Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:56 am

Paddock used legal device to fire 400 rounds a minute

Las Vegas Killer Had Better Rifles Than the U.S. Military
Stephen Paddock used guns that are more powerful and accurate than what Marine infantry carry—and they’re totally legal to buy.

James LaPorta

10.03.17 7:55 PM ET
Editor’s Note: James LaPorta is a former Marine infantryman and a military trained combat marksmanship instructor.

Stephen Paddock legally purchased rifles to kill 59 people in Las Vegas that are equal or superior to weapons used by the U.S. military.
The rifles Paddock used are so powerful and potentially prolific that he didn’t need training to inflict dozens of deaths and hundreds of injuries. What Paddock apparently lacked in experience he made up for with preparation, opportunity, and deadly accurate hardware.
Law enforcement recovered 23 firearms from the 32nd-floor suite of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, including AR-15-style rifles. They are the equivalent of the U.S. military’s standard service rifle, the M-16. One the rifles seen in an unofficial photograph features a “free floating barrel,” unlike an M-16 whose barrel is connected to the rest of the rifle.
Inside a free-floating barrel, bullets travel without interference from micro-vibrations. Conversely, a bullet fired from a fixed barrel can be thrown off its intended trajectory by these external vibrations. The difference can be as much as 50 percent more accurate.
The U.S. Army and Marine Corps have been trying to outfit their conventional infantry forces with weapons that have free-floating barrels for years. In other words, Paddock’s weapons are more accurate by design than some of the weapons the U.S. military issues out to their regular infantry service members.

Another rifle with a free-floating barrel was mounted with a bipod, which is commonly used by snipers. In urban environments for example, military snipers position themselves well inside the room at some distance away from the window to conceal their muzzle flash, weapon, and themselves.

Paddock also outfitted his weapons with some of the best optics available to the public. One of the rifles laying on the floor appears to be a AR-frame model with a rail system to mount hardware such as a tactical flashlight or laser targeting sight, preferred by SWAT teams and Navy SEALs when using night vision.

Additionally, Paddock mounted what appears to be a military-grade EO Tech sight to his weapon. While this sight is not magnified, it gives an advantage to the shooter for faster target acquisition with the ability to calibrate the sight to multiple distances, making it easier to alternate between targets at both short and long ranges.

Another photo shows a rifle with an extended magazine capable of holding up to 100 rounds. High-capacity magazines like the one in Paddock’s weapon can be purchased online at websites like Stackin’ Bodies for $169. Nevada, where Paddock reportedly purchased most of his weapons, has no laws limiting magazine ammunition capacity.
At first, the loud crackling noise heard over country music sounded like fireworks. It was actually the sound of bullets breaking the sound barrier, and it means one thing for those who hear it: You’re far too close to the bullet’s final destination.
For those that have been baptized in warfare and combat, the God-awful noise is reminiscent of firefights from Afghanistan, like the ones I was in as a Marine infantryman, circa 2009. Yet, the gunmen’s position put him at an advantage over the crowd of innocents below who had little to no cover to hide behind.

“The meticulous and long term planning takes away from [the idea that] Paddock [was] having a psychotic break,” Army Green Beret Sgt. 1st Class Loren Schofield, who retired with 20 years of service with training in military intelligence, told The Daily Beast.
Paddock’s choice of an elevated position increased the likelihood of inflicting damage to the people below even if shots were fired inaccurately or if he had fired at the concert goers from the ground level, according to U.S. Army special forces soldiers that spoke with The Daily Beast.
The tactic within the U.S. military is known to machine gunners as “plunging fire” where bullets essentially rain down in a conical area versus a straight line if Paddock were on the same elevation as his targets. This means less bullets are needed to be used.
“There’s a reason we [in the military community] don’t shoot at full auto because it reduces the shooter’s ability to fire the weapon accurately,” said Tony Cowden, a U.S. Army Sergeant First Class special forces soldier, who formerly was on the CIA and Joint Special Operations Command mission to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden in 2001.
Despite his firing position from high above his targets, Paddock was not a sniper in the traditional sense of the word.
“The only time we shoot a fully automatic weapon is at an area target,” Cowden said. “Well guess what? A stadium full of people is an area target... it doesn’t take any training to do what he did.”
Automatic weapons in the United States have long been federally regulated and are more difficult to obtain than semi-automatic rifles. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters that Paddock had a bump stock on at least one rifle, making the semi-automatic weapon equivalent to a fully automatic rifle.
The duration of bursts from Paddock are contrary to the military’s techniques regarding automatic fire. Sustained rates of fire are hard to control even with the addition of tripods and a stable shooting platform.
Cowden says that Paddock’s rapid of fire at the crowd would eliminate the use of his magnified optical sight for aiming at individual people, Cowden said. Had Paddock actually fired slower, and used the sight, he could have killed even more people.
“I would argue that someone with decent training, not even a school-trained sniper or a long range shooter, someone who just understood the basics and fundamentals of marksmanship could have inflicted even more death,” Cowden said. “If he had been taking well-aimed shots, shooting every 5 seconds, you would have had more people dead than you do right now.”
Most AR-style weapons use the .223 ammunition cartridge, which is civilian equivalent of the U.S. military’s standard 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round. These rounds have enough energy to kill at almost one mile, and Paddock was shooting from about one-quarter mile away.
“These days with precision rifles, a 1,000 meter shot with a AR weapon system is not hard,” Cowden said.
Cowden’s assessment of Paddock’s marksmanship was lamented by Army Green Beret Schofield.
“He’s the exact opposite of a sniper,” Schofield said. “His rate of fire his suppressive, not precision. He didn’t have to worry about range, angle, wind adjustments. Just aim for the middle of the mass and fire as quickly as possible.” ... s-military

Marilou Danley, Girlfriend of Las Vegas Gunman, Arrives in U.S., Sources Say

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of the gunman who opened fire on concert-goers in Las Vegas Sunday, arrived back in the United States late Tuesday, multiple law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation said.

Danley, 62, who lived with Stephen Paddock, arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on a flight from the Philippines. Danley was escorted by FBI agents.

It was not immediately clear where she was being taken.

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Investigators believe Danley, who had traveled to Hong Kong on Sept. 25, could fill in some of the blanks as to why Paddock assembled an arsenal of guns and opened fire on a crowd, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

"We anticipate some information from her shortly," Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said earlier Tuesday. "She is currently a person of interest."

Paddock wired $100,000 to an account in Danley’s home country, the Philippines, in the week before he unleashed the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, according to multiple senior law enforcement officials. It was not known whether the money was for her or her family or for another purpose.

Investigators believe Paddock and Danley started dating in the spring and lived together in Mesquite, Nevada. They do not believe she was involved in the shooting, although Paddock did have some of her identification on him, law enforcement officials have said.

Investigators still have not determined a motive for the shooting. ... es-n807331

Las Vegas Gunman Meticulously Planned Shooting, Sheriff Says

Sunday night's shooting spree in Las Vegas was so meticulously planned that the gunman set up cameras in and around his luxury hotel room, the Clark County sheriff's office said Tuesday.

The apparent attempts at surveillance by the gunman, whom authorities have identified as Stephen Paddock, were part of extensive preparations that included stockpiling nearly two dozen guns in his room before opening fire on the concert below, said police.

The cameras included one in the peephole and two in the hallway, according to Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill.

