Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:09 pm

stickdog99 » 04 Oct 2017 13:47 wrote:
Furthermore, in whose interest is it that you are so eager to believe that a large plurality of your fellow citizens would love nothing more than to shoot scores of innocent people like you for no reason whatsoever?


It's truly terrifying, isn't it? That's the very concept the brother is imparting.

Agreed, one can't know if the brother is speaking of his own free will or being instructed how to talk, simply from his behavior.

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My take at this point, spook patsy.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:17 pm

Here is more information about the girl friend Marilou and their life in Nevada.

There is also some additional background on Stephen Paddock.

Evidently their life together was not always without conflict.

I can not get the article to copy so here is link.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/04/n ... n-paddock/

Regards the camera in the hallway; I read but cannot find the article that the camera was placed on a food cart left in the hallway for pick up by room service. The camera could have been installed on the cart immediately prior to the shooting in the suite and wheeled into the hall.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:41 pm

Project Willow » 04 Oct 2017 22:09 wrote:
stickdog99 » 04 Oct 2017 13:47 wrote:
Furthermore, in whose interest is it that you are so eager to believe that a large plurality of your fellow citizens would love nothing more than to shoot scores of innocent people like you for no reason whatsoever?


It's truly terrifying, isn't it? That's the very concept the brother is imparting.

Agreed, one can't know if the brother is speaking of his own free will or being instructed how to talk, simply from his behavior.

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My take at this point, spook patsy.


To me, the brother seemed to going out of his way to wholly endorse the lone "evil genius" theory and to "normalize" all the reported anomalies of his brother's behavior up to and even including mass murder.

His brother's message was that Stephen was not strange in any way because he was a high stakes gambler. Stephen was not strange in any way because he wired $100,000 to the Philippines. There is no reason to think that any of Stephen's friends, lovers, or business partners had to be involved in this in way, shape, or form. Stephen was not strange in any way because kept to himself and was a totally private person. Nor is it strange to think a guy like Stephen could get all those guns up to his hotel room or pull all of this off on his own. While I buy everything Stephen's brother is saying, I am not clear on why he is so motivated to make all of this so painfully clear to his adoring news media.

Now this could all be the product of simple cognitive dissonance. In this scenario, Stephen's brother is simply flabbergasted by all the supposed anomalies being discussed on the news because at this point the only thing abut the event that seems anomalous to him in any way is his brother's decision to mass murder dozens of innocent people for no reason whatsoever.

Of course, there is also another scenario in which Stephen's brother was in business with Stephen in more ways than one. Thus his brother has more than an inkling of the way the wind blows for "persons of interest" in such cases who question anything other than their loved one's inscrutable motives.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:51 pm

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Regards the camera in the hallway; I read but cannot find the article that the camera was placed on a food cart left in the hallway for pick up by room service. The camera could have been installed on the cart immediately prior to the shooting in the suite and wheeled into the hall.


Here is an article that refers to this: http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vega ... el-2017-10

Two cameras were placed in the hallway outside Stephen Paddock's room, with at least one of them set up on a food-service cart to monitor activity, police said.

Again, this makes more sense to me if Paddock were either gathering evidence and/or being monitored. I just don't see the supposed benefit of putting two security cameras in the hallway to monitor the inevitable response of law enforcement to hundreds of gunshots.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Heaven Swan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:57 pm

An article just came out on the NYT that shows a diagram of his room and says that one of the cameras was planted above the peephole and the other on a service cart in the hallway.

Many of these shooters are killed by police so maybe he wanted to see when and who was about to storm his room so he could head them off and return fire.

Hey sleuths, the Mandalay Bay hotel is a 4 star not a 5 star hotel. And hotel security isn't like White House security, the guards aren't constantly monitoring every inch of hallway.

I agree with Jack and most of the country about the importance of the basic question of Why? And why would thiis be strategic as a Gladio type false flag? The country is already at astronomically high tension levels. What need would ramping up the tension serve? I just get back from Europe and being away from this madness was really helpful. The stress and tension in this country is off the charts.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:01 pm

Freudian Slip?

