How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:01 pm

I hear you Iam, but I don't think this study necessarily has to address all of your concerns.
Its pretty clear that this method is just one tool in a needed portfolio.

Here is the Abstract for the study-

Optimal bioenergy power generation for climate change mitigation with or without carbon sequestration.

Woolf D1, Lehmann J1,2, Lee DR2,3.

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1Soil and Crop Sciences, School of Integrative Plant Science, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853, USA.
2Atkinson Center for a Sustainable Future, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853, USA.
3Charles H. Dyson School of Applied Economics and Management, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853, USA.

Abstract

Restricting global warming below 2 °C to avoid catastrophic climate change will require atmospheric carbon dioxide removal (CDR). Current integrated assessment models (IAMs) and Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change scenarios assume that CDR within the energy sector would be delivered using bioenergy with carbon capture and storage (BECCS). Although bioenergy-biochar systems (BEBCS) can also deliver CDR, they are not included in any IPCC scenario. Here we show that despite BECCS offering twice the carbon sequestration and bioenergy per unit biomass, BEBCS may allow earlier deployment of CDR at lower carbon prices when long-term improvements in soil fertility offset biochar production costs. At carbon prices above $1,000 Mg-1 C, BECCS is most frequently (P>0.45, calculated as the fraction of Monte Carlo simulations in which BECCS is the most cost effective) the most economic biomass technology for climate-change mitigation. At carbon prices below $1,000 Mg-1 C, BEBCS is the most cost-effective technology only where biochar significantly improves agricultural yields, with pure bioenergy systems being otherwise preferred.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:14 pm

It is wasting money on an unproven technology, which is also a waste of time.

From the abstract:
However, BECCS may be costly and parts of the technology are unproven.


It is competitive with other biomass thermal treatment facilities, but only if the price of carbon stays low.

How Cornell can consider biochar a fertilizer is beyond me. Creating biochar destroys nitrogen present in the pre-treated biomass.

When a community gets lured into contracting with one of these thermal technology developers, their funding will be tied to supporting it for generations, which precludes their investment in any newer, more efficient and cheaper technology, or any other waste management or energy producing technology. It will also keep the attorneys and engineers employed, and paid by the community, preparing permit renewal applications, fighting all opposition and managing to delay necessary ongoing costly maintenance. Also, they do not identify the biomass by its makeup, nor the type of pyrolysis technology used. Or how much energy it creates. Is it enough to sustain is own operation, or is an alternative fuel needed to be burned to create the temperatures necessary for pyrolysis to occur? During start-up and shut-down, is it as efficient in capturing carbon and other pollutants, like dioxins, that form in the flue gases from the chlorine that's present naturally in wood?

It's like taking incinerator ash and selling it to farmers as fertilizer.

It's not a fix; it's a boondoggle.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:05 pm

Its neither a fix, nor a boondoggle.
The Cornell study argues against BECCS - bioenergy with carbon capture and storage,
and promotes BEBCS - bioenergy-biochar systems.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change currently considers BECCS as a remedy,
but not BEBCS.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:17 pm

Also biochar is a fantastic soil amendment and is certainly a "fertilizer" in the truest sense, in that it makes the soil more fertile.

Biochar is recognised as offering a number of benefits for soil health. Many benefits are related to the extremely porous nature of biochar. This structure is found to be very effective at retaining both water and water-soluble nutrients. Soil biologist Elaine Ingham indicates[30] the extreme suitability of biochar as a habitat for many beneficial soil micro organisms. She points out that when pre charged with these beneficial organisms biochar becomes an extremely effective soil amendment promoting good soil, and in turn plant, health.

Biochar has also been shown to reduce leaching of E-coli through sandy soils depending on application rate, feedstock, pyrolysis temperature, soil moisture content, soil texture, and surface properties of the bacteria.[31][32][33]

For plants that require high potash and elevated pH,[34] biochar can be used as a soil amendment to improve yield.

