What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[FourthBase]

the wordpress blog I thought was a better summary than the subreddit.

Luther you and a couple others seem to want to keep returning to the flimsier pieces of evidence

why not re-focus to the most egregious bits? And no, the onus isn't on me to list them

It's funny that "gay boyfriend" would irk somebody more than the grotesque shit involved here (which I've already listed a few examples of upthread - I'm not here to "make the case" since others have already done that and some of you seem to just want to keep returning to the flimsier aspects and ignoring the more disturbing stuff)

Can you link to the wordpress blog? Can everyone start linking to all evidence that they mention in this thread? Because these sources are all a mile long and rummaging for "Besta" and the context for why that matters is not forthcoming or obvious.

The entire summarization at the very top consists almost entirely of the flimsier pieces of evidence? They should revise the summarization in that case.

It's not irking, it's that the author is revealing a weird cognitive bias.

Heavy Breathing is essentially an unknown act compared to 90% of the other better-known acts. I had never heard of them before and I am well up on contemporary music. This is a point of pride for me. They're not well-known because they're weird and off-putting.

The screenshots about "everyone" associated with the business does not actually portray "everyone." Some fairly disgusting language used by "a handful" of individuals, sure. Saying "everyone" is factually incorrect.

Something is seriously wrong with you.

[FourthBase]

Posting this for the new page, without your image spam.

Trying to re-read the subreddit post again and realize I take issue with a lot starting right in the brief up top.

former gay boyfriend

Not just saying "ex-boyfriend" already gives this a bit of a hissing homophobic tone. Correct the Record is shit because it attacked the left almost as much as the (farther) right and so the connection is damning in my eyes but I ain't here for "former gay boyfriend."

Given the subject, are you really going to give a shit and tone-police about that? Really?

It is a dive

It is not a dive.

It sure tries to look like a dive, though. Shabby chic. Looks at the walls where the patrons eat. Intentionally shabby, no?

has hidden bathroom doors and creepy murals

It has neither and unless one is a philistine it just has murals.

Okay, stop.

It MOST CERTAINLY FUCKING DOES. Are you blind? Are you just relying on your friends' word? Have you actually looked at anything yet? "Mural" may not be the technical term of art, but it definitely has/had creepy big paintings, right where the ping pong tables are, of people holding disembodied heads.

Their menu include a pedophilic symbol

Also incorrect. The logotype contains two crossed ping pong paddles. As I mentioned earlier, this is a visual trope in design, especially in athletics. I myself have made multiple logos for a rowing team using crossed oars and a tennis club using crossed rackets. In neither case was I designing a "pedophilic symbol" for the groups of people. They didn't even bring it up during the meeting! Boy was I duped.

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There are tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of these. Jocks tend not to have a lot of imagination.

You are pulling the same shit Burnt Hill was before, picking the least credible/suspicious thing out of 100+ fucking things and boy did you decide to hammer that one home. Why? How about the Besta logo.

The music acts and the posters promoting same acts are bizarre in their presentation, content, and lyrical focus

I see a lot of feminist and women-fronted indie pop / indie rock acts. Speedy Ortiz in particular are probably one of the better-known acts and became famous for their anti-rape / anti-sexual assault at shows public stance. Now, calling this genre "bizarre," I'm starting to see a pattern emerge with the language used earlier: "former gay boyfriend."

Remind us, did you ever see Heavy Breathing?

Everyone associated with the business is making semi-overt, semi-tongue-in-cheek, and semi-sarcastic inferences towards sex with minors.

Really? This is stated, but presented without evidence. So, really? I'm willing to listen, but it seems highly improbable.

It's documented in a big batch of screenshots. You are either playing dumb for some unknown reason, or you literally have not looked at any of the evidence. Either way, as far as I see it, this post of yours has crippled your credibility. You should be ashamed of yourself.

That's it for the "In brief" section. If this is the summarization, the majority of the presuppositions are incorrect.

The following section, about Epstein, Franklin, Finders, Dutroux, etc., that's all good.

No, they are not incorrect.

AGAIN: IF YOU HAVE NOT YET READ THE SUMMARY, THEN READ IT FOR YOURSELF. BECAUSE LUTHER, BURNT HILL, AND OP ED ARE NOT REPRESENTING IT IN EVEN A REMOTELY ACCURATE WAY.

[tapitsbo]

People are afraid to talk about the more damning and weird stuff.

That's why you see the more tangential stuff on the reddit. Of course any reddit/chan threads on this topic are now being spammed to death by "debunkers" telling everyone they're all suffering from psychotic apophenia.

[Luther Blissett]

I'm currently searching for potentially connected missing persons cases in the DC area or survivor's accounts.