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“I anticipate he was looking for anybody coming to take him into custody,” said Sheriff Joe Lombardo who also expressed frustration that no one appeared to have noticed the gunman's unusual actions and alerted authorities.

The carnage was "obviously premeditated," he added at news conference Tuesday afternoon.

"The fact that he had the type of weaponry and the amount of weaponry in that [hotel] room — it was pre-planned extensively," said Lombardo. "I'm pretty sure he evaluated everything that he did in his actions."

Related: Shooter Wired $100K to Philippines, Bet Big in Weeks Before Massacre

He called that "troublesome," saying it was likely that somebody noticed something suspicious about Paddock's behavior at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino but didn't say anything.

Police "can't be at all places at all times," Lombardo said, so it's vital that when anybody sees anything suspicious, he or she should alert authorities.

"We act on that," he said. "Quite often, what we experience in our line of work [is] a citizen thinks it's trivial and they say, 'Nah, I don't want to bother the police.' We ask you to bother the police."

Image: Table outside Mandalay Bay hotel room
A table outside the room believed to have been used by Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock in a photo published Tuesday. Bild Exclusive / Polaris
Lombardo also sharply criticized the publication by a German tabloid of photos of Paddock's hotel room, where he'd been staying since last Thursday, and the corridor outside it.

The photos show crime scene tape crisscrossing the room's bullet-pocked door, as well as a gun with a scope and what appears to be a room service table. No other weapons are visible in the photos. Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill confirmed Tuesday night that the photos were authentic.

Lombardo made it clear that he was deeply distressed by their publication.

"I can tell you I'm very troubled by it," he said. "We have an internal investigation going as we speak as to how those photographs were obtained."

Paddock is believed to have been responsible for the deaths of 58 people when he opened fire on a country music concert outside his hotel room on Sunday night. Lombardo said Tuesday that all but three of the victims have been identified, and authorities said the widely reported number of 59 deaths included the gunman.

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Jill Snyder, special agent-in-charge of the San Francisco office of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Tuesday night that 47 shotguns, rifle and pistols had been recovered from three locations — Paddock's hotel suite and his home in Mesquite, Nevada, as well as "Verdi."

The reference to "Verdi" wasn't explained, but authorities had said earlier that they'd executed search warrants on the hotel room, the Mesquite home and a residence near Reno, Nevada.

Deputy Reno Police Chief Thomas Robinson confirmed to NBC affiliate KRNV that police and FBI agents spent most of Monday at an address in Verdi, part of metropolitan Reno. Property records show the address belongs to Paddock and Marilou Danley, whom authorities have identified as Paddock's roommate. ... ys-n807296
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Postby American Dream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:10 am

Misinformation Is the New Normal of Mass Shootings

Even as the media interviewed Paddock’s brother on national TV, James Allsup, who was involved with a college-students-for-Trump group, tweeted that Paddock could be family-less and friend-less, comparing him with Adam Lanza, the shooter at Newtown. Allsup, too, hinted a hoax: “Also recall how Adam Lanza’s home was bulldozed and his possessions destroyed. That’s odd—why was that done?”

Even after the discrediting of the Geary Danley story early in the day, the amateur sleuths of 4chan continued to seize on pieces of internet ephemera that appeared to tie Paddock to left-wing causes–after discovering a 1993 NASA document listing a “Steve Paddock” as an employee, commenters linked it to a photo of a man resembling Paddock wearing a pink “pussy-hat” and NASA T-shirt. Self-appointed Trump explainer, right-wing ally, and Dilbert creator Scott Adams addressed the claims in a Periscope video, speculating that the shooter was unlikely to be a Republican and therefore was “probably more associated with the left, that would give you, maybe it’s antifa, maybe it’s ISIS, maybe … just anti-Trump.” A favorite tactic of the alt-right, the dummy Twitter account, was used to tie Paddock to the left by a group supposedly representing “Cambridge Antifa”, as well, celebrating the shooting as “the opportunity of a lifetime” with the hashtag #Kamala2020.

Nonpartisan opportunists

One of the more bizarre phenomena of the fake news cycle Monday was the number of social media users interjecting themselves, but without a clear partisan agenda. For example, a photo of Eden Hazard, an international soccer star who plays for Chelsea, was shared on Twitter with a plea to find the missing victim. Why this has become a popular tactic—a similar ruse was used after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando—remains murkier than the more obvious partisan agendas. But Poynter’s Mantzarlis said that there were likely two reasons: The first was a financial motive to add followers and site traffic; the second was people retweeting the messages in an honest, albeit misguided attempt to be part of the larger conversation.

As for how the media responded to the flood of false stories, Susan McGregor, the assistant director at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia University, said reporters have caught up to how and where false rumors are started. Several years ago, in the wake of the bombing at the Boston Marathon, an incorrect suspect’s name first surfaced on Reddit, and made its way into the mainstream press. Now, McGregor said, one of the first jobs of the press isn’t just to report on new developments. “They jump straight to debunking now, which is almost just as important,” she said. ... uns-215670
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:17 am

Las Vegas Gunman Meticulously Planned Shooting, Sheriff Says


The photos show crime scene tape crisscrossing the room's bullet-pocked door, as well as a gun with a scope and what appears to be a room service table. No other weapons are visible in the photos. Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill confirmed Tuesday night that the photos were authentic.

Lombardo made it clear that he was deeply distressed by their publication.

"I can tell you I'm very troubled by it," he said. "We have an internal investigation going as we speak as to how those photographs were obtained."

... ... ys-n807296

LOL. Good luck with that "internal investigation", Sheriff Joe Lombardo. Keep us posted on the results. The chain of custody on those crime-scene photos will surely turn out to be an impenetrable mystery. Why, at least 1 police photographer + 1 spook must have had access to them. That makes 2, and there's simply no way a lowly sheriff can hope to unravel such a Gordian knot, at least not if he knows what his job's worth.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby American Dream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:27 am

Las Vegas conspiracies are still spreading on Facebook


If you’re one of the 1.8 million people who likes the Facebook page WorldTruthTV, you might have seen a post about “Five Things That Just Don’t Add Up About The Las Vegas Mass Shooting,” which cites debunked reports of blocked exits and that the shooter possessed weapons “almost impossible” to obtain.

And if you’re among the 453,000 people who like the page 4biddenknowledge or the 723,000 who subscribe to The People’s Voice page, you have probably seen some conspiracy theories about links to antifa or multiple shooters flying around about the Sunday night attack.

Viral fake news stories on about the Las Vegas shooting like these — shared by largely right-leaning pages with huge audiences — appear to be vastly outperforming other posts that these pages share, based on a sample collected by VICE News, a sign that digital platforms like Facebook, Google, YouTube, and Twitter are still enabling an economy of misinformation and propaganda masquerading as news.

“Yes, I noticed a small bump in Facebook traffic,” said Billy Carson, the blogger who operates 4biddenknowledge, about publishing Vegas-related conspiracy headlines. “These posts about the Vegas mass shooting definitely have people talking and talking is good.”

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:31 am

What a creepy spook you are. Incapable of human speech. Completely indistinguishable from a bot.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:54 am

For all of American Dream's kneejerk regurgitation of corporate-media concern-trollery about (ffs) Fake News, there is one "source" he is predictably silent about: Rita Katz's SITE site, which functions solely as a mouthpiece for the US proxy known as ISIS/Daesh, and which immediately spread the News around the globe that those dastardly Muslims had claimed responsibilty.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:42 am

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Top Trump Ally Met With Putin’s Deputy in Moscow

Before the NRA poured more than $30 million into Trump’s election, it met with a notorious Kremlin hardliner, allegedly to discuss a rifle competition.