Biochar can improve water quality, reduce soil emissions of greenhouse gases, reduce nutrient leaching, reduce soil acidity, and reduce irrigation and fertilizer requirements.[35] Biochar was also found under certain circumstances to induce plant systemic responses to foliar fungal diseases and to improve plant responses to diseases caused by soilborne pathogens.[36][37][38]

The various impacts of biochar can be dependent on the properties of the biochar,[39] as well as the amount applied,[38] and there is still a lack of knowledge about the important mechanisms and properties.[40] Biochar impact may depend on regional conditions including soil type, soil condition (depleted or healthy), temperature, and humidity.[41] Modest additions of biochar to soil reduce nitrous oxide N
2O emissions by up to 80% and eliminate methane emissions, which are both more potent greenhouse gases than CO2.[42]

Studies have reported positive effects from biochar on crop production in degraded and nutrient–poor soils.[43] Biochar can be designed with specific qualities to target distinct properties of soils.[44] Biochar reduces leaching of critical nutrients, creates a higher crop uptake of nutrients, and provides greater soil availability of nutrients.[45] At 10% levels biochar reduced contaminant levels in plants by up to 80%, while reducing total chlordane and DDX content in the plants by 68 and 79%, respectively.[46] On the other hand, because of its high adsorption capacity, biochar may reduce the efficacy of soil applied pesticides that are needed for weed and pest control.[47][48] High-surface-area biochars may be particularly problematic in this regard; more research into the long-term effects of biochar addition to soil is needed.[47]


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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:20 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:14 pm wrote:It is wasting money on an unproven technology, which is also a waste of time.

From the abstract:
However, BECCS may be costly and parts of the technology are unproven.


It is competitive with other biomass thermal treatment facilities, but only if the price of carbon stays low.

How Cornell can consider biochar a fertilizer is beyond me. Creating biochar destroys nitrogen present in the pre-treated biomass.

When a community gets lured into contracting with one of these thermal technology developers, their funding will be tied to supporting it for generations, which precludes their investment in any newer, more efficient and cheaper technology, or any other waste management or energy producing technology. It will also keep the attorneys and engineers employed, and paid by the community, preparing permit renewal applications, fighting all opposition and managing to delay necessary ongoing costly maintenance. Also, they do not identify the biomass by its makeup, nor the type of pyrolysis technology used. Or how much energy it creates. Is it enough to sustain is own operation, or is an alternative fuel needed to be burned to create the temperatures necessary for pyrolysis to occur? During start-up and shut-down, is it as efficient in capturing carbon and other pollutants, like dioxins, that form in the flue gases from the chlorine that's present naturally in wood?

It's like taking incinerator ash and selling it to farmers as fertilizer.

It's not a fix; it's a boondoggle.


Biochar exists naturally in virtually all forest soils subject to fire.

I am not addressing BECCS.

Learn what wiki can teach you about biochar and soil fertility:

"Biochar is charcoal used as a soil amendment. Like most charcoal, biochar is made from biomass via pyrolysis. Biochar is under investigation as an approach to carbon sequestration to produce negative carbon dioxide emissions.[1] Biochar thus has the potential to help mitigate climate change via carbon sequestration.[2][3][4] Independently, biochar can increase soil fertility of acidic soils (low pH soils), increase agricultural productivity, and provide protection against some foliar and soil-borne diseases.[5] Furthermore, biochar reduces pressure on forests.[6] Biochar is a stable solid, rich in carbon, and can endure in soil for thousands of years.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar

Most tropical forests differ from most temperate forests in that the carbon sink is the vegetation and a thin layer of the soil mantle. Temperate forests differ in that in a mature forest the amount of carbon in the soil approaches the amount of carbon in the above ground biomass. The soil carbon is woody debris in stumps, roots, and fallen trees; dead and alive fungi, bacteria, and other soil flora and fauna; biochar, and humus. Humus, extremely important in soil fertility, is broken down biomass remnants that are resistant to further degradation.

