What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:30 pm

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g28970-d940774-Reviews-or30-Comet_Ping_Pong-Washington_DC_District_of_Columbia.html#REVIEWS

Trip Advisor fwiw.
None of the reviews mention a den of iniquity.
The pizza sounds good.
omg what have I said?
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:49 pm

Luther Blissett » 15 Nov 2016 17:25 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:44 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » 15 Nov 2016 16:39 wrote:I just realized that this thread was talking about the famed punk venue Comet Ping Pong, not Comet Pizza as it was called so many times in this thread. This was pointed out to me by a DC friend who was alerted to this kerfuffle via some more mainstream sources now.


It is the same place. But, yes, the name is Comet Ping Pong. "Famed punk venue"? Is that what genre it is, the bands featured in the pedo-satanic posters? Punk? Must be a pretty obscure subgenre. Have you seen the posters?

Which mainstream sources?


No I haven't seen the posters. But I've been seeing DC-area friends going to shows there to see bands on the same tours I'm seeing, though my tastes tend a lot more towards indie rock / indie pop. I know I saw Speedy Ortiz on the same tour when they were headed there or had just come from there.

Washington City Paper was the link.


Well, do some link-clicking, and look at them.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:02 pm

FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:49 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » 15 Nov 2016 17:25 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:44 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » 15 Nov 2016 16:39 wrote:I just realized that this thread was talking about the famed punk venue Comet Ping Pong, not Comet Pizza as it was called so many times in this thread. This was pointed out to me by a DC friend who was alerted to this kerfuffle via some more mainstream sources now.


It is the same place. But, yes, the name is Comet Ping Pong. "Famed punk venue"? Is that what genre it is, the bands featured in the pedo-satanic posters? Punk? Must be a pretty obscure subgenre. Have you seen the posters?

Which mainstream sources?


No I haven't seen the posters. But I've been seeing DC-area friends going to shows there to see bands on the same tours I'm seeing, though my tastes tend a lot more towards indie rock / indie pop. I know I saw Speedy Ortiz on the same tour when they were headed there or had just come from there.

Washington City Paper was the link.


Well, do some link-clicking, and look at them.


From their "timeline photos" folder on facebook? I like a lot of these bands, Ringo Deathstarr, Colleen Green, Acid Mothers Temple, Tacocat, TV Girl, Widowspeak, Mykki Blanco, HR from Bad Brains, etc. It's actually a better venue than I thought before. I didn't see anything satanic though. It all looks to be the work of the same two designers.

I'm not misdirecting about this, I'm a major proponent of Franklin truth, Epstein, and believe that some of the language in some of those emails was too unusual to not be code. But between the logo of two crossed ping pong paddles (I can't count the number of times I've had to design something with two crossed tennis rackets, boat oars, hockey sticks, etc. - it's the standard unimaginative visual cliche for olympic-type sports) and the "secret doors" that are just doors and the risque wallpaper (another cliche in like half the restaurants I go to) I'm not sure about Comet Ping Pong. I don't think the evidence is there yet.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby guruilla » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:41 pm

More stuff from my Faceborg feed:

It should be noted that the City Paper also hosts a video "story" where they harass a vocal critic of Comet Ping-Pong. And maybe it's a reach but:

City Paper
Comet Ping-Pong
"Cheese Pizza"
and I don't have to tell you what else C.P. stands for.


"The owner of Comet Ping Pong is James Alefantis who is, for some reason, ranked #49 in the top 50 ‘Most Powerful People in Washington’ of GQ magazine."


Article in which Frank Winstead calls out Comet for "rape and murder" :

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfis ... _at_p.html

Video FW shot of Comet, citing a traffic hazard, with overblown comments from may be "pizza enthusiasts" and spooky audio:



City Paper "story" where they big him at home for kicking the hornet's net:

It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:46 pm

From their "timeline photos" folder on facebook? I like a lot of these bands, Ringo Deathstarr, Colleen Green, Acid Mothers Temple, Tacocat, TV Girl, Widowspeak, Mykki Blanco, HR from Bad Brains, etc. It's actually a better venue than I thought before. I didn't see anything satanic though. It all looks to be the work of the same two designers.

I'm not misdirecting about this, I'm a major proponent of Franklin truth, Epstein, and believe that some of the language in some of those emails was too unusual to not be code. But between the logo of two crossed ping pong paddles (I can't count the number of times I've had to design something with two crossed tennis rackets, boat oars, hockey sticks, etc. - it's the standard unimaginative visual cliche for olympic-type sports) and the "secret doors" that are just doors and the risque wallpaper (another cliche in like half the restaurants I go to) I'm not sure about Comet Ping Pong. I don't think the evidence is there yet.


You saw the Heavy Breathing posters, too?

You know, I can understand where maybe these posters would just be some cathartic transgressive posturing by and for disturbed people who have atrocious taste in music. But if you are not profoundly weirded out by this same venue also being what is essentially an informal private daycare center, then I don't know what to say.