Tim Mak

03.07.17 9:00 PM ET
In March 2014, the U.S. government sanctioned Dmitry Rogozin—a hardline deputy to Vladimir Putin, the head of Russia’s defense industry and longtime opponent of American power—in retaliation for the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Eighteen months later, the National Rifle Association, Donald Trump’s most powerful outside ally during the 2016 election, sent a delegation to Moscow that met with him.
The meeting, which hasn’t been previously reported in the American press, is one strand in a web of connections between the Russian government and Team Trump: Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn both denied speaking with the Russian ambassador, which turned out to be untrue; former campaign manager Paul Manafort supported pro-Russian interests in Ukraine; Secretary of State Rex Tillerson won an “Order of Friendship” from Putin; and then, of course, there’s the hacking campaign that U.S. intelligence agencies say Russian launched to tilt the election in Trump’s favor.
Meeting with Rogozin, a target of U.S. sanctions, is not itself illegal—as long as the two sides did no business together—explained Boris Zilberman, an expert on Russian sanctions at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. But, he noted, it is “frowned upon and raises questions… those targeted for sanctions have been engaged in conduct which is in direct opposition to U.S. national security interests.”
Which raises the question: Why was the NRA meeting with Putin’s deputy in the first place?
The NRA had previously objected to the parts of the U.S. sanctions regime that blocked Russian-made guns from import into the United States. But curiously, David Keene, the former NRA president and current board member who was on the Moscow trip, insisted the meeting with the high-ranking member of the Kremlin government had nothing whatsoever to do with geopolitics.
“Rogozin is chairman of the Russian Shooting Federation and his Board hosted a tour of Federation HQ for us while we were there,” Keene told The Daily Beast. “It was non-political. There were at least 30 in attendance and our interaction consisted of thanking him and his Board for the tour.”

Rogozin tweeted photos of the meetings, writing that they discussed a forthcoming rifle competition in Russia.

But Rogozin is no ordinary Russian official, and his title extends far beyond being merely the chairman of a shooting club. His portfolio as deputy prime minister of Russia includes the defense industry. One issue where Rogozin seems particularly interested is cyberwarfare, which he has heralded for its “first strike” capability. And he’s well-known in Russia for being a radical—often taking a harder line than Putin himself.
Rogozin was the leader of the ultra-right party called Rodina, or Motherland, and famously believes in the restoration of the Russian Empire, including what he calls “Russian America” (i.e., Alaska).
To wrestle control of the party, he turned its course from a party that was occasionally in opposition to Putin to a strictly pro-Putin party. In 2005 Rogozin and his party miscalculated Putin’s anti-immigrant mood and got kicked out of the parliament for a chauvinistic promotion video that said: “Let’s Clean the Garbage!” featuring Central Asian workers eating a watermelon and spitting on the ground.
Still, Rogozin stayed loyal to Putin and soon was appointed Russian ambassador to NATO at the time of the Russia-Georgia War—his main responsibility at the time was to prevent Ukraine and Georgia from joining NATO. Today his Motherland party is back in the parliament, trying to unite right-wing movements in Europe.

“It is disconcerting that they would be meeting [with a Russian official] about anything given their vocal support of the president,” said Rep. Mike Quigley, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, which is investigating Russia’s attempts to influence the 2016 presidential elections. “Due to the NRA’s opposition to sanctions, it defies credulity that they wouldn’t have discussed sanctions and their extraordinary support for Donald Trump’s campaign.”
“Russia is not America’s friend. And it’s stunning to hear that while they were attacking our democracy, one of the largest organizations supporting Trump was cozying up with a sanctioned Russian in Moscow,” said Rep. Eric Swalwell, who is the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee panel that oversees the CIA.
Rogozin’s inclusion in U.S. sanctions, prior to his meeting with the NRA delegation, marks him as an American adversary. But if that designation raised red flags to Keene and his compatriots—including board member Pete Brownell, top NRA donor Joe Gregory, and Trump supporter Sheriff David A. Clarke—they didn’t mention them, before or since.
The White House designated Rogozin for sanctions through an executive order in March 2014 after the Russian annexation of Crimea in Ukraine. Perhaps it’s only coincidence, then, that a few months later, the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action protested when the Treasury Department banned the importation of Kalashnikov firearms under authority granted to them from that same executive order.
“These latest sanctions will no doubt engender the idea among some that the Treasury Department is using a geopolitical crisis as a convenient excuse to advance the president’s domestic anti-gun agenda,” the NRA-ILA wrote at the time.
The National Rifle Association’s support for Trump was unprecedented—and it seems to have paid off. The organization backed Trump in May 2016—much earlier than they had endorsed other candidates in previous election cycles, and before he had even been officially named the Republican presidential nominee.
The NRA spent $30.3 million to elect Trump—more than even the top Trump super PAC, which spent just $20.3 million, according to OpenSecrets.
This proved to be an important piece of the puzzle for the president’s eventual victory, giving him bona fides among Democrats from working class families.
“They got behind him early. It tends to be a lot of movement conservatives, a lot of Republicans —but the NRA’s membership is also so powerful in union households,” said Richard Feldman, a former NRA lobbyist who wrote a book, Ricochet, about his experiences. “Union leaderships are very concerned about what the NRA has to say… This year it was a very important. NRA was the first major group to get behind Trump.”
Indeed, there is a solid case to be made that the NRA’s endorsement and support was among the most important of any group this election cycle. The NRA lined up television advertising space early, when rates were lower, and had money to spend when the Access Hollywood scandal struck, reading with a fresh advertising spot to support Trump.
“There are many claimants to the honor of having nudged Donald Trump over the top in the presidential election,” wrote Fred Barnes, executive editor of the conservative magazine The Weekly Standard, last week. “But the folks with the best case are the National Rifle Association and the consultants who made their TV ads.”
Soon after the election, the Trump administration rescinded an order, issued in the waning days of the Obama administration, that banned lead ammunition in various hunting and fishing areas—the NRA immediately applauded the action.
In retrospect, the second week of December 2015 is notable: In Moscow’s Metropol Hotel, now-disgraced Trump national security adviser Gen. Michael Flynn dined with Putin at a dinner held by Russia Today, a state-sponsored propaganda outlet.
The NRA delegation’s 2015 trip to Russia took place the same week, lasting from Dec. 8-13, according to Clarke’s public financial disclosure forms, (PDF), and included not only the people who met with Rogozin but a number of other NRA dignitaries, including donors Dr. Arnold Goldshlager and Hilary Goldschlager, as well as Jim Liberatore, the CEO of the Outdoor Channel.
Various members had various stated reasons for going. At least one was there for business reasons.
“Mr. Liberatore traveled to Russia to discuss our new outdoor lifestyle service MyOutdoorTV (MOTV) and prospects for international distribution,” said Liberatore’s spokesman, Thomas Caraccioli. Liberatore did not meet with Rogozin, he added.
The delegates who were contacted by The Daily Beast did not respond to questions regarding how they paid for their trip. But Clarke, as the sheriff of Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, was required to fill out public disclosure forms outlining any private money he received for travel (PDF).
The trip was sponsored at least in part by the organization, The Right to Bear Arms, a firearms advocacy organization founded by Russian national Maria Butina, a former Siberian furniture store owner who now lives in Washington, D.C., and serves as a link between Russian political circles and the American capital’s conservative elite.
“A delegation of the world’s largest gun rights civic organization—the National Rifle Association of the US (the NRA) visited Moscow on an official trip and met with supporters of the Right to Bear Arms movement,” wrote Butina in Russian in December 2015, posting a photo of the delegation on her organization’s Facebook page.