[RocketMan]

Luther, have you gone through the Reddit summaries?

I can see why this would make one want to look the other way and rationalize away... but like MayDay said, the energy around the whole thing is positively putrid. And, frankly, the shamelessness about it all, especially in the Instagram posts, archived after the account was made private, is really something else.

I'm taking a walk now. Need some oxygen.

Infant described as a #hotard, a portmanteau of "whore" and "retard"

I mean this... this is what we're dealing with here.

[MayDay]

Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain

[MayDay]

I take issue with what's mentioned above, being a happily out gay boy. But still. This is real. The energy associated with it reeks of putrid decay. Don't touch it with a ten foot pole. Hope it breaks into open awareness, but don't draw their attention by being an early-adapter.

You have now mentioned twice that this is serious. Do you know something we don't know?

I'm psychic as fuck, lol.

[MayDay]

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[Luther Blissett]

Luther, have you gone through the Reddit summaries?

I can see why this would make one want to look the other way and rationalize away... but like MayDay said, the energy around the whole thing is positively putrid. And, frankly, the shamelessness about it all, especially in the Instagram posts, archived after the account was made private, is really something else.

I'm taking a walk now. Need some oxygen.

Infant described as a #hotard, a portmanteau of "whore" and "retard"

I mean this... this is what we're dealing with here.

I'm reading the subreddit sorted in "hot" order now. If there's a specific summary you want me to read, I will. While I'm thoroughly creeped out, I'm still in search of a survivor account or a victim.

There is a thread on Cathy O'Brien.

[Project Willow]

Survivors who recount abuse and attacks in the DC area by powerful elites.

No small number recounted to me during the election, an official connected to Clinton, as well as a former president, who abused them as kids in the 1970's, but none would feel safe making these claims public.

There is a thread here on RI from several years ago where another survivor mentions the official, who is rather notorious in our circles. The revelation was not received well. I will not type his name, but there was an article published a few years ago describing how the Clintons and this official's family spend the Christmas holidays together. To my mind, this suggests that the Clintons rank very high in the most powerful RA practicing network in the nation.

This is truly a world of shadows and privately whispered remembrances. It can be no other way at this point, there is no underground railroad, no safe houses, for current or former elite trafficking victims.

[OP ED]

Thanks PW, but that doesn't help me find the thread. Clinton related crimes are too numerous here. My searching returns hundreds of threads, and being more specific isn't helping.

I will keep looking though.

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And brjeezus FB, not everyone who fails to see what you see is full of shit. Those links are crap, and off-putting to a lot of us. There's too much spamming and nonsense to sift through. I don't have the luxury of infinite time to stare at a screen while scrolling through personal insults and garbage. If I had a desk job maybe I could do this and pretend to be working, but the noise ratio here is absurd.

[RocketMan]

Survivors who recount abuse and attacks in the DC area by powerful elites.

No small number recounted to me during the election, an official connected to Clinton, as well as a former president, who abused them as kids in the 1970's, but none would feel safe making these claims public.

There is a thread here on RI from several years ago where another survivor mentions the official, who is rather notorious in our circles. The revelation was not received well. I will not type his name, but there was an article published a few years ago describing how the Clintons and this official's family spend the Christmas holidays together. To my mind, this suggests that the Clintons rank very high in the most powerful RA practicing network in the nation.

This is truly a world of shadows and privately whispered remembrances. It can be no other way at this point, there is no underground railroad, no safe houses, for current or former elite trafficking victims.

Heinz ketchup, the favourite of also the current secretary of state. To be cryptic.

[Harvey]

I'm currently searching for potentially connected missing persons cases in the DC area or survivor's accounts.

Thinking out loud on that theme, who among the persons of interest own (or have access to) private jets, are flight itineraries available, where do they regularly fly to, which airports, what are the security arrangements at those airports, is it possible to drive right up to an aircraft in a van, people mover, limousine etc? Missing persons reports in areas nearby to those locations etc.

Any of them fly to Mexico regularly?

[Project Willow]

Heinz ketchup, the favourite of also the current secretary of state. To be cryptic.

[Luther Blissett]

I'm currently searching for potentially connected missing persons cases in the DC area or survivor's accounts.

Thinking out loud on that theme, who among the persons of interest own (or have access to) private jets, are flight itineraries available, where do they regularly fly to, which airports, what are the security arrangements at those airports, is it possible to drive right up to an aircraft in a van, people mover, limousine etc? Missing persons reports in areas nearby to those locations etc.

Any of them fly to Mexico regularly?

I mean the possibilities are endless. There are an unfathomable number of missing persons cases at all times.