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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:31 am

dada » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:51 pm wrote:"Those who think Hillary has this in the bag, don't understand at all social media, nor the way the wind has sadly been blowing."

Oh, I understand it, I just don't spend my time looking at it. Maybe that helps me keep a more objective view of the way the sad wind is blowing.

I'll have to take your guy's word for it that the meme of the moment has mystical aura. Reading about how a badly drawn frog has magical allure isn't on my list of things to do. There's only so many hours in a day, forces me to make some difficult choices.


The badly drawn frog and knowing what it means (I sure didn't) I appreciate. If you don't go to sites where the "alt right" haunt you'd have no idea. I think I went to 4chan many years ago but was like yeah, no. I don't know how these people think. I don't know where they are. I know, I think, zero people who are racist to the degree of the frog nazis. It's always good to keep up with the far right where possible. Always. Which sucks because my dear dog who has passed on I named Frog. Say I was out walking her now and someone asked me what her name was I would say Frog with trepidation. Where as before it was just a funny story of her running away the day I adopted her running into a busy 6 lane street (Frogger) now it connotes something else. I dunno. But I think monitoring this shit is important at least for the sake of minorities and such.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:27 am

JackRiddler » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:17 pm wrote:Nitpick of nitpick: the topic was not the evolutionary class human biologists currently identify as the superorder dinosauria or the class Aves that evolved from it, but the species †Triceratops horridus Marsh, or did you miss that? Dice gets to punch down on you too I guess!

Nitpick 2: Pence wants to have control over seemslikeadream's vagina, it is true. I've got a problem with it too.


it is so nice that my vagina has had a small part in kindling the love between Jack and me :P

He also wants to get up into the gays

Mike Pence Wrote An Article Urging Employers Not to Hire Gay People

Pence is certainly a good match for Trump when it comes to hateful speech.

BY HILTON DRESDEN
THU, 2016-09-01 15:48

Mike Pence, Donald Trump's running mate in this year's presidential election, published articles urging employers not to hire gay employees while he was head of the Indiana Policy Review in the 1990s.

One such article published during Pence's tenure reads: "Homosexuals are not as a group able-bodied. They are known to carry extremely high rates of disease brought on because of the nature of their sexual practices and the promiscuity which is a hallmark of their lifestyle."


Pence also argues in the piece that homosexuality is a "pathological condition." Read the full article here.

Pence has also fallen under scrutiny for publishing work in 1993 criticizing gay military members.

Last year as governor of Indiana, he signed the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act," which allows companies to discriminate against LGBT employees and customers based on firmly held religious beliefs. And he's proposed cutting funding for HIV treatment and using the money for "gay cure" therapy.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby dada » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:08 am

It's an internet meme thing, I get it. Frog is meme of the moment. Some internet memes catch on in the wider culture for a time, and some don't, for various reasons.

Subcultures have in-jokes and buzz words. They develop their own slang. Everysmurf is smurfy in a subculture.

Do I need to be concerned with the particulars of this one? eh, I'll pass. I think I get the idea.

You have to understand, I'm not a monitor, an outside observer of troll-culture. I'm at war with it.

Total war. I know it may seem like I'm a sweetheart, but really, deep down I am not a nice person. :partydance:
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:34 pm

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Polling is political and usually commercial. Because of the latter, it is proliferative and competitive, produced by many outfits public and private on a daily treadmill. Questionable results are spectacularized to grab attention. It is paradigmatically, categorically, a questionable industry; with classically known problems of what is observer and what is observed. But even by the industry's own standards, polls are routinely flawed: They reflect biases built into assumptions about how to ask questions and whom to ask; they are often skewed methodologically by intent; they are skewed because of who might be paying for the poll and why; and no doubt they are probably sometimes just fixed (the simplest way being in manipulating how sub-samples are weighted).

In short, you can hardly trust polling as a whole, and even those polls you take as honest, methodologically thorough, and reliable, you still have to deconstruct, analyze, use carefully and with caveats.

This is why, when I want to get a sense of what The People are thinking and what the future holds, I wander on over to 4chan or Reddit and have a look at the memes.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby The Consul » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:56 pm

I remember the days when the only polling that was done was the widespread exit polling on election day. But with the advent of cable, magically, that all went away. In some more solid democracies than US, exit polling is considered a legitimate safeguard for election results. So what little exit polling is done now is done based upon and to confirm previous polls. Total loop, as if elections weren't regulated so much by the FEC but rather Vegas style JImmy The Greek pundits who give us a choice between maybe 1.5 things to think and no prodding, support or inspiration toward the truth. Both candidates are closer to the disease than the cure. One of them you can practically observe insanely metastasizing in real time, the other well, what can you say, is just there..
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby dada » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:14 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:34 pm wrote:.

This is why, when I want to get a sense of what The People are thinking and what the future holds, I wander on over to 4chan or Reddit and have a look at the memes.