Clarke reported that Butina’s organization paid $6,000 for his meals, hotel, transportation, and excursions during his time in Russia. Brownell, the CEO of a prominent firearms company and an NRA board member, paid for the remainder, including his airfare and visas.
It is unclear where Butina’s firearms advocacy organization gets her money—it is a puzzling group, considering that Russia does not have a large grassroots movement for gun rights like the United States does.
Butina does, however, have a close relationship with Alexander Torshin, the former deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who has been accused by Spanish authorities of laundering money for the Russian mob. Neither Butina and Torshin responded to requests for comment.
Both Torshin and Butina pride themselves on their close relationship with the National Rifle Assocation, bragging on social media about their life memberships in the organization and posting photos of themselves with Keene, a former president of the NRA.
They’re not the only ones who posted photos showing links with the NRA: Rogozin posted photos of his meetings with the NRA in 2015. In one photo, the deputy prime minister is standing at what appears to be a shooting range with Gregory, Brownell, and Keene.
In another photo, Rogozin is at a conference table with Clarke and Brownell. Putin ally and former Russian senator Alexander Torshin is also seated with the group, along with a number of other unidentified individuals.
A White House spokesman declined to comment, as did the NRA.
Whatever the NRA’s ultimate reason for sending a delegation to Moscow, the conservative movement in D.C. is starting to slowly shift their views on Russia and Putin.
In May 2014, Keene criticized President Obama for not doing enough to confront Putin.
“The United States under President Obama’s leadership is content to issue rhetorical denunciations, insult Mr. Putin by claiming he runs a second-rate country that doesn’t understand the times in which we live, and deny he and his friends visas to visit the United States [emphasis added],” Keene wrote in the Washington Times, where he is now an editor.
With Trump about to enter office, in January 2017, Keene was singing a different tune.
“We seem prepared to believe any evil of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, which has with its second-rate military establishment and failing economy somehow morphed in the minds of many Americans into a greater threat than the old Soviet Union [emphasis added],” he wrote.
Asked why the contradiction, Keene employed some Trumpian logic.
“The two statements aren’t inconsistent,” he told The Daily Beast. ... -in-moscow
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:55 am





PufPuf93 » 04 Oct 2017 01:40 wrote:Paddock's Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time

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Also is there something weird about the room Paddock allegedly shot from?

Photos show two windows that are broken with unbroken windows in between.

Are they separate windows?

Could there have been two shooters?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:03 am

[F]irearms — even with suppressors — generally are very loud.

A suppressor generally will reduce the sound of a weapon by an average 30 decibels, about the level of ear protection.

Hearing damage begins to occur at about 85 decibels, which is the sound of a hairdryer. Various reports have indicated that the Las Vegas shooter had AR-15-type rifles. A 30-decibel reduction means an AR-15 rifle would have a noise equivalent of 132 decibels. That is considered equivalent to a gunshot or a jackhammer. ... 1f9d99f036

:shock: Imagine someone using a jackhammer in the hotel room adjacent to yours (or above it, or below it) - and this from 10:20 - 10:30pm on a Sunday night. The noise would be deafening. And that's 30 decibels quieter than the noise made by those guns in the Mandalay. At around 160 decibels, the floors, wall and ceiling of that room must have been vibrating. The hotel guests all around him cannot have failed to identify the direction that cacophony was coming from.

I.e., the hotel management and the cops must have known within seconds exactly which room that ear-splitting racket was coming from. So what is this bullshit about the cops having to work it out by calculating "trajectories"? ... a6b7b31e28

Not to mention the noise of two windows being smashed beforehand and the sight of that glass falling on to the hotel forecourt.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:20 am

160 dB. Compare this with the loudest rock concerts of all time:

Decibel records[edit]

Sound level may be metered on several ways: Average, maximum level (with the sound level meter set to Fast, Slow, Impulse, or Peak), etc. In addition, there are several decibel scales. Therefore, the decibels on the following list are not necessarily comparable.


Daniel Kreps of Rolling Stone argues that "Whole Lotta Love" established Led Zeppelin's reputation as one of the loudest bands of their time.[2]


Deep Purple held the record and were recognized by The Guinness Book of World Records as the "globe's loudest band" when in a concert at the London Rainbow Theatre their sound reached 117 dB. Three of their audience members were rendered unconscious.[3][4]


The Who were listed as the "record holder", at 126 dB, measured at a distance of 32 metres (105 feet) from the speakers.[ at a concert at The Valley in London on 31 May 1976.[5]

1984 and 1994[edit]

The heavy metal band Manowar is one claimant of the title of "loudest band in the world",[6] citing a measurement of 129.5 dB in 1994 in Hanover.[7] However, The Guinness Book of World Records listed Manowar as the record holder for the loudest musical performance for an earlier performance in 1984. Guinness does not recognize Manowar's later claim, because it no longer includes a category of loudest band, reportedly because it does not want to encourage hearing damage.[8][9][10][11]


In 1986, an article by Scott Cohen was published in the February issue of Spin entitled "Motörhead is the Loudest Band on Earth".[12] In this article, Cohen mentions an undated concert in which the Cleveland Variety Theater was damaged when the band Motörhead reached a reported decibel level of 130.[12] Cohen reported that this was 10 decibels louder than the record set by The Who.[12]


Pioneering English House/Electronica band Leftfield became known for the volume of its live shows on the tour to support their debut album Leftism. In June 1996, while the group was playing at Brixton Academy, the sound system caused dust and plaster to fall from the roof. Sound volume was 137 dB.[13]


British punk band Gallows allegedly broke Manowar's next to last record for loudest band in the world, claiming to have achieved 132.5 dB; however, this record was claimed in an isolated studio environment as opposed to live.[14]


Manowar achieved an SPL of 139 dB during the sound check (not the actual performance) at the Magic Circle Fest in 2008.[15]


On July 15, 2009, in Ottawa, Canada, the band Kiss achieved an SPL of 136 dB measured during their live performance (not the sound check). After noise complaints from neighbors in the area, the band was forced to turn the volume down.[16]

So the very loudest noise listed there is still at least 20 decibels quieter than the racket produced by that shooter/those shooters in the Mandelay. There's a reason why people take care to wear ear protectors while firing those guns.