Biomass as fuel is on a cursory view carbon neutral or negative in the general because of the use fossil fuels. But this is only part of the assessment when one looks at forest management and alternative methods of residue disposal. The lust for easy profits can and has diminished any benefit. Biomass energy is not an answer but has good applications for a minor part of the energy future and adaptation to climate change.

edit: oops I had not read Burnt Hill's offerings before submission but am in general agreement.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:13 pm

Look, I am no longer capable of engaging in such technical discussions. Simply put, one takes a live tree and burns it in atmosphere starved of oxygen to create charcoal, which is then placed on the soil as an amendment. Much of the carbon cannot be utilized by plants and because the way it is created, it does not form as does charcoal from natural burning, which does create pockets for beneficial bacteria communities to form. If you put charcoal on your garden, it will remain as charcoal for eons. Ash is what is provides more beneficial.

My information comes from experts on thermal combustion technologies. I really don't care what you believe or that you believe me at all about anything. It is your world now. I'm done trying to convince people about what is good for us all and our environment.

What is sad is that this only competes with other technologies that do not require burning fossil fuels to create energy, and that people here are advocating for an unknown and unproven technology that and quite unnecessary and still creates toxic pollution.

I want clean air, not air filled with more contaminants. I want my tax dollars invested wisely, and not on foolish technologies that create new problems.

Fuck sakes, there's even mercury in your BBQ charcoal briquets.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:57 pm

Carbon sequestration doesn't solve the problems of heavy metals in our ever-expanding number of portable advanced technologies, the toxic mining practices needed to find them, hot methane-leaking arctic permafrost, military chemical-environmental rape, or meat.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:19 pm

Here's the thing.
If there are to be large scale change, it will most likely come under the auspices of the IPCC.
Right now, the IPCC promotes BECCS.
BEBCS is at least 10% better at reducing CO2.
If one is looking for realistic change that can be implemented now, it makes sense to employ
BEBCS as a power generating source.
It is certainly not the only change necessary.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:12 pm

And the IPCC believes waste incineration is a good practice. Which is absurd, because it requires a constant 24 hr input to be financially viable, which encourages communities not to reduce the amount of waste they create, but the opposite.

Norway does not produce enough garbage to operate their waste incinerators, so they import garbage from GB & elsewhere in order to keep them fully operational.

Many communities do not want to operate compost facilities because the organic waste in a landfill creates methane that they capture to burn and sell, which only further increases the carbon footprint. the best thing to do for our environment with landfill produced methane is to flare it off into CO2.

Burnt Hill, "BEBCS is at least 10% better at reducing CO2." Only if the price of carbon credits (trading, not a tax) remains astronomically high. I don't know if you read the article or the abstract you posted, BH, but BEBCS also is used to create power. Combined Heat and Power generation.

The technology is flawed. None have operated successfully in the us in full scale mock-ups, only in sized-down demonstration models. All create pollution. All thermal technologies are a waste of scarce financial resources and do not deliver what's promised.

Just search for "biomass explosion" to read about what nightmares present themselves to communities who have bought a bad bill of goods by investing in such facilities:

https://www.google.com/search?q=biomass+explosion&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Really, we've been through this before.

[Proposals for ‘climate change mitigation’ through large-scale adoption of ‘biochar’ are a dangerous form of geo-engineering based on unfounded claims.
A lobby group (the International Biochar Initiative) made up largely of startup ‘biochar’ and agrofuel companies and academics, many of them with related commercial interests, are behind the push for ‘biochar’. Their extremely bold claims are not founded in scientific understanding.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=402393#p402393


Also, earlier I wrote that ash was most beneficial. I meant to write "potash."

Carbon is essential to most life-forms on earth, an essential elemental mineral, like phosphorous, which the world will exhaust within the next 50 to 100 years. Neither we nor plants can survive without phosphorous.