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You definitely give these websites more credit than I do. I see them more as echo chambers for people with short attention spans who live on the internet. What The People there are thinking is mostly 'am I cool? I'd better look around and see what is everyone else thinking right now to make sure.'

How easy would it be to game that system? If you're a professional opinion-shaper, you drop your agenda into the hive mind, watch them crawl around it for awhile. It's temporary though, flighty and ephemeral. But that's what you get paid to do as an opinion-shaper. Sounds like it must be a thankless job.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:24 pm

Mike Pence Says His Role Model for Vice President Is Dick Cheney
By INES DE LA CUETARA Sep 18, 2016, 9:04 AM ET

WATCH Mike Pence Says His Role Model Vice President is Dick Cheney

GOP vice presidential candidate Mike Pence said his role model for the number two spot is the last Republican to hold the job -- Dick Cheney.

“I frankly hold Dick Cheney in really high regard in his role as vice president and as an American,” Pence said on ABC’s "This Week."

Pence said that, like Cheney, he hoped to be “a very active vice president.”

“Vice President Cheney had experience in Congress as I do, and he was very active in working with members of the House and the Senate,” he said.

Asked by ABC News' Martha Raddatz about criticism that Cheney had too much influence over President George W. Bush, Pence said that he admires vice presidents who are “able to take the vision of the president and champion that on Capitol Hill. “

“I would hope that my relationships over my 12 years in Congress and my four years here as governor of Indiana would help carry Donald Trump's vision to make America great again to people who would be crafting the legislation to put that into practice,” he said.

Pence often touts his experience in Congress on the campaign trail and just last week was on Capitol Hill to meet with Republicans in both the House and the Senate.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:16 am

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Donald Trump Was Never as Hard as He Was This Last Two Days
As soon as he heard about the bomb going off in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan on Saturday night, Republican presidential candidate and stack of pumpkins in a suit Donald Trump got an erection. He could feel his dick stand at attention as he prepared to go out to speak to a crowd in Colorado Springs, Colorado (motto: "Where Christianity goes to wallow in a hypocritical soup"). He desperately wanted to jack off right then and there, but he knew he had to wait. He confirmed this with campaign manager Kellyanne Conway when he went up to her and said, "Check out my crotch." Conway couldn't see anything. "No, really, you can't see that?" Trump asked.

"What are you talking about?" Conway said.

"My dick. Jesus, I've got such a hard-on it's bursting through my pants," Trump explained, gripping at the sagging cloth below his stomach.

Conway realized that she had to make sure Trump didn't lose energy for the speech. "Oh," she said. "Oh, yes, I see it now. It's huge. Hugest penis I've ever seen."

"Yeah, you know it," Trump smirked. "I should jack it. You wanna watch me jack it? Melania won't mind. She knows that's not cheating."

Conway was familiar with the terrain by now. "You know what? Why don't you save it? You might have a better orgasm if you wait and see what happens."

Trump thought for a moment, touching himself a little, and then nodded, saying, "Yeah, yeah. That's good. I'll wait. You're the best, Ann" before heading back into his dressing room to punch Chris Christie's belly for a bit to warm up for his speech.

"I'm not Ann Coul--" Conway tried to say before Trump disappeared.

And so it went the for the next day and a half, with Trump checking with Conway, after putting out statements and giving interviews, Conway telling Trump to hold it, hoping that he'd forget about it or just jack off already. But, no, she had put an idea in his head and he wasn't gonna let it go.

Finally, after appearing on Fox and Friends this morning, where he took a victory lap for having "called it" on the bombing being linked in some way to someone or something Muslim or terrorism or whatever, Trump dialed up Conway and said, "I swear to God, I'm gonna blow a load through my pants if I can't jack off. I must be up to a full three inches which, many people tell me, is as big as a dick can get before it just gets too painful. And believe me, believe me, Ann, I am gonna hurt someone with this thing. This bombing is the best thing to happen to my cock since 9/11 made me a mint."

Not being able to take it anymore, hoping that she might get paid this week, Conway said, "You know what, Donald? It's time. Today in Florida, go for it."

"Your lips to God's ear," Trump said, his voice practically lilting in anticipation.

So, today, in Estero, Florida, Trump started in on Hillary Clinton's reaction to the bombings in New York and New Jersey, mocking her for mocking him. Then he moved on to the just-captured Ahmad Rahami, injured in a shootout with police. Pulling out his prick, he started yanking it, slamming it against the podium, telling the crowd, sneeringly, "But the bad part now. We will give him amazing hospitalization. He will be taken care of by some of the best doctors in the world. He will be given a fully modern and updated hospital room. And he'll probably even have room service, knowing the way our country is," as if only fancy hospitals delivered meals to patients. The crowd roared, urging him to jack it harder.