So there was never any doubt which room the noise was coming from. Especially when you remember that that room was located right on the corner.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:32 am

if only hotel guests were made to remove their shoes before checking in 59 souls would be alive today and 529 people would not have been injured

just make it fricking harder to attend a concert...that will fix the problem

or...... place a travel ban on millionaire white guys with lots of guns

Trump on shooting response: "What happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle"

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:39 am

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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:33 am

hello....CASULTIES aka DEAD

sorry I couldn't find 529 photos of injured

I couldn't find out what window they were shot and killed from

Portraits of the Las Vegas shooting victims
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By Eric Levenson and Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
Updated 11:01 AM ET, Wed October 4, 2017

At least 58 people were killed and at least 500 others were injured Sunday night when a gunman fired into an outdoor country musical festival crowd from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel in the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.
Here are some of the victims' stories:
Lisa Patterson

Lisa Patterson, from Los Angeles' San Pedro community, was a mother of three. She was attending the concert with four friends.
Patterson was active in church, helped coach in a girl's softball league and was devoted to her family, said her husband, Robert Patterson.
After hearing about the shooting, he drove to Las Vegas with his son and eldest daughter on Monday morning but couldn't immediately find out what happened to his wife.
A coroner called him Monday evening to tell him she'd passed away. He returned to Los Angeles, where he broke the news of her death to their youngest daughter, who's 8.
"I can't believe she's gone. ... She was such a warm, caring person. There was nobody that cared more about people and life than my wife, Lisa," Robert Patterson told CNN affiliate KCBS.
"She was such an amazing person. She cared for so many people," her eldest daughter, Amber Patterson, told CNN. "She was so enthusiastic. She was literally the best mom, and she was my best friend."
Amber said she appreciated hearing people's fond memories of her mother.
"When I got my belly button pierced and her going with me ... that kind of stuff really is what makes me think of her and makes me happy to remember her," she said.

Bill Wolfe Jr. lived in Shippensburg, Pennsylvania.
Bill Wolfe Jr. was a youth wrestling coach in Shippensburg, Pennsylvania.
"It is with the most of broken hearts, the families of Bill Wolfe Jr. and his wife, Robyn, share that Bill has been confirmed to be among the deceased as a result of the mass attack in Las Vegas," the Shippensburg Police Department said on Facebook.
Carl Bert, owner of a surveying and engineering firm, told CNN affiliate WPVI that Wolfe had once worked for him as an engineer. Bert described him as personable, fun, easy to work with and a devoted Christian, WPVI reported.
Jordyn Rivera
Jordyn Rivera was in her fourth year at California State University, San Bernardino. The university released a statement confirming her death.
"It is with the utmost sadness I must report that a member of our campus community is among the victims," university president Tomás Morales said.
Rivera was warm, optimistic and kind, he said.
Katie Ortega, who has known her for years, said they played softball together as kids.
Rivera "was and always will be a role model to many," Ortega said. "She would always make it a point to make every single individual feel special, always laughing at my stupid jokes."
She was passionate about softball.
"That softball diamond was her heaven," Ortega said.

Heather Warino Alvarado, of Utah, loved traveling with her husband and children.
Heather Alvarado, 35, was a mother of three and married to Albert Alvarado, a firefighter in Cedar City, Utah. The couple loved traveling with their three children.
"She always saw the good in others. She spent her whole life serving others in her family and community," the Cedar City Fire Department said in a Facebook post.
"She was happiest when she was together with her family, especially her children and she would do anything for them."
"They appreciate your many words of kindness and concern," the post said.

Candice Bowers was a mother of three.
Candice Bowers was a single mother of three. Her family described her as a superhero who loved country music.
"It was a gift that she was able to spend her final moments doing what she loved with those she loved even more," her family said.
"Her strength, fierce loyalty and memory will live on through their lives and those of her family and friends who loved her so dearly.
Her children included a recently adopted 2-year-old, her family said in a statement.

Adrian Murfitt, 35, was visiting Las Vegas from Alaska.
Adrian Murfitt, 35, was a commercial fisherman from Alaska.
Murfitt had surprised his friend with a weekend boys trip to Las Vegas when the shooting happened. His friend, Brian MacKinnon, held him in his lap as he passed away from gunshot wounds.
His mother, Avonna Murfitt, told CNN that her son was jolly and caring.
ʺEvery one of his friends was his 'best friend,'ʺ she said. ʺHe will be missed by all who knew him, and most of all by me.ʺ
The outpouring of love has been amazing, her mother said.
"We are humbled by the way everyone who knew him has offered assistance to help in bringing him home and celebrating his life," Avonna Murfitt says.
Derrick 'Bo' Taylor
Derrick Taylor worked for the California Department of Corrections.
Derrick Taylor worked for the California Department of Corrections.
Derrick "Bo" Taylor, 56, a veteran with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, was killed in the shooting. Taylor joined the department about 30 years ago, rising to the rank of lieutenant.
He worked at the Ventura Conservation Camp, which houses up to 110 adult male inmates.
Taylor's loss will be felt deeply, Warden Joel Martinez wrote in a memo to staff, according to a department newsletter posted online.
"There are no words to express the feeling of loss and sadness regarding Bo's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends," Martinez wrote.
In the comments section of the notice about Taylor's death, people praised him as a good coworker and friend. "Bo was a great man, as a supervisor he set the bar so high that no one will ever be able to touch it," one comment read.

Kelsey Meadows, 28, was a teacher.
Kelsey Meadows, a 28-year-old California substitute teacher, died in the mass shooting, according to her family and the Taft Union High School District, where she worked.
Meadows graduated from Taft Union High School in 2007 and later earned a bachelor's degree from Fresno State University. She returned to the Taft community, where she had worked as a regular substitute teacher with the district since 2012, the district said in a statement.
Taft Union High School Principal Mary Alice Finn said Meadows was "smart, compassionate and kind."
"She had a sweet spirit and a love for children," Finn said. "Words cannot adequately capture the sorrow felt by her students, colleagues and friends in learning of her passing."
Meadows' family posted a Facebook message asking people to please "keep my family in your thoughts and prayers as we try and move past this horrible time."

John Phippen, 56, was trying to shield someone when he was shot, a friend said.
John Phippen, a 56-year-old father of six, was fatally shot while shielding a woman from the gunfire, Phippen's neighbor said.
Phippen was hit after his son stopped to help someone else, said Leah Nagyivanyi, Phippen's neighbor and close friend for 17 years. His son was wounded in the arm, she said.
Phippen lost his wife three years ago, said Nagyivanyi. Her family went on camping trips with Phippen and his clan. He was the kind of person who got along with both children and adults, she said.
"Our kids look up to us, and look to us for guidance, but these kids considered John their best friend," Nagyivani said. "That tells a lot about the kind of person you are. He was everybody's best friend."
One time, when a boat flipped over during a camping trip, Phippen and his son sprang into action just like they did at the concert, she said.
"He was a man of integrity who always had your back," she said. "There is nothing he couldn't do for you, wouldn't do for you. You didn't even have to ask."

Kurt von Tillow, of California.
Kurt von Tillow of Cameron Park, California, and his wife Mary Jo were best friends who did everything together. They golfed together and recently brought their two grandchildren to Disneyland. Together, they attended the country musical festival with their daughter and two more relatives.
Von Tillow's wife and daughter escaped unharmed. But the 55-year-old truck driver died of his injuries, a relative told CNN. Von Tillow's sister and niece were hospitalized Monday and are expected to survive, Janet Carson-Tenney said.
"He lived a perfect life. He was loved by everybody, he didn't have an enemy, he didn't have a mean bone in his body. He was the life of the party," Carson-Tenney told CNN. She'll remember his laugh and how much he loved his family.