Lastly, BH, about this "If one is looking for realistic change that can be implemented now, it makes sense to employ BEBCS as a power generating source."

It make no fiscal sense whatsoever to invest many millions of dollars in one such plant that depends upon theory rather than invest in an unproven technology, just as the abstract states.

You seem to be missing the big picture, BH. What's not being said is anything about the millions of hectares this biomass burning technology wants to acquire, for no better purpose than to burn it. And then bury the charcoal, calling it sequestration I understand you naivete.

Adding charcoal (‘biochar’) to the soil has been proposed as a ‘climate change mitigation’ strategy and as a means of regenerating degraded land. Some even claim that this could sequester so much carbon that the Earth could return to pre-industrial carbon dioxide levels, i.e. that all the global warming caused by fossil fuel burning and ecosystem destruction could be reversed. Such large-scale production of charcoal would require many hundreds of millions of hectares of land for biomass production (primarily tree plantations). This is an attempt to manipulate the biosphere and land use on a vast scale in order to alter the global climate, which makes it a form of ‘geo-engineering’.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:39 am

Here's where we should be investing, rather than throwing away our money on undefined and unproven technologies: (Two videos are embedded within the article I was unable to embed here)

Solar Power Capacity Tops Coal for the First Time Ever

by Geoffrey Smith @Geoffreytsmith October 25, 2016, 9:26 AM EDT


China alone installed two wind turbines per hour and 500,000 solar panels a day last year.

Solar power now accounts for more installed capacity than any other form of electricity generation, according to new data out Tuesday.


About half a million solar panels were installed every day around the world last year,” the Paris-based International Energy Agency said in a new report on the renewables sector, as emerging markets in particular bet heavily on green power. China also installed the equivalent of two wind turbines every hour last year.

In total, over half the new power capacity installed last year—153,000 megawatts, or 153 gigawatts—was renewable-sourced. That’s a 15% increase from the previous year, and three-quarters of it came in the shape of wind (66 GW) or solar photo-voltaic (49 GW).

Capacity is what a plant can theoretically produce. Actual generation remains much lower, due to the basic unpredictability of resources such as sunlight and wind. But even on levels of actual generation, the IEA said renewables would close the gap rapidly going forward.

“We are witnessing a transformation of global power markets led by renewables and, as is the case with other fields, the center of gravity for renewable growth is moving to emerging markets,” said Dr. Fatih Birol, the IEA’s executive director.

The IEA said the share of renewables in the generation mix would rise to 28% within six years, from 23% at the end of last year. It raised its forecast for green power output in that timeframe by 13% “due mostly to stronger policy backing in the U.S., China, India and Mexico.”

Another factor expected to help is a continued fall in costs: the IEA reckons the cost of solar PV will fall by a quarter, and the cost of onshore wind will fall by 15%. Lower capital costs mean that an installation can break even with lower load rates.

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While climate change policy plays a large role in countries’ policy choices, especially in the wake of the Paris summit last year, the IEA pointed out that cutting air pollution and diversifying energy supplies are just as important some some countries. In China, in particular, renewables are helped by the fact that overall energy demand is growing rapidly, and renewables are the only option for meeting demand in places where pollution is already a hard constraint.

In China and India, where the fastest growth in green power is expected, it will still cover less than half of the overall increase in electricity demand. By contrast, in developed economies, renewables will grow faster than overall generation.

http://fortune.com/2016/10/25/solar-power-capacity-coal-electricity-generation/
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:56 pm

Yes, exactly, the focus should be on solar, wind, and keeping all else in the ground, not to mention ending plastics and clearcutting. Society needs to be completely restructured around natural materials, zero waste and zero impact, with cities interwoven completely with the natural environment.

One of the biggest jokes of waste incineration and the IPCC is that waste doesn't even combust on its own, it needs timber or coal to fire a plant correctly, along with the above stated continually operating condition.

