The Mandela Effect (Disappearing Braces in Moonraker)

[guruilla]

I have a photographic(ish) memory, especially for things I love, and I had the best memory of all of my peers as a child. I loved the berenstein bears, and no one can tell me it was ever spelled stain. That's ridiculous to me. Also, in my reality was Oscar Meyer, febreeze, jiffy, captain crunch, Interview with a vampire, not the, and the mr. rogers theme song is now completely changed, etc, etc, etc.. I just came across this theory (been avoiding this thread for some reason.) and the berenstein bears had me convinced immediately.

Is it really such a stretch for members of this forum to accept that there are alternate timelines, and that sometimes people can shift between them? I assume if you're reading this you presently inhabit the same reality that I just showed up in. I was elsewhere last week, and I noticed the shift. Now this comes comes to my awareness, just in time to explain what I thought was just me going crazy. Reality has proven to be just as malleable as I long suspected it to be. Those of you suggesting that it's a Psyop are clearly wrong. You can't change so many things, not in this manner. So many of my memories have proven false tonight, and somehow, I'm not even surprised.

Child of the 80's here, just to put age into context- I'm probably one of the youngest long time regular lurkers here.

The main difficulty I have with this theory, which I don't actually disagree with (at least the me writing this sentence doesn't), is that it is potentially self-cancelling. Taken to logical extremes, it means we cannot be sure that we are even in the same timeline/dimension/self as we were when we started this sentence, never mind this thread. It effectively removes all possibility of ground and leaves us, or me, staring into a perceptual abyss that goes on forever.

Not saying this is a bad thing, just that there isn't much left to discuss at this point because a perceptual abyss that goes on forever renders every possibility equally possible, and equally irrelevant.

It would, or should, spell the end of RI . . . for starters.

[dada]

I can only speak for my reality tunnel. But here's where considering the timeline theory takes me:

Let's say there is a 'me' in many timelines. This one typing is 'me-A'

Me-A shifts over into timeline B, into the space where 'me-B' usually occupies.

Am I me-B now, but with me-A's memories? These memories are patterns of electrical impulses in me-A's brain. Now that I'm there, I can't really be sure if I'm Me-A on the B timeline, or if I've always been me-B, and some memories from timeline A have bled in.

Only my sense of self can make me certain which one I am. And what's the sense of self? Is myself defined by my physical body? Well, that doesn't help, because Me-A and Me-B are identical except for these memories.

Maybe the sense of self is located somewhere else. I think about it, and come to the conclusion that my sense of self is my awareness of being aware. "I" am conscious of being conscious.

But that still doesn't help. I could still be Me-A or Me-B with Me-A's memories.

At this point I decide, well, it doesn't really matter whether I'm Me-A, or Me-B. My sense of self is moving through time. The timelines 'collapse' into one timeline, the one "I" am experiencing. Whether I'm the 'me' from the Bernstein timeline, and have moved to the Bernstain timeline - or I've always been on the Bernstain timeline, and memories from the Bernstein timeline have bled in - or something else - 'My' timeline is the one I'm experiencing. Other timelines are ones that "I" am never on. So they don't 'exist' for me, they're mathematically meaningless.

Say I take my sense of self out of the equation. But if I don't have a sense of self, what is experiencing a shift between timelines, or anything at all? Not myself? Mathematical meaninglessness again.

So that's what happens in my reality tunnel. If it appears to me that I've passed through a Bernstein timeline, and then a Bernstain timeline, I can't really be sure that's the case. What I can be sure about is that I'm on my timeline. I always am. The rest becomes speculation, and I can't rule out that it's simply an effect of consumerism rotting my brain. I have to give that theory equal weight to the timeline theory.

I understand it may be different in other people's reality tunnels.

[guruilla]

I think I just saw the ghost of Phillip K. Dick floating over this thread, smiling benignly (tho it could be a grimace).

[OP ED]

What I find most disconcerting is the reality that we're so possessive of our memories' truthiness that we're going to consider universal shifting as a likelier alternative than simply being wrong.

(In my tunnel I have been correcting adults about Berenstain since the eighties)

[Luther Blissett]

I have a photographic(ish) memory, especially for things I love, and I had the best memory of all of my peers as a child. I loved the berenstein bears, and no one can tell me it was ever spelled stain. That's ridiculous to me. Also, in my reality was Oscar Meyer, febreeze, jiffy, captain crunch, Interview with a vampire, not the, and the mr. rogers theme song is now completely changed, etc, etc, etc.. I just came across this theory (been avoiding this thread for some reason.) and the berenstein bears had me convinced immediately.

Is it really such a stretch for members of this forum to accept that there are alternate timelines, and that sometimes people can shift between them? I assume if you're reading this you presently inhabit the same reality that I just showed up in. I was elsewhere last week, and I noticed the shift. Now this comes comes to my awareness, just in time to explain what I thought was just me going crazy. Reality has proven to be just as malleable as I long suspected it to be. Those of you suggesting that it's a Psyop are clearly wrong. You can't change so many things, not in this manner. So many of my memories have proven false tonight, and somehow, I'm not even surprised.

Child of the 80's here, just to put age into context- I'm probably one of the youngest long time regular lurkers here.

The main difficulty I have with this theory, which I don't actually disagree with (at least the me writing this sentence doesn't), is that it is potentially self-cancelling. Taken to logical extremes, it means we cannot be sure that we are even in the same timeline/dimension/self as we were when we started this sentence, never mind this thread. It effectively removes all possibility of ground and leaves us, or me, staring into a perceptual abyss that goes on forever.