Jack Beaton's son described him as his best friend.
Jack Beaton of Bakersfield, California, was attending the concert with his wife Laurie and their friends. Three hours before the shooting, he posted a blurry photo on Facebook of the gang lounging on the lawn, koozie-covered beers in hand.
The day after the shooting, Beaton's son shared a picture on Twitter of his father and asked for prayers.
"He jumped in front of my mom and got shot," he wrote. "I love you dad."
Later, he posted on Facebook: "Lost my best friend. I love you so much more (than) you could ever imagine."

Melissa Ramirez graduated in 2014 with a bachelor's degree in business administration.
Melissa Ramirez, a California State University Bakersfield graduate, was killed during the Las Vegas shooting, according to the school.
Ramirez graduated from CSUB in 2014 with a bachelor's degree in business administration. Flags at the school were lowered on Monday in honor of Ramirez and the other victims and will remain so through sunset on Friday, the school said in a statement.
"We are terribly saddened to learn that we lost a member of our CSUB family in this senseless act of violence. Our entire CSUB campus community is heartbroken, and we send our deepest sympathies to Melissa Ramirez's family and friends," the school said.
Rachael Parker worked as a records technician.
Rachael Parker, a 33-year-old records technician for the police department in Manhattan Beach, California, was shot and died at the hospital, Manhattan Beach Police Department said.
She worked for nearly a decade at the front desk of the police station. Even in those stressful confines, she was known for her "cheerful and compassionate demeanor," police said.
"Rachael's smile could light up a room, even on the most difficult of days."
She also had eyes on higher education. Parker earned her bachelor's degree in social work from Colorado State University in June 2016, and she was in the process of applying to graduate school, police said.
She had a particular passion for working with older adults -- she completed her undergraduate practicum by working with Manhattan Beach's Older Adults Program -- and she loved her two adopted dogs, Maddie and Izzy. She enjoyed baking, country music and Los Angeles Kings hockey, police said.
"Rachael, we love you and we miss you. Our hearts are breaking," police wrote. "Please keep Rachael's family and friends in your thoughts during this difficult time."
She was one of four off-duty Manhattan Beach police employees who attended the Vegas concert. Another police employee, a sworn officer, was shot and suffered minor injuries, the department said.

Jordan McIldoon, 25, was visiting Las Vegas from British Columbia.
Jordan McIldoon, a 25-year-old from Maple Ridge, British Columbia, died holding the hand of a stranger at the concert.
Heather Gooze told CNN she somehow ended up next to McIldoon, and, even though she didn't know him, she held his hand during his final minutes. She felt a squeeze from his fingers, then felt his hand go loose.
Gooze knew there was nothing more to do, she said, yet she stayed with McIldoon for hours. When his phone rang, she answered it and learned his name -- and said everything was not OK, she recalled.
Then, Gooze relayed the news of his death by phone to his long-term girlfriend and his mother, she said, all the while staying by his side.
"I didn't want Jordan to not have somebody with him," she told CNN through tears. "I didn't want him to just be a no-named body. I knew who he was, and now I had an obligation to make sure that everyone knew who he was."
McIldoon's mother told Gooze he was a good, nice and fun person.
"He loved his girlfriend and had great family and great friends," Gooze told CNN.