Waste incinerators are also only ever put in communities of poor and/or non-white people, and all of the largest are in like 90%+ black communities.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:00 pm

:basicsmile
I am not "missing" the big picture Iam, I am addressing a small part of the picture,
as the Cornell study has also clearly stated.
There will be power plants built, billions of dollars will be invested, it is happening right now.
From coal and nuclear to solar and wind.
The improved technology for BEBCS is proven, that is the point.
And it is a net reducer of Carbon Dioxide, that is the big picture.
Investing in BECCS is happening right now, BEBCS is better technology that could readily replace it and benefit the environment.

You make a lot valid points, but not in the context of this argument.

This is not a replacement for solar power, or any renewable energy, no one is suggesting that.

Yes the disenfranchised continue to be taken advantage of, LB.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:56 am

I really don't understand your logic, BH. Even and especially because it is a flawed and extremely expensive and according to the abstract, an unproven technology, you want this to serve as a bridge fuel.

You also buy that burning a tree that is fully mature and inspiring and sequestering carbon more efficiently than we can do and at zero expense, but just burning it enough to eliminate its nitrogen content and leaving only carbonized wood that is not very useful to developing microbial communities that help enrich the soil, and then spread that charcoal over fields and call it sequestration. Then plant a tree and wait 30 to 50 years for it to achieve the same efficient transpiration of the one just burned. But to turn that tree into charcoal, you must spend money on a supplemental fuel, like natural gas, (methane) and millions more to build it and millions more to man and maintain it. Yes, you've done well to raise everyone's taxes in the community chosen to host this nightmare, but you've achieved nothing insofar as combating climate change; in fact you've increased aerosol particulate pollutants that warm our climate most expensively.

Also the abstract clearly says that at today's prices, BEBCS is more the more efficient technology.

Here we show that despite BECCS offering twice the carbon sequestration and bioenergy per unit biomass, BEBCS may allow earlier deployment of CDR at lower carbon prices when long-term improvements in soil fertility offset biochar production costs. At carbon prices above $1,000 Mg−1 C, BECCS is most frequently (P>0.45, calculated as the fraction of Monte Carlo simulations in which BECCS is the most cost effective) the most economic biomass technology for climate-change mitigation. [b]At carbon prices below $1,000 Mg−1 C, BEBCS is the most cost-effective technology only where biochar significantly improves agricultural yields, with pure bioenergy systems being otherwise preferred.[/b]

Again, this is a mathematical model's prediction, not test results from a working model.

We really don't have time to invest in a variety of thermal technologies, which will take 10 to 20 years to build a full scale mock-up and to get it operating.

It's more a scheme of the burner community to foster biomass thermal technologies in order to capitalize on as much of the biomass market as possible and to use the income from the "sequestered carbon" spread on farmers fields for a price, of course, and to the large polluters who would rather continue doing business as usual, with no reduction in their actual emissions through the purchase carbon trading credits. They want to make a killing on the carbon market, but they will do more killing with their poisonous emissions.

What happens to the carbon they cannot sequester? It's exhausted in the flue gases, and into our atmosphere and from there, into our lungs and onto polar snow and ice; good ol' carbon black keeps on warming the world.

They want federal monies to spend on developing their technology

Frankly, it is a waste of time of which we have none to spare and a financial boondoggle that could easily bankrupt any community that buys into this technology.

Burning biomass is a terrible way to boil water to steam in order to power turbines that create electricity.

BECCS achieves a net removal of CO2 from the atmosphere by relying on photosynthesis to fix CO2 and interrupting the natural carbon cycle that would otherwise have rapidly returned this carbon to the atmosphere during respiration or combustion. Instead, BECCS sequesters the photosynthetically fixed carbon as post-combustion CO2 stored in a stable reservoir. However, BECCS may be costly and parts of the technology are unproven.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:05 am

We Don’t Need a ‘War’ on Climate Change, We Need a Revolution

This year is on track to become the hottest ever recorded, and a growing number of environmentalists are using a particular type of language in response. Some are calling for a huge “mobilization” to “combat” climate change. In an article in the New Republic in August, Bill McKibben, the unofficial spokesperson of the climate movement in the United States, insisted in very literal terms that, we are at war with climate change.