How about this. Imagine this: Lawrence King in the 1980's owns a pizza shop that has ping pong in the back for kids, even a table outside to help interest curious kids walking by, and some of the kids stay there late into the evening, and there are posters like that, plus creepy art like the painting of somebody holding a bodyless head, in the back room where the ping pong happens, and the bathrooms are hidden seamlessly, and the Instagr...uh, newsletter for the place has pictures of things like a little girl taped by her arms to a table, and there are pictures of weird digging in the basement accompanied by jokes about a "kill room", plus pizza-themed porn images, plus some mention in the back of the newsletter about child coffins, plus it hosts parties for ultra-powerful DC insiders some of whom have a very sick taste in art collecting. The suspects are all Republicans. What is your impression of the place and proprietor and clientele, in this scenario?
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby guruilla » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:10 pm

I confess to not understanding the arguments for lack of evidence. In terms of specific crimes with specific perps and a trial, maybe, but RI isn't a courtroom and what's under examination isn't one specific individual or one single crime but a location where indeterminate number of people have been either committing or complicit with an unspecified number of crimes against an unknown number of children.

To say there's a lack of evidence would require an explanation for how or why a whole lot of evidence (much of which is at this thread) is NOT evidence. Part of the problem is that many or most of the evidence is inconclusive taken on its own, but has an accumulative power. Majestic Ape making jokes with her audience about pedophilia isn't conclusive evidence that she or her audience are pedophiles, but it is highly suggestive of something. Add that to a dozen more similar hints & clues, and then a dozen dozen more, and so on, and it becomes beyond reasonable doubt that there's a fire creating all this smoke.

Also, since we already have massive amounts of evidence that organized child sexual abuse is part of elite power circles (including the music industry & art scene in general), this current case can surely be ~ I would say has to be ~ placed in that context?

Meanwhile (and no, I am not presenting this of evidence, exactly, but possibly as weirdly (in)appropriate bit of kid-propaganda), I just came across this:

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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:27 pm

Well who needs Alex Jones when you have guru's Pedo Planet? :eeyaa
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:35 pm

Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:27 wrote:Well who needs Alex Jones when you have guru's Pedo Planet? :eeyaa


1) This is not what I think of as an appropriate topic for that kind of flippant snark. 2) If you are going to play the role of reflexive debunker, then please try harder.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Harvey » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:52 pm

You're all over thinking this.

What experience, emotion, concepts and ideas does the art seek to elicit/celebrate/legitimise/normalise? Point one.

What does the self evident code in the emails refer to if not a ridiculous attitude to pizza? Point two.

How does one create an airtight community, the exposure of which by anyone on the inside is Mutually Assured Destruction? The outcome of which is that people do not recognise the sovereignty of the other, the other is simply a barrier to the fulfilment of immanent desire.

And for the more imaginative, how does one mass produce a morality outside all mundane boundaries? (One that might service and satisfy MIC demands, for example.) How might one think about others from such a perspective?

What has to happen for such a possibility to be actualized? What would it look like from the outside?

You're looking at the answers. Communities literally sculpting themselves into atrocity to accommodate the demands of power.

The only surprising thing is that no matter how many times this ship hove into view historically, the witnesses unfailingly conspire to forget they saw it. It's just too much hard work to imagine the whole enterprise being attractive to imagine it being possible. That's the wrong way round. Power is attractive, what follows, the mechanics of power, is where most fail to follow through.

Shudders.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:53 pm

FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:35 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:27 wrote:Well who needs Alex Jones when you have guru's Pedo Planet? :eeyaa


1) This is not what I think of as an appropriate topic for that kind of flippant snark. 2) If you are going to play the role of reflexive debunker, then please try harder.

There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:05 pm

Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:53 wrote:There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
:blankstare


Disappeared from a discussion where? Link, please.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:08 pm

FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:05 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:53 wrote:There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
:blankstare


Disappeared from a discussion where? Link, please.

Podesta thread.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:32 pm

Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 20:08 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:05 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:53 wrote:There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
:blankstare


Disappeared from a discussion where? Link, please.

Podesta thread.


Done.

What else?
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:56 pm

FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:32 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 20:08 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:05 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:53 wrote:There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
:blankstare


Disappeared from a discussion where? Link, please.

Podesta thread.


Done.

What else?


Well then stop trying to set up the binary.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:54 pm

Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 20:56 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:32 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 20:08 wrote:
FourthBase » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:05 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » 15 Nov 2016 19:53 wrote:There wasn't any reflexive debunking, nor just flippant snark.
It was a intuitive criticism of guru's broadside.
I offered to go over salient points with you on the other thread, and you quickly disappeared.
While reasonable minds had a fair discussion.
:blankstare


Disappeared from a discussion where? Link, please.

Podesta thread.


Done.

What else?


Well then stop trying to set up the binary.


Okay. Question. What in the hell are you talking about?
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