Christopher Roybal, 28, worked at a gym in North Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Christopher Roybal, a 28-year-old general manager at a Crunch gym in North Colorado Springs, Colorado, was known for his "big teddy bear smile and infectious laughter," according to David Harman, managing partner at Crunch.
"More than a team member, we lost someone who was a son, mentor, friend and hero, as a Navy veteran who served in Afghanistan," Harman said.
Ryan Chiaverini, Roybal's former brother-in-law, told CNN that Roybal was attending the concert with his mother to celebrate his 29th birthday. He had a really good sense of humor and had a "fun, sweet, innocent way about him," Chiaverini said.
In a Facebook post from July, Roybal poignantly reflected on what it's like being shot at from his time overseas.
"My response has always been the same, not one filled with a sense of pride or ego, but an answer filled with truth and genuine fear/anger," he wrote.
He said his first fight was something he'd never forget. He felt sensory overload and extreme adrenaline, making him "excited, angry and manic." But as the fights continued, the excitement faded, leaving just the anger, he wrote.
"What's it like to be shot at? It's a nightmare no amount of drugs, no amount of therapy and no amount of drunk talks with your war veteran buddies will ever be able to escape," he wrote. "Cheers boys."
He died of wounds suffered in the concert shooting.
Hannah Ahlers, 34, was a mother of three who had lived in California for years.
Brian Ahlers told CNN his wife of 17 years was "shot in the head while dancing" with him at the music festival.
Hannah Ahlers, 34, was a stay-at-home mom of three who had lived in Beaumont, California, for the last five years, but was originally from Redlands.
"She was a full-time house wife and mommy and she was amazing at it," he said. "Very active in moms groups and our daughter's volleyball team. She wasn't too good for anybody. Beautiful inside and out."
Ryan Chiaverini, who was friends with Ahlers, told CNN that "she couldn't hurt a fly."
"She was one of the kindest people I've met," he said.
Stacee Etcheber attended the concert with her husband.
The San Francisco Police Officers Association confirmed Tuesday that Stacee Etcheber was killed in the attack.
Etcheber attended the concert with her husband, Vinnie Etcheber, a San Francisco police officer who was off duty. When the shooting began, Vinnie Etcheber told his wife to run as he began to render aid to those wounded, the SFPOA said in a statement.
"With heavy hearts, we've learned that Stacee Etcheber has passed away. Stacee was a wonderful, caring wife, mother, and daughter. She will be terribly missed," SFPOA President Martin Halloran said in a statement.
"Our deepest condolences go out to the entire Etcheber family and our thoughts and prayers are with all those who lost a loved one during this tragic attack."
Denise Salmon Burditus, 50, was in Las Vegas for a weekend getaway with her husband.
Denise Salmon Burditus, 50, and her husband, Tony, had traveled to Las Vegas and were enjoying a weekend away from their West Virginia home.
The couple, who were married for 32 years, posted to their social media accounts pictures of themselves lounging by the pool and having dinner with friends. Half an hour before the shooting began Sunday, Denise Burditus posted a picture of the two standing in front of the Route 91 Harvest stage.
The couple were dancing with each other when the gunfire started, and initially kept dancing after the first burst of gunfire, not sure what it was. During the second burst, Tony Burditus said he led his wife through the crowd but a bullet hit her.
A stranger helped him move her, and someone rode with them to a hospital in the back of a truck. Tony Burditus said his wife died in his arms.
"It saddens me to say that I lost my wife of 32 years, a mother of two, soon to be grandmother of 5 this evening in the Las Vegas Shooting," he wrote on Facebook. "Denise passed in my arms. I LOVE YOU BABE."
Denise Burditus, a retired banking professional, had just returned to college. She was the former president of the Association of the US Army subchapter in Lacey, Washington, according to
Charleston Hartfield, an officer with the Las Vegas Police Department, was off duty when he was killed.
Charleston Hartfield was many things: a Las Vegas police officer, an accomplished Nevada Army National Guard sergeant first class and a youth football coach.
But beyond those titles, he "epitomizes everything good about America," said Brig. Gen. Zachary Doser, commander of the Nevada National Guard.
Hartfield was off-duty and attending the Route 91 Harvest concert when he was shot and killed, the Guard said in a statement.
Though just 34, Hartfield wrote a memoir titled "Memoirs of a Public Servant," which documented the "thoughts, feelings, and interactions of one Police Officer in the busiest and brightest city in the world, Las Vegas."
"Charleston Hartfield lived to serve the public and protect his family," Brig. Gen. William Burks, the adjutant general of the Nevada National Guard, said. "He is the epitome of a citizen-soldier."
Hartfield -- or "Coach Chucky," as some called him -- was also a coach for the Henderson Cowboys youth football program, the group said on Facebook.
"Coach Hartfield touched many lives both on and off the field. He was a great man who we all lost way (too) early," the program said.
Stan King, the father of one of the players on the team, said he was "an absolute all-American kind of guy."
"He is one of the nicest guys I know and helped countless youth become winners through NYS football here in Henderson, Nevada," King said. "This kind of guy comes around once in a blue moon. He was a very special guy to the community."
Angela Gomez was described as fun-loving and sweet.
Angela "Angie" Gomez was a "fun-loving, sweet young lady with a great sense of humor" who loved the stage, the Riverside Unified School District said in a statement.
Gomez attended Riverside Polytechnic High School in California and was a member of the class of 2015. She acted on stage with the Riverside Children's Theater, was involved in the middle and high school choir, and was a cheerleader for the high school, the school district said.
She challenged herself academically with honors and Advanced Placement courses, the school district said. And she "was always seen with a smile on her face whenever she was on campus."
"Angie was a loyal friend who loved her family and will be forever missed by all those who knew her," the district said.
Her English teacher and cheer coach Lupe Avila said the school was "deeply saddened by the loss of a wonderful young woman who had her whole life ahead of her."
Sonny Melton was a registered nurse from Tennessee. His wife survived the shooting.
Sonny Melton, 29, a registered nurse from Tennessee, was shot and killed in the attack Sunday night, according to the Henry County Medical Center in Paris, Tennessee, where he worked.
His wife, Heather Melton, an orthopedic surgeon at Innovative Orthopedics, survived the mass shooting, the statement reads.
In an interview with CNN affiliate WSMV, Heather Melton said her husband saved her life amid the gunfire.
"He saved my life. He grabbed me and started running when I felt him get shot in the back," she said. "I want everyone to know what a kind-hearted, loving man he was, but at this point, I can barely breathe."
Sonny Melton graduated from Union University in 2015 with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing Accelerated degree and was president of his BSNA class, according to the university.
"You know how when you met someone and you just know that they're good and kind? That was Sonny," said Christy Davis, assistant professor of nursing at Union. "He just had a sweet, kind spirit about him."
Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam tweeted that he was praying for those affected by the shooting, including Melton's family.
"In particular, Crissy and I extend our condolences and prayers to the family of Sonny Melton from West Tennessee who was among those killed in this tragedy," Haslam said. "We know other Tennesseans were in attendance or performing at the event, and my thoughts go out to them as we grieve and process the enormity of this attack. Tennessee stands with Las Vegas during this difficult time."
Sandra Casey was a special education teacher in California.
Sandra Casey, a special education teacher at California's Manhattan Beach Middle School, was fatally wounded in the shooting, according to Mike Matthews, the Manhattan Beach Unified School District Superintendent.
Casey had taught there for the past nine years and will be remembered for her sense of humor, her passion for her work, her devotion to her students, and her commitment to continuing her own learning and to taking on whatever new projects came her way, Matthews said.
"Our students, employees, and parents are devastated by Sandy Casey's death. We lost a spectacular teacher who devoted her life to helping some of our most needy students," Matthews said.
Several other members of the Manhattan Beach school district attended the music festival as well but were unharmed, the school district said.
Jenny Parks and her husband Bobby were both shot.
Jenny Parks, a kindergarten teacher for the Westside Union School District in California, was among those who died in the Vegas shooting, according to Steven McCarthy, her husband's uncle.
"She was truly one of the most loving people you could ever hope to meet," McCarthy said. "She always went out of her way to help anybody."
He said that he never saw her upset, and never saw her sad.
Her husband, Bobby Parks, is currently in surgery after a bullet injured his arm and finger, McCarthy said. He said that Bobby Parks is responsive and aware that his wife passed away.
Jenny Parks has two brothers who lived in Las Vegas, and the couple was visiting them.
Quinton Robbins
Quinton Robbins, from Henderson, Nevada, "was the most kind and loving soul," his aunt, Kilee Wells Sanders, said on Facebook.
Robbins' uncle, Mike Wells, confirmed that Robbins died and said his family was in disbelief. Quinton Robbins coached his younger brother's flag football team, and the two siblings had just attended a Dodgers game together.
"Everyone who met him, loved him," Sanders wrote. "His contagious laugh and smile. He was truly an amazing person. He will be missed by so many, he is loved by so many. So many awesome talents. I can't say enough good about this sweet soul."
Neysa Tonks was a Las Vegas resident and mother of three.
Neysa Tonks, a Las Vegas resident and mother of three, also lost her life in the shooting, her employer Technologent said. Tonks leaves behind three sons -- Kaden, Braxton and Greysen.
"Neysa has brought so much joy, fun and laughter to Technologent -- she will be greatly missed by all!"
Her son Kaden Manczek, 24, said although he is numb, "you are so happy for the life that she had."
"And what an amazing life she lived," he said.
Tonks' mother, Debbie Davis, said the family would like to live by something her daughter liked to say.
"If you ever said something like, 'Oh, I just hate that,' she'd say, 'Don't be a hater.' She said that all the time," Davis said. "Even if you said you hated broccoli, she'd go, 'Don't be a hater.'
"She just (was) a wonderful person with a huge light, that we will not let be dimmed."
Technologent has established a GoFundMe page on behalf of Tonks' family. The effort had raised more than $120,000 by Tuesday.
Susan Smith, 53, was an office manager.
Susan Smith, a 53-year-old mother who was the office manager for Vista Elementary School in California, was killed in the shooting, according to Jake Finch, the Simi Valley Unified School District's media relations coordinator.
Smith, who had been with the school district for 16 years, was a "big country music fan" and had gone to Las Vegas with a couple of friends for the music festival, Finch said.
She was "always so welcoming," Finch said, and served as the "right hand to the principal."
Smith was married with two young-adult children, Finch said. Her own kids were once a part of the school district and she was very active as a parent, Finch said.
"Everybody knew her," he added. "She touched a lot of lives."
The PTA at Vista Fundamental Elementary School posted condolences for Smith on Facebook, saying "she was a wonderful woman, an advocate for our children, and a friend."
Bailey Schweitzer was watching some of her favorite bands at the concert.
Bailey Schweitzer was with her mother watching some of their favorite bands at the Route 91 concert in Las Vegas when the 20-year-old was shot and killed, according to CNN affiliate KBAK.
Schweitzer graduated from Centennial High School, where she was a cheerleader and played volleyball. She was also a member of the Valley Bible Fellowship Church and helped run her family's business, Bakersfield Speedway.
Matt Woessner, a family friend, watched Bailey grow up and said she "had a heart for people." He told KBAK that "the whole community has lost a great person in Bailey Schweitzer and she's going to be truly missed everywhere."
Jennifer T. Irvine was a San Diego-based attorney.
San Diego-based attorney Jennifer T. Irvine, who was on vacation in Las Vegas to attend the concert, was one of the victims of the shooting, her publicist Jay Jones said.
Irvine practiced criminal and family law and owned her own boutique firm. Her website describes her as a "tenacious litigator" who is passionate about assisting clients during difficult times.
The website also notes other unique interests out of the courtroom. She earned a black-belt in taekwondo, enjoyed practicing hot yoga, was an avid snowboarder, and aspired to learn indoor rock climbing and to experience sky-diving, the site says.
Jones, her publicist, released the following statement:
"Remembering a dear friend & colleague whose life was cut short by an unspeakable tragedy. Our sincerest thoughts to those affected during this difficult time. May our unity & strength shine over the darkness."
Lisa Romero-Muniz was a school secretary in western New Mexico.
Lisa Romero-Muniz, a secretary for Gallup-McKinley County Schools in western New Mexico, was killed in the shooting, school district superintendent Mike Hyatt said.
Her son, Anthony Romero, told CNN she was generous and kind.
"She wore her heart on her sleeve ... she would give you the last dime she had with no questions asked and treated everybody like family."
Anthony Romero said his mother's smile would "brighten the darkest of nights."
She had worked for the school district since 2003 at three different schools and specifically worked as a discipline secretary, acting as an advocate for students during times of discipline.
"As many students have mentioned in some Facebook posts and to many of us, she was there for them and she respected them and tried to work with them as much as she could," Hyatt said.
He said Romero-Muniz was outgoing, kind, and considerate of all those she worked with.
"We cannot express enough the loss that our organization feels at this time, and the heartache we feel for Lisa's husband, children, grandchildren and family," Hyatt said.
Rhonda LeRocque, right, was of Tewksbury, Massachusetts.
Rhonda LeRocque of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was one of the victims in the shooting, her family said.
Her mother, Priscilla Champagne, told CNN that LeRocque was a "beautiful woman inside and out."
"A truly great mother, daughter, wife, aunt, sister, worker, and a good, kindhearted friend. She had a great faith in Jehovah God, and had a wonderful family life. She loved Hawaii, Disney, and country music." she said.
"She was the best of the best. She was the hostess with the mostess ... the glue who kept our family gatherings together. She will be greatly missed by us all."
Her sister, Korina Champagne, said in a Facebook post on Monday that her heart was broken.
"My Beautiful Sister Rhonda LeRocque lost her life in the Las Vegas mass shooting," Korina Champagne posted. "My heart is broken, I'm numb, I feel paralyzed. This doesn't seem real. All I can do is turn to God's Word for comfort, just as she would want me to. May shec rest now until her name is called and she is awakened in paradise."
She added a Bible passage to the end of her Facebook post, "Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment."
Erick Silva lived in Las Vegas and recently started working in security, his sister said.
Erick Silva, 21, was among the victims of Sunday's shootings, his stepsister Daisy Hernandez said. His family is holding a vigil for him tonight in Las Vegas, where he lived. She said that he had recently started working in security because he loved helping people.
"All I can tell you is that he was a great son, brother, uncle who was loved by so many people," Hernandez said. "He had just turned 21 this August and I'm pretty sure he died trying to protect people at that concert."
Jessica Klymchuk, a mother of four, lived in Alberta, Canada.
Jessica Klymchuk, a resident of Valleyview in Alberta, Canada, was also among the victims of Sunday's shooting. A single mother of four, she was an educational assistant, librarian and bus driver for St. Stephen's School in Valleyview, Holy Family Catholic Regional Division Superintendent Betty Turpin said in a statement.
"The scope of this tragedy is worldwide and we are feeling its impact here at home," the statement said.
Calla Medig was a waitress in Alberta, Canada.
Calla Medig, a resident of Jasper, Canada, was one of the people who died in Sunday's mass shooting, her employer confirmed.
Medig was "super mature, light heartened, grounded, down to earth," said Scott Collingwood, general manager at Moxie's restaurant in West Edmonton, where Calla worked as a waitress since September 2015.
This was her third year attending the festival, Collingwood said. "She left a big hole in our hearts here," he said.
Tara Roe was from Alberta, Canada.
Tara Roe was an educational assistant with Foothills School Division in Alberta, Superintendent of Schools John Bailey said in a statement identifying her among the dead.
She also was a model for Sophia Models International, the agency said in a Facebook post.
"She was always a friendly face and had a very caring spirit. We are saddened, shocked and pray for everyone affected by this tragedy."
Michelle Vo lived in Southern California.
Michelle Vo, a New York Life Insurance employee in its Greater Pasadena office, was among the victims of the shooting, a New York Life spokesperson said.
"Like all Americans, we are shocked and saddened at the terrible tragedy that has unfolded in Las Vegas. Our grief is deepened by knowing that a member of the New York Life family, Michelle Vo, an agent in our Greater Pasadena office, was among those killed. During this terrible time, our thoughts and prayers go out to her family and loved ones."
Carrie Barnette
Disney employee Carrie Barnette was one of the victims of Sunday's shooting, the company's Chairman and CEO Robert Iger said Monday.
"A senseless, horrific, act, and a terrible loss for so many. We mourn a wonderful member of the Disney family: Carrie Barnette. Tragic," Iger tweeted.
In a statement, the company said Barnette had worked for Disney for 10 years "and was beloved by her friends and colleagues."
"Another valued Disney cast member, Jessica Milam, was also seriously injured and we are praying for her recovery," the statement said.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:16 pm know, based on the past 48 hours, this one might blow open.

