Exclusive Stein just called Green Party filing for recount

[justdrew]

and klayman is now trying to wedge his way in. the circus is on.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I prefer to look at politics as negotiation. It sounds like an open dialogue. Haggling for a better deal. Businessmen negotiate. Cops negotiate to save the life of a hostage. Also you negotiate over an obstacle, or through a difficult path. It's a positive, pro-active word. Compromise sounds like everybody loses. Also integrity is compromised. When something is compromised, it breaks down. It's a negative, reactive word.

Enlightenment isn't at all like it's advertised. It's like staring into the abyss, and seeing your own reflection staring back. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

That's not enlightenment.

Enlightenment is when that happens and you can laugh about it with a light heart.

[Morty]

White House insists hackers didn't sway election, even as recount begins

By Eric Geller

11/26/16 12:09 PM EST


The Obama administration said it has seen no evidence of hackers tampering with the 2016 presidential election, even as recount proceedings began in Wisconsin.

“We stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people,” a senior administration official told POLITICO late Friday.

“The federal government did not observe any increased level of malicious cyber activity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on election day,” the official added. “We believe our elections were free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective.”

Green Party candidate Jill Stein on Friday filed for a recount in Wisconsin and has several days to file for recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, two other states whose results she has called into question, citing hacking fears. The three normally Democratically leaning states were crucial to Donald Trump's victory.

Stein’s campaign began fundraising efforts to file for recounts in those states following a report from New York magazine that said prominent cybersecurity experts were urging Hillary Clinton’s campaign to contest the results there. The leading voting security specialist from that group later clarified that there was no actual evidence of hackers meddling with the vote tallies, and said they were simply encouraging an audit just to be sure.

On Saturday, the Clinton campaign broke its long silence on the issue with a statement from the campaign’s general counsel, Marc Elias.

In a post on Medium, Elias confirmed that independent experts had briefed the campaign on potential irregularities that could be the result of hacking, but he said that ultimately the campaign found no “actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology.”

Still, he said, the campaign is joining Stein’s challenge in Wisconsin and will do the same if she requests recounts in the other states.

The senior Obama administration official reiterated the government’s accusation that Russia had directed its hackers to go after U.S. political organizations and political operatives’ email accounts with the goal of interfering in the election.

Moscow, the official said, “probably expected that publicity surrounding” leaked emails and documents “would raise questions about the integrity of the election process that could have undermined the legitimacy of the president-elect.”

The official had earlier provided the statement to The New York Times.

Hard to know what's going on. Was Barry (above) trying to put the kibosh on a push to throw the election result into doubt? Or is the whole recount thing just a way (a mass psychological measure, a measured psychological massage) of easing tensions and allowing people to climb down from their strongly held positions post election?

[maco144]

Wisconsin is done. PA deadline is missed and not going to happen. Michigan has happened and not going to happen again. Jill just ran off with 6 million dollars from ignorant idealists and whomever had the bot network to source her 160k an hour. Time to move on.

What the fuck makes an idealist "ignorant?" Idealism, I have always associated with "the greater good". Stein gave it a good shot. Explain what is going on in the Wide World of Sports in your head. I did not vote for Clinton but support anything that keeps trump away from ever having to see or hear him again. I don't give a fuck at this point. But the idealism lives on.

I seriously don't know what you could possibly think about "idealism" being "ignorant". Well, off to the star party, after a flight with meaningless science fact in order to navigate the plane to get me there. I will report your truth back. The party is being held on the very edge. Usually they hold the parties somewhat away from the edge because it is so dangerous, as one could fall off.

I ideally hope Delta keeps my telescope safe.

I cannot recall if I have ever read an post of any substance from you as all you do is respond to me with your globe ignorance. Your ad hominem attacks makes you blind to any rationality I provide on other subjects. Go reopen the flat earth thread with your attacks against me on that subject. Your are clearly dense if you're still making reference to an edge, so I will continue to educate you and any takers on why the globe model is retarded and geocentricism is the truth. Please, go post - I don't think you have the intellect to provide a single, clear globe truth -- if you weren't ruled by your ego that should set off massive alarms that you cant prove the model of the world you think you live on. So, until you have shown you are incapable of responding with resulting to childishness you will get nothing back from me.