Masturbating so forcefully, so frantically that some in the audience thought he might hurt himself, Trump went on to attack the justice system of the United States: "He will be represented by an outstanding lawyer. His case will go through the various court systems for years, and, in the end, people will forget and his punishment will not be what it once would have been. What a sad situation."

At last, as his idiot hordes yelled, "Hang him," and he demanded that Rahami be treated as an enemy combatant and that Clinton was just too weak to save the nation from his imagined horrors and the idiot hordes chanted, "Lock her up!" Donald Trump came with a roaring moan and a small blow out from his balls that dangled from the tip of his dick for a moment before dropping to floor in front of him. The idiot hordes surged forward, fighting each other to get their tongues on a bit of his divine seed.

Later, sweaty, satisfied, Trump walked up to Conway on the jet and said, "You were right...Kellyanne!" He winked, and Conway knew all was right with the world. "Wish there could be a bombing every week until the election, maybe with some deaths next time," Trump called back to her. "I don't know if my dick could take it, but it's be fun to find out."

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:25 am

Thank goodness we have the Rude Pundit to raise the level of political discourse in the face of the classless candidates. Proudly carrying on the tradition of HST.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:03 am

I was referring to two different things. One was I got a kick(kek?) out of that Pepe/Kek sync article. It's funny how another Egyptian God would egregorically come to be the single biggest
game changer of the last couple years: ISIS.

But my main point was, the momentum certainly seems to be on Trump's side. The Clinton campaign is desperately trying to do a last minute reaching out to millennials and the 18-35
voting block that loved Bernie, but absolutely do not like her(They dont like Trump, but they wont show up to vote for her) All these terror attacks, and sadly I think we can predict more to come,
are not going to help Clinton. Clinton rolling out globalist and neocon endorsements from George HW Bush, Kissinger, and (rumored to be Condi Rice) soon is going to further alienate the left.
Data shows that no matter how much of Wall Street, Soros, Saudi and Clooney millions the Clinton and DNC machine pushes out, she continues to slip in the polls. Even with an expansive
ground game. And no doubt social media and memes are having a crucial impact on the election, probably more than anyone may realize.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Blue » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:40 am

dada wrote:You definitely give these websites more credit than I do. I see them more as echo chambers for people with short attention spans who live on the internet. What The People there are thinking is mostly 'am I cool? I'd better look around and see what is everyone else thinking right now to make sure.'

How easy would it be to game that system? If you're a professional opinion-shaper, you drop your agenda into the hive mind, watch them crawl around it for awhile. It's temporary though, flighty and ephemeral. But that's what you get paid to do as an opinion-shaper. Sounds like it must be a thankless job.


You took the words right outta my mouth, dada. It's easy to get caught up in any website's local culture where it colors your perception, leading you to project it onto the larger world. We live in a very fractured reality online. I think a lot of people have snippets of information that make them nod and say hell yeah! when they really don't even know what's going on. They're trying to fit in. It's easier to act like you know what a laughing green frog means than to admit you never heard of that website.

It's a mistake to lump all people of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, etc. into one group and to overestimate the number of people participating in memes.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kelley » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:24 am

4chan should terrify the status quo, but not for the reasons often claimed. it doesn't mirror society (as if), but pictures the rejection of its norms in a largely rhetorical manner. it comprehends the machinery of persuasion in a way that defies all the traditional notions of agency, participation, permanence, and authority. this may be politics, but there were moments a few years ago when, if embraced at a purely syntactical level, i imagined /b/ as the most powerful artwork ever devised by humankind.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:37 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9tzDRVEYxM

Trump, Grand Wizard of Birtherism
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Charles M. Blow SEPT. 17, 2016

So, on Friday the Grand Wizard of Birtherism against President Obama admitted that birtherism was bunk, not by apologizing for his prominent role in the racist campaign — no, that would have been too right — but by suggesting that he deserved credit for dousing the flames he’d fanned.

This man is so low that he’s subterranean.

Donald Trump said Friday: “Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy.”

That was a lie. There is no evidence Hillary Clinton and her campaign either started or took part in the efforts to question the location of Barack Obama’s birth.

He continued: “I finished it.”

That was also a lie. Well after it had been established that the president was born in this country, Trump continued to traffic in speculation to the contrary, all the way up to and including this year.

Then Trump said, without elaboration or allowing questions: “President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period.”

Trump has a long history of elevating the idiocy of conspiracy theories and normalizing the nonsensical.

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Trump has claimed that Bill Ayers wrote the President’s acclaimed, best-selling memoir because surely this black man couldn’t have the talent to write the book. As Trump put it:

“I think somebody else had a lot to do with that book. I think he wrote the second book, which was certainly not a masterpiece. I’m very good at books, and it certainly wasn’t a masterpiece.”