In the United States, we are familiar with war metaphors; and they are often politically useful. We have been through wars on poverty, drugs, cancer and even Christmas. In these cases, metaphors are understood as metaphors, but when McKibben points to territory ceded, space invaded, cultural loss and human suffering, he intends to be taken at face value: “It’s not that global warming is like a world war,” he writes. “It is a world war.”

War rhetoric serves a valuable function. It stresses the seriousness of the harm, its structural nature and the need to struggle against it. Wars require people to sacrifice and to share responsibility for a joint effort larger than individual preferences and comforts. They can also motivate solidarity: The goal of defeating the enemy orients all activity, and whatever may divide or distract us from achieving that goal must be put aside. In the rhetoric-bag of political discourse, “war” is a forceful weapon.

McKibben is one of the most visible and motivating climate activists in North America. He has written an astounding number of influential articles and books, co-founded an organization leading an international fossil fuel divestment campaign, spoken across the country to full auditoriums and participated in high-profile protests, some leading to his arrest. Most recently, he called on all of us to unite with the Standing Rock Sioux against the Dakota Access pipeline. Our goal here is not to attack McKibben so much as the rhetorical strategy that he, along with others, have made increasingly popular.

The idea that climate change is a war is inaccurate, and a potentially counterproductive frame for organizing the resistance needed to secure a habitable planet. By stressing existential threat, war tends to divide the world into allies and enemies, against whom we need to risk all. McKibben insists that climate change is “a world war aimed at us all.” But aimed by whom? It is variably polluting industries, tepid or two-faced politicians, our own political passivity, and even the laws of physics. McKibben often writes as if nature itself was a bellicose agent.

This approach ignores the environmental movement’s earlier rhetorical and organizational strengths. As a political force, the movement grew from roots in the nonviolent soil of civil rights struggles, and was radicalized in antiwar protests and resistance against nuclear weapons. This legacy is not merely historical: it is alive and well in the language and action of ongoing resistance at Standing Rock.

Another problem with deploying such war metaphors is that doing so assumes a distinction between allies and enemies that disguises the unequal effects felt by “us all.” McKibben, to his credit, does recognize this.

For instance, he admits that the “first victims, ironically, are those who have done the least to cause the crisis.” Here he refers to the world’s poor, who have contributed only a small amount of the total greenhouse gases while richer countries produce higher carbon emissions. And some even benefit from doing so. The affluent enjoy “cheap” fuel and other products of industry, and shareholders profit from such sales.

Meanwhile, the most recent International Panel on Climate Change report notes that the poor and marginalized face greater food scarcity and price insecurity, and the threat of violent conflict connected to this instability. In actual war, too, the poorest and marginalized often find themselves on the front lines while the richer are insulated or even benefit; McKibben himself explains how this was true of United States industrialists during World War II.

In other words, the first victims are not suffering from the relentless assault of the physical environment alone, but of other humans who leverage their social position to displace wider costs and extract private benefits. Given McKibben’s dedication to protests like the one at Standing Rock reservation, he is well aware of these forces.

Humans are already divided into different groups or classes, with relative advantages and vulnerabilities. Climate change exacerbates this inequality, and our rhetoric ought to reflect this fact and resist false universalizations. Beyond the inherent injustice of disproportionate and unnecessary suffering, growing environmental inequality tends to the violences of displacement, resource-competition and actual war.