[seemslikeadream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsYa6jFRoY

[82_28]

Bro (sis?) this is not a pissing contest. What part of giving you shit for your wacky ideas do you not understand? I do not dwell here to argue. Rest assured, though, you will always get shit though for your impassioned flat Earth bullshit. I will go at it nonstop, in fact. I love any ol' theory there is. I am hella open minded. I actually toiled with how to respond to you. Be crazy ass dick or be sarcastic? I blended the two choices. You are the one who does not get it. I never tell someone they are patently wrong, but I leave an exception for you.

The Earth is not "flat" and idealists are not ignorant. Next up? Also, please do not insult me because I will have to get suspended for going completely lame on you.

At least you could laugh a bit at my joke. If not, you are the one who does not get it.

A: Earth not flat
B: Idealists not ignorant

Bear in mind, you are the one that made an issue out of both assertions. I will go toe to toe with any troll though, so keep that in mind. I also have never trolled anyone in my 20+ years of Internet use. You're a troll, chief. Prove you're not.

[seemslikeadream]

I'll be the crazy ass dick and you can be the sarcastic one

and what I can tell from maco Flat Earthers are really mean people

maco144 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:18 pm wrote:
Old guard of this forum really exposes how 'rigorous' their approach is when it comes to flat earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCm36nn5yo

[Iamwhomiam]

I cannot recall if I have ever read an post of any substance from you as all you do is respond to me with your globe ignorance. Your ad hominem attacks makes you blind to any rationality I provide on other subjects. Go reopen the flat earth thread with your attacks against me on that subject. Your are clearly dense if you're still making reference to an edge, so I will continue to educate you and any takers on why the globe model is retarded and geocentricism is the truth. Please, go post - I don't think you have the intellect to provide a single, clear globe truth -- if you weren't ruled by your ego that should set off massive alarms that you cant prove the model of the world you think you live on. So, until you have shown you are incapable of responding with resulting to childishness you will get nothing back from me.

The second bit set in bold typeface I've added.

Tell me maco, how does one without ego communicate?

Would it require "ego" to criticize not the person who proved your prior comment entirely misguided and wrong, but another who simply asked "What the fuck makes an idealist "ignorant?" and stated, "I seriously don't know what you could possibly think about "idealism" being "ignorant". "

Neither do I understand what seems to me to be your understanding of "idealism being "ignorant." How can idealism be ignorant, if it's ideal?

Btw, "geocentricism" is not a word.

Geocentrism would be the correct word to use, if you don't want to appear ignorant.

[seemslikeadream]

He doesn't want to appear ignorant.....he just can't help it

Maco144 has gotta be a troll shining us on. Nobody is this .... dumb. And still able to write sentences and stuff.

I don't think I'm defending Mr. 144 so much as highlighting an eminently teachable moment, here.

He's not dumb, he's convinced.

[seemslikeadream]

Recount? Why Not.
This election is more than sketchy enough to warrant it.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
NOV 28, 2016

So, what are we to make of Dr. Jill Stein's multi-state effort to audit/recount the vote in the presidential election? It is not impolite to wonder whether or not this is a way for Stein and the Green Party to finance another campaign in 2020, since she already has said she can't guarantee that all the money she's raised will go specifically to the recount effort. (As I've said, I know her slightly, and I don't think she's simply lining her pockets here.) But, I have to admit, after the president-elect sneaked away with his phone and went bananas on the electric Twitter machine this weekend, I've come around on the notion that at least some kind of effort in this area is worth the trouble.

There's already too much that was hinky about this election. (And I think Stein is making a capital mistake in concentrating so much attention on the long-shot notion that voting machines were tampered with.) The hinkiness started years ago, with the phony charges of voter fraud upon which a number of states acted by shining up old Jim Crow for a new age. There are legitimate concerns about elections that leave no paper trail; you don't have to be a cynic to believe that. There is the Russian monkeywrenching. (Sorry, lads. It happened.) There were the Macedonian teenagers. There was the inexcusable meddling by FBI director James Comey. There's more than enough reason to do everything we can to determine whether or not this particular election was on the level, especially given what we've seen from the prospective administration so far.


