10 movie suggestions.

by **slimmouse** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:00 pm

Just read this feature via the truthseeker; Hollywood mogul Steven Spielberg's latest film "Munich" focuses on Israel's efforts to avenge the tragic killings of its athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. Although the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is ripe with great ideas for potential blockbuster films, Hollywood flicks about the conflict have tended to remain formulaic and dehumanizing. Spielberg hopes "Munich" will be different, and claims he didn't want to make "a Charles Bronson movie — good guys vs. bad guys and Jews killing Arabs without any context." Critics say Spielberg is too pro-Israel to make a fair film about the conflict. Imagine for a second it is Opposite Day. Imagine we're in some kind of Twilight Zone parallel universe in which Hollywood gives Arabs and Muslims a fair shake. What kind of movies about the Middle East would we then be chomping Goobers, Junior Mints, and popcorn to at the local twenty screen multiplex? Maybe these movies might actually be made by some of the 125 Palestinian kids Spielberg is giving video cameras to document their lives. Perhaps a talented few will go on to become big-time Hollywood directors. Here are ten potential films — all inspired by actual events — that are just waiting for the magic of Spielberg & his wannabes: 1. King David Hotel: The bombing of the King David Hotel, which served as headquarters of the British administration in Palestine, killed 91 Arabs, Jews, and Brits in 1946. Two future Prime Ministers of Israel, David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin, masterminded the attack. Disguised as Arabs, members of Begin's Irgun placed 350kg of explosives inside the building. In this action-packed thriller, David (Pierce Brosnan) — a British officer ordered to hunt down the killers — falls for Margaret (Uma Thurman), an American journalist working for Life Magazine. But is Margaret really in love or is she a secret Zionist assassin out to stop David in his tracks? The full top ten 'to be made movies' ; <a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3980">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...sp?ID=3980</a>

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:24 pm

Reminder: That website is one of the many anti-semitic sites that carries as much material critical of Israel as possible. The holocaust-denial stuff is hidden in pages behind the more normal looking mainstream material. I got fooled by links to John Pilger which caused me to post links at DU. I got screamed at for "spreading hate" and I had no idea why until I opened up a few more pages there and found the historical revisionism.

by **slimmouse** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>That website is one of the many anti-semitic sites that carries as much material critical of Israel as possible.<hr></blockquote> Fair enough. I just tend to look at the content, and make my own mind up about what is antisemitic and what isnt. Im a big boy now, and I aint throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Speaking of which, Jeff is also on there more than often enough. So it Horses for courses IMO.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:45 pm

I agree ya gets wheat where ya can and ignore the chaff and I don't mean to imply that your referral makes you suspect.. I think there are parapolitics websites set-up with nasty bits sewn in just to discredit the parapolitical information. This is the Chip Berlet school of 'conspiricism' that tries to imply that only the paranoid hateful are suspicious of the government and a cointelpro tactic to smear the unwary and make everyone suspicious of each other. Back to movies: I'm seeing more and more how mainstream movies serve the purposes of psychological warfare themes. For instance, every WWII movie is used to reinforce the idea that the US was a big white hat saving the world from the big Nazi black hat and thus the US must keep bombing the black hat du jour. It is no coinicidence that a movie about Hitler's final days came out as Saddam's trial was coming around. Nor is is it a coincidence that the animated 'Chicken Little' came out as Iraq was looking more and more like Vietnam. I'd love to know who is behind the financing and especially the release timing of many movies because I suspect that alphabet agency influence is involved to serve the 1951 Psychological Strategy Board's "psycho-political" aims. It does look like Spielberg is trying to buck the conventional wisdom about the bogus 'war on terror' and show the hidden history of national figures committing acts of terror/resistance few have ever heard of. Good for him. Even though Oliver Stone's reputation as a suspicious kook is hyped to cover-up whatever he examines, his examination of JFK's murder really did institutionalize public awareness that conspiracy was indeed behind that assassination. I wonder what will be in Stone's movie about 9/11 that is supposedly forthcoming. Will he sneak one over the plate in the disguise of a condolence card? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 1/2/06 8:54 pm