One thing we all share is that we secure existence in and through a relationship with our environment — all living things do. In recognition of this fact, Marx thought of the human body as part of the natural world and called nature an extension of our bodies. Following Marx, contemporary theorists like Jason Moore and John Bellamy Foster describe our changing, and dangerously unstable metabolic relationship with nature. Humans are a unique species in that we form complex relationships to regulate this metabolism as we produce our food, water, shelter and more robust needs.

As these relationships are organized today, and as the climate changes, the affluent can afford an increase in food prices, ship in bottled water during droughts and relocate businesses and homes when the seas rise, while those without access to such privileges have fewer options and disproportionately suffer.

What would winning a “war” against climate change even look like? McKibben suggests a huge mobilization to produce green technologies, solar panels, wind turbines and electric cars. He cites the public seizure and transformation of private factories during World War II that enabled the United States to produce bombers and other instruments that helped win the war.

Certainly greener technologies can help, but solar panels won’t purify Flint’s lead-ridden water or lower asthma rates in the Bronx, some of the highest in the country because of the proximity to trucking lanes. Technology alone can’t address the environmental injustice disproportionately confronting minorities. However, if we understand that the enemy is not our physical environment, but the unjust social relations that allow some to gain at the expense of and risk to others, then technological solutions can be a part, but only a part, of the plan. Crucial to this plan is gaining social control over the private, exploitative and even irresponsible direction of the human-nature metabolism.

For this reason, Naomi Klein has called for solutions that go beyond the technological. She emphasizes, not just green energy, but also “people power.” Her most recent book and film, “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate,” feature a number of grass-roots movements resisting the forces that threaten people’s relationships with their environment — sometimes even in the name of “green” solutions, such as hydroelectric dam projects. We want to follow Klein’s lead in shifting the conceptual focus from technologies of power to relations of power. Despite his recent rhetoric, McKibben follows a similar course.

We urgently need to motivate action, but given the ambiguities and dangers surrounding war rhetoric, we need better orienting language. Perhaps, as some have suggested, “revolution” is the better path.

While world wars aim to decimate enemies and their capacities for violence, “revolutions” aim to transform violence and oppression by empowering people. Instead of a war against physics, a revolution in the control and direction of climate, natural resources and energy policy could enable democratic participation to redress past harms and guide environmental goals of the future. Such a revolution would affirm the right to a clean, healthy environment for all people; it would transform the relationships that regulate our metabolism with nature, relationships that now allow some to profit by denying this right to others. Solar panels alone won’t transform these relationships and secure this right.

McKibben worries that if the United States does not take the lead, China, already a significant developer of renewable energy, would win the renewables race. In this way American exceptionalism and national chauvinism lurks beneath the surface of so many universalist stances.

Like the arms races and technology gaps characteristic of the nearly catastrophic Cold War, such a national frame reinforces an us-versus-them mentality which reduces rather fosters much needed international coordination and popular organization. After all, even if we stop emitting today or if our renewable sector takes the lead, the world will continue to warm. A wider vision of global cooperation in which China, the United States and so many others work hand in hand to confront the global environmental challenges should supplant the narrow focus on American leadership. But is this likely within the context of nationalist war rhetoric?

“Revolution” can be just as motivating as “war,” but a green revolution would center the human-nature metabolism over and against the drive for profits. It would answer the question McKibben leaves open, namely, how we get from green technology to more just ecological and social relations.


In this light, Exxon and its climate science obfuscation is not so much an enemy as a paradigmatic symptom of the worst kinds of behavior generated by profit-driven systems. The enemy is the violence perpetrated by racial, gendered, political, juridical and existing economic metabolisms with nature. Their exploitative organizations would remain unconcerned with climate justice even if the nation were mobilized to mass produce solar panels and wind turbines. In other words, Climate change demands not only a race to develop and deploy new energy technologies, but a revolution to democratize all forms of power — fossil fuels, wind, solar, but most important, economic and political power.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:40 am

^^^^ Indeed.

The "another tool for the toolbox," really breaks me up! The tools in toolboxes of promoters of thermal technologies are all Whitworths.
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