And the idea of brawling out the final results hardly began with Dr. Stein, or with Donald Trump, for all that. The Intercept pointed that out a month ago with this interesting flashback to the extended madness of the 2000 election (h/t to Edroso). From The New York Daily News:

So what if Gore wins such crucial battleground states as Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania and thus captures the magic 270 electoral votes while Bush wins the overall nationwide popular vote? "The one thing we don't do is roll over," says a Bush aide. "We fight." How? The core of the emerging Bush strategy assumes a popular uprising, stoked by the Bushies themselves, of course. In league with the campaign - which is preparing talking points about the Electoral College's essential unfairness - a massive talk-radio operation would be encouraged. "We'd have ads, too," says a Bush aide, "and I think you can count on the media to fuel the thing big-time. Even papers that supported Gore might turn against him because the will of the people will have been thwarted.
So let's dispel with the notion that anything Stein et al. are trying to do is either unprecedented, or that it isn't something that the Republicans would do on steroids if the situation were reversed. Once we've stipulated that, let's also agree that it is extraordinarily unlikely that the effort will overturn the results in any of the state at which it is directed, but that it is worth the fight altogether no matter what the outcome. The country needs, desperately, transparency on as many aspects of this improbable election as it can get because, on January 20, absent an extraordinary intervention of politics ex machina, everything becomes too late. And, regardless of what you think of Dr. Stein and the campaign she ran, at the moment, she's the only one really on the field.

The process will be long and complicated. The institutional roadblocks are considerable; on Monday, as The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports, the Wisconsin Elections Commission has agreed to a recount, but refused an appeal that it be conducted by hand. It will be assailed on all sides by people who, for whatever reason, and most of the reasons are bad, think we should all move on from the recent unpleasantness and walk together into the gilded outhouse of the future. I'd just as soon take my time on that particular stroll, if it's all the same to everyone.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/po ... n-recount/

[NeonLX]

OK. I'm "guilty" for helping to turn Wississippi "red". I voted for Jill. My reasoning has already been described by others I'm sure--I'm tired of being offered two different varieties of shit sandwiches; either off which will make me very sick.

But ya. This flat earth stuff. Why? Why was the "conspiracy" started in the first place (ancient Greeks, Magellan, etc.)? What was the rationale for keeping it going down through the centuries--or actually, 1600 years? Why are all the rest of the planets globes...as is the moon? Or maybe every telescope sold has "fake" pictures built into it to make it seem like that shit is globular. But my main question is, "why?".

[Luther Blissett]

The popular vote gap is now the largest it's been in 140 years.

[seemslikeadream]

I don't blame you Neon ....I blame Comey and the Russians

and Wanker....Pervis and Eddy Munster

OK. I'm "guilty" for helping to turn Wississippi "red". I voted for Jill. My reasoning has already been described by others I'm sure--I'm tired of being offered two different varieties of shit sandwiches; either off which will make me very sick.

But ya. This flat earth stuff. Why? Why was the "conspiracy" started in the first place (ancient Greeks, Magellan, etc.)? What was the rationale for keeping it going down through the centuries--or actually, 1600 years? Why are all the rest of the planets globes...as is the moon? Or maybe every telescope sold has "fake" pictures built into it to make it seem like that shit is globular. But my main question is, "why?".

[maco144]

Tell me maco, how does one without ego communicate?

Would it require "ego" to criticize not the person who proved your prior comment entirely misguided and wrong, but another who simply asked "What the fuck makes an idealist "ignorant?" and stated, "I seriously don't know what you could possibly think about "idealism" being "ignorant". "

Neither do I understand what seems to me to be your understanding of "idealism being "ignorant." How can idealism be ignorant, if it's ideal?

Btw, "geocentricism" is not a word.

Geocentrism would be the correct word to use, if you don't want to appear ignorant.

I state the people who donated to recount efforts did so because they are idealist yet ignorant of how politics work and the fact the race is already conceded. It's the same thing that happened with Gore/Bush, history repeats. Here we are many posts later with me having to explain simple meaning. It's no wonder that a great deal of truths are not ready to be understood by posters here when they cannot get unstuck from whatever they hear in their head. A great deal of idealism is naive and impractical that cannot be happen in the real world. So to be championing ideas that have no coherence to reality is to be ignorant of real plausibility. I dare claim that to be an idealist one must have some element of being uninformed!

[seemslikeadream]

whatever they hear in their head

one more time this recount is NOT about changing the results of the election..

try putting that in your head and deal with it