Not saying this is a bad thing, just that there isn't much left to discuss at this point because a perceptual abyss that goes on forever renders every possibility equally possible, and equally irrelevant.

It would, or should, spell the end of RI . . . for starters.

BANK OF AMERICA: There's a 20%-50% chance we're inside the matrix and reality is just a simulation

[JackRiddler]

What I find most disconcerting is the reality that we're so possessive of our memories' truthiness that we're going to consider universal shifting as a likelier alternative than simply being wrong.

[MayDay]

This is a real dilemna. But then, look again, dilemna is dilemma in this reality. Does anyone else remember dilemma being dilemna? Clearly remember it, like I do? No more. And apparently it was never spelt dilemna.

I'm okay with timelines collapsing/ merging/ changing. It just reinforces my suspicion that reality is simply what you can get away with. Maybe we have more power over our own destinies than we know. Makes it absolutely necessary to live every moment to the highest potential, in the highest possible frequency, trusting my inner knowing. Because if there's a chance to move into a different, better, more stable, positive reality, I don't want to miss the bus.

And the Cat Stephens version of Cats in the Cradle no longer exists. Never did. This timeline only has an inferior version by someone called Harry Chapin. Does anyone else clearly remember the Cat Stephens version?

[yathrib]

Some of the Mandela effect phenomena I've heard mentioned are head scratchers, the Berenstain(stein) bears being one. But much of it seems to be people who just don't pay close attention to things, or lack a bit of general knowledge, yet can't conceive of being wrong. I listened to this ridiculous podcast--I wish I could locate it on Youtube--where these two guys were insisting that they remembered MLK being assassinated on the street at close range with a pistol, and that Mussolini was a fat man in a top hat. Worse, one of these gentlemen was a high school history teacher.

The name of the effect itself... I think people are misremembering the death of Steve Biko in police custody.

[norton ash]

And the Cat Stephens version of Cats in the Cradle no longer exists. Never did. This timeline only has an inferior version by someone called Harry Chapin. Does anyone else clearly remember the Cat Stephens version?

Never heard a Cat Stevens version of it... are you trying to be funny? It's probably Harry Chapin's best-selling song.

[OP ED]

Only selling song.

[dada]

This dimension thing reminds me of a funny situation that Duncan Idaho finds himself in. It all happens on one timeline, but the critical thought experiment is similar.

Duncan B is a ghola (fancy name for a clone). He is a clone of Duncan A, and knows it. He's been conditioned to behave differently. The only difference between Duncan A and Duncan B is this conditioning.

Duncan B breaks the conditioning. Now he acts like Duncan, thinks like Duncan. He has all of Duncan A's memories, right up to the point that Duncan A died.

Duncan B experiences reality as Duncan. His sense of himself is 'I am Duncan.' He still knows his first body died. He wonders if the 'sense of self' in Duncan A was the same 'sense of self' in Duncan B.

He doesn't let that get in his way, though. Duncan isn't the type of person to lose sleep over philosophical questions. He's a charismatic man of action. As strange as his past may be - dying and being a clone all that - he's Duncan. And anyone who knew him before he died will tell you; this clone is Duncan.

The question for the reader may still be there. You may ask yourself, is the clone actually Duncan? I'd say he is.You may disagree. It doesn't matter to Duncan what we think, though. Duncan is gonna be Duncan, either way. He can't help it, that's what Duncans do.

[lucky]

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google comes up with this option....i remember it as A not The, the just sounds odd it insinuates there is only one vampire.

[elfismiles]

If Nobusuke Tagomi can cross over, so can I.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeVgEs4sOo

Philip K. Dick Discloses the Matrix in 1977
Post by seemslikeadream » 05 May 2010
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Mandela Effect goes mainstream:

Are you living in an alternate reality? Welcome to the wacky world of the 'Mandela Effect'
Douglas McPherson
20 September 2016 • 12:34pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... acky-worl/

Reality shift (time/event bump) just ahead
Post by seemslikeadream » 03 Oct 2009 23:47
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Great bunch of Terence McKenna audio archived here:

http://futurehi.net/media.html

...

For a rare trip down one McKenna's least talked about side-roads of his 2012 Timewave theories:

OTRH: McKenna's Fractal Soliton of Improbability 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSo8yB2qq4I

OTRH: McKenna's Fractal Soliton of Improbability 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYp2GUtPEd4

OTRH: McKenna's Fractal Soliton of Improbability 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4MPs05t7WQ

- SMiles

Interesting...I'd never heard that. Here's the blog mentioned and here's the Future Hi Media Page although I'm not sure which talk it is where he expounds this.

Yeah, it wasn't immediately obvious to me which audio file he was talking about but it is the one he mentions:

“The Rites of Spring” part 1
http://futurehi.net/media/McKenna_The_R ... ng_1-A.mp3

“The Rites of Spring” part 2
http://futurehi.net/media/McKenna_The_R ... ng_1-B.mp3


McKenna’s dual world mania
http://dreamflesh.com/blog/2006/09/mcke ... rld-mania/

The Great Timestream Bifurcation by Terence McKenna
Originally appeared in Psychedelic Illuminations #6
http://deoxy.org/t_timebi.htm

Both above quotes from here:

Reality shift (time/event bump) just ahead
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[JackRiddler]

dada, you've redeemed the Duncan Dune books! And here I stopped forever at God Emperor, saying: enough! But damned if it's not in memory. (Of course, if I go back and reread the whole series, I'll discover it's different - and there is only one goddamn explanation for that!)
==
The movie is also I ever consumed and it was definitely about an interview with THE damn vampire who was the interview subject.

[norton ash]

It's Interview with the Vampire. Read the book, saw the movie.