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:22 am

"Speaking of which, Jeff is also on there more than often enough."  Surprised me, too. Truthseeker didn't ask me about that, but since it credits me and links to the site I haven't thought much about it. Though I don't want it to be misunderstood that there's some relationship. I find Truthseeker a mixed bag, with some ugly falsehoods in the mix.

by ir » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:05 am

Oh, not surprising that now someone will try to throw a little antisemitic mud at spielberg. Soon, someone will argue in Israel that this is a proof that Spielberg "helped" the nazis, by making this film. -- In Israel, BIG war on Spielberg by the Mossad thugs, who feel excluded from the usual position of masters of the univserse. There have been threats on him, via internet (Israeli blogs in English); and the entire ol' boys network here (those cocked generals and spies) was drafted to fight the new "enemy of the people", Mr. Spielberg. The level and amount of work invested is unbelievable, given the other priorities this country should have now. They sens "spies" to watch preliminary versions, and it is becoming a farce, but not funny. -- Spielberg needs support from the public, but the last thing he needs is support from Nazi websites or antisemites, who wlil feed right into the Mossad propaganda plan. This movie, Munich, whould become a milestone and not an "incident", namely, the courage to resist governments pressure on art/media. -- His major "crime" according to Mossad thugs, is that he had the audacity to rely on Yuval Aviv, who left with dissent. They hate those people more than everything, because they fear he will show the light to other co=opted and morally degenrated operatives. the usual method here to deal with these people, if they can outright kill them or lock them up is to spend a of time and money to lobby abroad and force all the press and decision makers to smear that person as "imposter", "crazy", "chronic liar".

by **anotherdrew** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:49 am

ir- perhaps you could start a new thead about this, but I'd like to ask you about the "noahide" (that's spelled wrong, but you know what I mean?) movement and how it is percived in Israel. What historical pecedent is there for any such identification?

by ir » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:12 am

<a href="http://www.bnainoach.com/tiki-index.php">www.bnainoach.com/tiki-index.php</a> I never heard of it, till now (thanks!). I googled around, found the usual crackpots..chabad and some hallucinating right wingers in Jerusalem. It is mostly a Southern USA phenomenon (of at most 20,000 people). These are right wing christian fundamentalists who don't like being part of the church, and so they became Noahides. Basically, Judaism makes distinctions among various non Jewish belief systems. "good none Jews" are those who perform the 7 precepts of Noah, (a little less than the 10 commandments and certainly not the 613 additional precepts added to Judaism by Talmud). Basically, these are belief systems that are not idolatrous and not murderous cults/pagans (of old times). This has nothing to do with the crackpots who now call themselves Noahides and actually make up a new religion, in between Christianity and Judaism. The only problem I see is that these people, who were influenced by Chabad (a CULT), have money and reps in Congress/Senate/White house,so they can give money to fanatic settlers and right wingers in Israel for the "redemption" of Zion from the Arabs. It looks like a CIA hoax. -- other community of some size exists in the Ukraine. And lastly, the local rabbi in Israel who is "into it" is now publishing his stuff in persian/Arabic to convince the moslems of something. He said to the newspaper he asked the "department of psy-warfare" in the IDF to assist him to publish and distribute in Persian, but the refused. He actually said that. -- Mind you, strictly saying, Judaism is strongly against and prohibits any ACT OF MISSIONARY work of any kind, this included. So, since Chabad is not exactly a normal Jewish group, they are doing missionary work, for political and financial reasons, mainly, enhancing business in the USA and meddling with Israeli politics, although most of them DO NOT live here. They are also known to be sayaanim for Mossad ops, when needed, which is why the rest of their crap is tolerated. The Orthodox rabbis call Chabad "the cult, closest to Judaism". Jokingly, but not really. It is a CULT, with all the implications, including all those missionary funny business with similar people in the Bible Belt. I wish the police investigated those groups in terms of how they raise their children, and how the recruit groupies.