There is a lot of damage control to do if they're going to stick with the lone gunman / single shooter narrative.

This incident is also proof that RI may have entered a final gestational phase, because our current thread contains about 10% of the currently available reported weirdness. Paddock is clearly the kind of man that Daniel Hopsicker specializes in reporting on -- the planes, the fact he was clearly an arms dealer of some sort, the lack of a fucking job -- and his wife is, if anything, exponentially stranger, an obvious spook with a long resume.

Thank you, Mac, for staying on top of the real thread here: the tissue-thin official story and media complicity with law "enforcement."
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:48 pm

Thanks, WR.

I know next to nothing about Stephen Paddock's wife and I know absolutely nothing of any gunrunning activities of his. He certainly had an expensive lifestyle (Two private planes? Vegas gambling holidays?) but then he was reportedly a successful property developer and he had no kids to support. Apparently he did a lot to support his very old mother financially, as well as his brother's family and his own wife, wherever that money actually came from.

See this second interview with the brother, Eric.

These 33 minutes make strange viewing and listening. Eric Paddock looks and sounds like someone who has barely slept in three days and is struggling to hold it together after being told his only brother is now a dead spree killer. Though he appears to have little sense of how he comes across, it is not a mere cringefest. Fwiw, he does strike me as genuine, not as someone who is knowingly spinning a yarn. His very lack of "media savvy" makes him kind of likable. His boundaries are slipping and his talk is at times almost manic -- which is not to say it's stupid or insane or implausible. Everything just keeps spilling out of him as he tries to convey his bafflement. I do respect the way he stands his ground there in his driveway, the way he resists & objects to the media's caricature sketch of his brother as an "eccentric" "loner" who "snubbed the neighbours" and "disrespected his wife". It's almost funny at times, but not so you would cry tears of laughter.

Eric P. may well not have known everything his brother was up to -- which adult does? -- but the picture he paints here is not a portrait of a bully or a shut-in or a complete misanthrope (or misogynist), much less a monstrous psychopathic mass-murderer.

Worth listening to in full (while driving or cooking or whatever) even if you find it too long to watch. But the guy's facial expressions and body language are also worth observing. Interviews like this, if any even exist, are not often broadcast in full.
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