt. We have verified that the young woman is alive and well, and that the stabbing was merely simulated. We have issued a clear warning that any repetition of such pranks will be punished by expulsion and treated as a matter for the police."

I find it amazing that so many people expect no serious explanation from an institution funded by taxpayers to the tune of well over a billion dollars annually. If that whatever-it-was had taken place in a school playground there would been a hell of a lot more fuss.

[stickdog99]

I actually find it interesting how much attention this has been getting.

And funny that people seem to assume that CERN owes them any explanation. If it wasn't their video, and there was no crime, they may well not be permitted to be more specific in their answers. For example, if I made a fake ritual video, and CERN gave out my name online, I would probably sue them for endangering my life and violating my privacy. But it is interesting to see the sheer number of people who feel entitled to have more specific information from an entity which is likely unable (legally) to provide it.

No, this video is a work of fiction showing a contrived scene. CERN and its on-site accommodation fills up with scientists from across the world coming to CERN as part of their work. Work at CERN can take place 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with shift work and data analysis. Persons that are authorised to access the CERN site sometimes let their sense of humour go too far, and that is what has happened on this occasion. The video was filmed from an office building; strict safety systems are in place to prevent any unauthorised access to technical and experimental facilities. CERN does not condone this kind of spoof, which breaches CERN’s professional guidelines, and is currently carrying out an internal investigation.

CERN already acknowledged on its website that the video was filmed on its premises by people who had permission to be on its premises. And CERN has assured us that this was because some folks authorized to be on the premises "let their sense of humour go too far."

Surely, CERN can assure us that nobody was actually injured in the filming of this spoof. Right? Surely, CERN can let us know the level of the employees (if they were employees) involved in this "work of fiction." Right? Surely, CERN can let us know why these authorized persons thought the video humorous. Right? Surely, CERN can let us know what these individuals sought to accomplish by filming and releasing this comedic work of fiction. Right?

[stickdog99]

OP ED, no one is demanding names be named (unless someone was actually hurt). But what's to prevent CERN saying something like this, unambiguously? -

"No security breach took place at CERN. Only temporarily-resident students were involved, and no one was hurt. We have verified that the young woman is alive and well, and that the stabbing was merely simulated. We have issued a clear warning that any repetition of such pranks will be punished by expulsion and treated as a matter for the police."

I find it amazing that so many people expect no serious explanation from an institution funded by taxpayers to the tune of well over a billion dollars annually. If that whatever-it-was had taken place in a school playground there would been a hell of a lot more fuss.

Exactly. Why pretend otherwise? And why aren't ISIS beheading videos given the same "it's definitely a hoax" treatment?

[OP ED]

But it didn't. It took place on property that is heavily guarded and regulated, which means that it would be almost impossible to commit murder there and get away. Maybe if the satanists were also ninjas.


And no, they don't ever clearly state that no one was murdered. Perhaps they think that this is obvious given that no missing scientists or students have been reported and that the police were obviously satisfied with whatever they told them behind closed doors. Also perhaps they're assuming intelligent English speaking people will pick that up from the implications inherent in usage of words like "prank" or "spoof". Perhaps they're overestimating your abilities?

[Burnt Hill]

I think I answered stickdogs questions of me honestly and fairly.
He/she can question further if so desired.
The questions about the event have been discussed through the thread,
and I defer to the ideas stated as to why no answers will be forthcoming.
Some may find that dissatisfying. I simply accept it. So what?
I also have also provided reasoning -as have others- as to why the act appears to be a hoax.
Having a different pov, and/or disagreeing is not trolling.
Though trolling is certainly afoot.

So in summary, you think this video is a hoax and you think no answers about it will be forthcoming, and you are perfectly fine with that, and you think the rest of us should be perfectly fine with that as well, and those who expect answers about hoaxes give hoaxes power they would never otherwise have, and expecting answers about bizarre events says far more about those who expect answers than it says about those who are always allowed to leave questions about bizarre events unanswered.

Right? Or did I miss something?

I can accept something without being perfectly fine with it, no?
In this thread I am only referring to the hoax video in the op.
I have no real expectations of others.

[stickdog99]

But it didn't. It took place on property that is heavily guarded and regulated, which means that it would be almost impossible to commit murder there and get away. Maybe if the satanists were also ninjas.


And no, they don't ever clearly state that no one was murdered. Perhaps they think that this is obvious given that no missing scientists or students have been reported and that the police were obviously satisfied with whatever they told them behind closed doors. Also perhaps they're assuming intelligent English speaking people will pick that up from the implications inherent in usage of words like "prank" or "spoof". Perhaps they're overestimating your abilities?

I guess I forgot that the scene of the crime was a place that we should all inherently trust.

[OP ED]

If you automatically assume they're lying illuminati satanists or whatever then their statements won't be relevant to you regardless of how detailed they are.

[mentalgongfu2]

[quote][.I guess I forgot that the scene of the crime was a place that we should all inherently trust./quote]

What bloody crime? The one you are compelled to imagine unless CERN states explicitly "no one was murdered on our premises?"

[OP ED]

I'm not sure, maybe making YouTube videos is a crime in Europe?