by **scollon** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:40 am

isn't anti-semitic, it's a belief about a historical event. Two years ago my local library had a display of ww II related books including a book about revisionist david Irving's (half Jewish I believe) libel trial . It was written from the standpoint of the Lipstadt/Penguin side who Irving had accused of besmirching his reputation by calling him a racist, nazi apologist and sympathiser Irving lost the case (quite rightly in my opinion because the judge said he was all the things he was accused of). No problem for me. However both sides used the trial to showcase their side of the debate (the judge shouldn't have allowed it). In my view the extremely expensive (Speilberg amongst others sponsored ) pro Holocaust argument was paper thin. and not remotely convicing That's why there is such a totally hysterical need to suppress the truth and even a real anti-semite like Mel Gibson has to bite his lip and say there were 6 million Jews killed, notwithstanding that the official figure today would be at least 2 million less than that. I followed up with this video in which a Jewish movie maker interviews Auschwitz museum Curator Dr Piper who admits the 'gas chambers' were built after the war and they had to invent the design from "witness statements" as there were no plans. <a href="http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv">vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv</a> By the way, I am aware of certain attitudes here but as you are collectively no more than some dots on a screen and even if you weren't I wouldn't care what you said about me anyway. So my take on it - Hitler was trying to create a giant Jewish slave labour encampment in Poland (which already had a very large Jewish population) . To move Jews so far across Europe to a foreign country just to kill them would be dangerous, expensive and dumb. A giant Jewish slave labour encampment in Poland is extremely evil, but maybe not quite evil enough to steal a whole country (Palestine) - who knows ? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/3/06 7:52 am

by **scollon** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:10 am

Sorry, the argument (from memory) went roughly like Irvine : "There is no physical evidence either at the alleged sites or any documents that suggest a deliberate mass extermination policy". He admitted that a small number of Jews had been gassed in trucks (exhaust fumes) near Treblinka. Lipstadt "The nazis tried to hide the facts from each other and used euphemisms for the 'final solution' in their documents. Extermination can be inferred from cremation ovens ordered from German manufacturers beyond what would have been needed. No doubt Irving brought the case to present this to the world despite losing a fortune in legal fees for the other side.

by ir » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:46 am

The rubbish you just posted is hate speech, and offensive (hope it is deleted or editted by you, voluntarily, or fire pitted soon). Although I am against censorship, this exceeds my sensibilities , mainly because i question your motives to prove that it is "only" 2 millions and not anything else. Testimony about the gas chambers is all over, from people who have been there. -- This "argument" colors your "concern" for justice in the Middle East as a fetish with Jews, and not interest in peace. I felt you are writing pornography in a board that I truly like. shame. be gone please, with your academic perversions... -- i retract my free speech position, these issues should entail a life imprisonment during which a person like you will have plenty of time to read the literature and will spare me the agony of feeling sick to my stomach so early in the new year. You know, for me to feel safe around the world, and free the occupied land of Palestine as you so wish, people like you should be gagged and preferably shipped to the moon, to inhabit your own colonies, juden-rein. Natually, with no Jews to blame, they will start picking on those with freckles, and I hope you have many of those...

by **scollon** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:01 pm

"you should be gagged and preferably shipped to the moon" Not exterminated then ? Will we be able to work ? I said four million, not two because that what the official figures from Auschwitz say at the entrance today (1.5, not 4 million as originally estimated). I have no concern for justice in the middle east beyond the fact the whole world is being drawn into WW III to keep the Anglo American Zionist oil machine running. It does seem to everyone I have ever spoken to that Israel is a vicious, racist criminal enterprise. I tend to move in very (extreme by American standards) left circles (think George Galloway) and I don't know any anti-semites. There's no point in getting hysterical, I only expressed an opinion based on the reading of a book. Do you think Jews will be killed now if people believed they weren't in the past or what other silly nonsense is it you wish to invent ? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/3/06 9:05 am