It should be noted that Trump’s own best seller, “The Art of the Deal,” was ghostwritten by Tony Schwartz, who told The New Yorker in July, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.”

Trump claimed in a 2011 interview with Sean Hannity that President Obama was “born Barry Soetoro, somewhere along the line, he changed his name.” Soetoro is the surname of Obama’s mother’s second husband, who she married when Obama was a young boy.

But Trump didn’t stop there. He strung together more conspiracy theories, including coming back to his obvious envy of the success and quality of Obama’s first book:

“I heard he had terrible marks and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but his second book was written by an average person. He shouldn’t have written the second book.”

Speaking of college, Trump has insinuated that Obama never attended Columbia University. In 2011, Trump told the Conservative Political Action Conference that “our current president came out of nowhere” and “In fact, I’ll go a step further: The people that went to school with him, they never saw him, they don’t know who he is. It’s crazy.”

The fact-checking site PolitiFact rated this lie “Pants on Fire.”

He once suggested to Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly that maybe Obama hadn’t produced a birth certificate because it could reveal that he’s a secret Muslim. He said:

“People have birth certificates. He doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one but there’s something on that, maybe religion, maybe it says he is a Muslim. I don’t know. Maybe he doesn’t want that.”

Indeed, the list of conspiracy theories Trump has floated about President Obama is long, but Obama has not been the only target. Trump has also entertained the suspicion that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was murdered, just as he suggests Vince Foster was. He has also intimated that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

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This is what Trump does: He exalts gossip and innuendo, which has the direct and opposite effect of degrading truth and honesty. He finds a lie in which the depraved have faith and he lifts it up as if it’s a secret that their opponents fear.

This is an enormous distraction, because it means that time and attention that could be put into exposing that Trump’s policies are either paper thin or laughably unworkable are instead diverted to disproving lies which usher forth from his mouth like water from a hose at full throttle.

And even when confronted with proof positive that his conspiracies are baseless, he often doesn’t back down, or if he does, he does so without apology.

He is not only bending the truth, he is breaking the notion that truth should matter in the first place.

This is what is so baffling about the people supporting him: They know he’s lying, but they so want to believe the lies that they have pushed themselves into a universe of irrationality that is devoid of logic.

So, his admission on Friday was too little, too late; too contrived, too strategic and too lacking in context. In fact, Trump has peddled so many lies about the president that this clearly election-driven, down-to-the-wire political ploy rang hollow and felt like as much of an insult as the original claim.

No one who so proudly wears the mark of dishonesty and defamation possesses the power to grant the stamps of legitimacy and absolution

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/19/opini ... egion&_r=1
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:47 am

dada » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:14 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:34 pm wrote:.

This is why, when I want to get a sense of what The People are thinking and what the future holds, I wander on over to 4chan or Reddit and have a look at the memes.

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You definitely give these websites more credit than I do. I see them more as echo chambers for people with short attention spans who live on the internet. What The People there are thinking is mostly 'am I cool? I'd better look around and see what is everyone else thinking right now to make sure.'

How easy would it be to game that system? If you're a professional opinion-shaper, you drop your agenda into the hive mind, watch them crawl around it for awhile. It's temporary though, flighty and ephemeral. But that's what you get paid to do as an opinion-shaper. Sounds like it must be a thankless job.


I was joking. I never go to 4chan or Reddit (except the latter occasionally when someone links), and probably get enough of the fallout elsewhere to have a sense of what is going on in these echo chambers for a limited demographic. If I did, maybe I'd get the dubious idea that young people are turning to Trump, as opposed to (maybe) Stein or Johnson, or not caring in particular.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:08 am

JackRiddler » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:47 pm wrote:
dada » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:14 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:34 pm wrote:.

This is why, when I want to get a sense of what The People are thinking and what the future holds, I wander on over to 4chan or Reddit and have a look at the memes.

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You definitely give these websites more credit than I do. I see them more as echo chambers for people with short attention spans who live on the internet. What The People there are thinking is mostly 'am I cool? I'd better look around and see what is everyone else thinking right now to make sure.'

How easy would it be to game that system? If you're a professional opinion-shaper, you drop your agenda into the hive mind, watch them crawl around it for awhile. It's temporary though, flighty and ephemeral. But that's what you get paid to do as an opinion-shaper. Sounds like it must be a thankless job.


I was joking. I never go to 4chan or Reddit (except the latter occasionally when someone links), and probably get enough of the fallout elsewhere to have a sense of what is going on in these echo chambers for a limited demographic. If I did, maybe I'd get the dubious idea that young people are turning to Trump, as opposed to (maybe) Stein or Johnson, or not caring in particular.


My observation is that it seems much more like a set of reactions against, rather than a principled-based endorsement for... Trump / far right. It seems much less echoic than the neolib / SJW establishment it is taking aim at... they seem to have zero understanding of it as far as I can see.
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