by **scollon** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:15 pm

<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/auschwitz">www.answers.com/topic/auschwitz</a> Auschwitz is the name loosely used to identify three main Nazi German concentration camps and 45-50 sub-camps. The name is derived from the Germanized form of the nearby Polish town of Oœwiêcim, situated about 60 km southwest of Krakow. Beginning in 1940, Nazi Germany built several concentration camps and an extermination camp in the area, which at the time had been annexed by Nazi Germany. The camps were a major constituent of the Holocaust. The three main camps were: Auschwitz I, the original concentration camp which served as the administrative centre for the whole complex, and was the site of the deaths of roughly 70,000 Polish intellectuals, gay men and Soviet Prisoners of War Auschwitz II (Birkenau), an extermination camp and the site of the deaths of roughly 1 million Jews, 75,000 Poles, gay men and some 19,000 Roma Auschwitz III (Monowitz), which served as a labor camp for the IG Farben company See List of subcamps of Auschwitz for others. The total number of casualties is still under debate, but most modern estimates are around 1-1.5 million. Like all Nazi concentration camps, the Auschwitz camps were operated by Heinrich Himmler's SS. The commandants of the camp were the SS-Obersturmbannführers Rudolf Höß (sometimes transliterated in English as "Hoess") until Summer 1943, and later Arthur Liebehenschel and Richard Baer. Höß provided a detailed description of the camp's workings during his interrogations after the war and also in his autobiography. He was hanged in 1947 in front of the entrance to the crematorium of Auschwitz I. About 700 prisoners attempted to escape from the Auschwitz camps during the years of their operation, with about 300 attempts successful. A common punishment for escape attempts was death by starvation; the families of successful escapees were sometimes arrested and interned in Auschwitz and prominently displayed to deter others

by **scollon** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:29 pm

The reason for my lack of concern for a just solution in Palestine is given the fact that the Jews are there, who is going to move them out again, and where ? Would that be fair to those born there - no. That of course was the plan from the start and the holocaust would be brought up every time anyone was objected which is why it was promoted from being a propaganda tool to a permanent place in history.

by ir » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:34 pm

these were my questions to you, re your suggestion that israeli Jews be shipped to Brittish commonwealth. so, will we - Not be exterminated then ? Will we be able to work ? -- if its me or you, i'd rather the likes of you are gone. But then you are the one that thinks - once the Jews are out of palestine the Anglo American Zionist Oil machine will just fade ? are you insane ? - I'll give you a quick relief from you "missing 2 millions". the definition of "jew" is flexible, and actually it was Hitler who expanded the Jewish people to include clearly those who are not recognized as such by the jews. I would say that probably half were not accounted for in Jewish records, they assimilated, or were not Jews start with (all those with JEwish father or paternal grandfathers/mothers), half siblings, spouses of, and entire families who left judaism centuries ago but were of Jewish ethinicity. I'd say hitler knocked 6 millions Jews in his definition and a whole less Jews in terms of who the Jews saw as ones before the war. After they were killed as "jews", they were welcome to be part of the national memory. Do you find that offensive and not liberal enough ?should the Jews have instead said that those who are not registered as Jews, but were exterminated as such, be ousted from the memorials ? what is your claim, Scollon ? -- If this is what your friends from the radical liberal left are dealing with, you must have no real problems were you live, like unemployment, pollution, poverty and violence. Perhaps you already live on the moon... -- The entire subject is unpleasant, especially since you insist, again, that the Jews are at the root of the Anglo American oil imperialism. Never heard that one before...even during ww2 when the Jews were gasping for gas, this americans didn't exactly change their plans in the Middle East. So what kind of balony are you trying to sell ? -

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spielberg - doing the right thing

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scollon - you are walking on thin ice

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Not exterminated then ? Will we be able to work ?

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