Paddock, police confirmed, had cameras set up inside and outside of his room – including one on the food service cart. The cameras outside the room appear to have been used to warn Lombardo when police were outside.

LOL. Lombardo is the sheriff.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby barracuda » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:04 pm

PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:17 pm wrote:Regards the camera in the hallway; I read but cannot find the article that the camera was placed on a food cart left in the hallway for pick up by room service. The camera could have been installed on the cart immediately prior to the shooting in the suite and wheeled into the hall.


One camera is under the overturned dishes. The cable runs behind the cart and under the door on the lower left.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:09 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 727518001/

Police said that Paddock, who killed 58 and wounded more than 500 others in the shooting spree before killing himself, brought at least 23 guns to his 32nd floor hotel suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort from where he carried out the attack. Investigators also found 10 suitcases in the room that they believe were used to bring the arsenal of weapons into the hotel, Lombardo said.

Investigators say they found another 19 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition at the man’s home in Mesquite, Nev. In addition, Lombardo revealed a search of a house that Paddock owned in Reno turned up more guns and a plethora of ammunition.

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Several gun shop owners in Nevada and elsewhere have already come forward to say that they sold weapons to the gunman.

The owners of Guns & Guitars, a dealer not far from gunman’s Mesquite home, confirmed selling guns to Paddock more than once. Janis and Mike Sullivan, the co-owners of the shop, noted they do not sell automatic weapons and are not licensed to do so.

“He passed every federal background check, every time he bought a gun,’’ Janis Sullivan, 67, told USA TODAY while standing behind the front-porch screen door of their house in Mesquite.

Chris Michel, the owner of Dixie GunWorx in St. George Utah, said he sold Paddock a shotgun earlier this year.

Michel said he noticed nothing unusual about the man.

"He was a normal, average 'Joe Blow' kind of guy," Michel said. "There was nothing special that happened. He came in a couple of different times, we dealt with him as a normal customer."

The shooter is also believed to have purchased a number of weapons at Cabela’s in Verdi, Nev., according to a federal law enforcement official. The official who is not authorized to comment publicly said that a number of big box gun dealers, including Cabela’s, have voluntarily contacted law enforcement authorities to provide information about the shooter’s gun purchases."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:21 pm

barracuda » 04 Oct 2017 23:04 wrote:
PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:17 pm wrote:Regards the camera in the hallway; I read but cannot find the article that the camera was placed on a food cart left in the hallway for pick up by room service. The camera could have been installed on the cart immediately prior to the shooting in the suite and wheeled into the hall.


One camera is under the overturned dishes. The cable runs behind the cart and under the door on the lower left.

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So all of these "inconspicuous" cameras were wired up? Again, how exactly does the benefit of these obvious props exceed their risk in any scenario?

Before, I thought these cameras were part of a sting of some sort. This picture makes me think they were just another example of laughably bad spook scenesetting.

Remember the shredded documents at the Farook's house that the FBI did not even care to examine?

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:27 pm

Elvis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:06 pm wrote:



The mention of Adelman jumped out to me because when these fishy mass shootings occur (let alone in Las Vegas) why does my mind always flash to Adelman? He can afford to fund any operation he chooses, he's got the connections, and he's probably untouchable. Chertoff is a close second. Any indication they've been working together?


I thought of this while watching the second interview with Eric Paddock on CBS that MacCruiskeen linked. Particularly when I heard this money quote:

"This will all come out ... if the casinos aren't lying."


I sincerely doubt Mandalay Bay does not have security camera footage that would show whether Stephen Paddock carried all those suitcases of guns to his hotel room, or whether he paid a bellperson $100 to carry it up for him, or if someone else did it themselves. They've got security cameras everywhere: the casino, the lobby, the elevators, the hallways. They've got footage of whether Stephen Paddock set up those security cameras to see when police were approaching or someone else did. They've got footage of every moment Paddock stepped in and out of his hotel room - and if anyone else did while he was alive. Will the general public ever see it?

PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:05 pm wrote:Paddock is characterized as intelligent and competent and nary a mention of aliens despite being so near Area 51.

Pardon my dark humor, but I thought of this when in the same interview, Eric Paddock said:

"The bug in Men in Black put on a Steve suit and did this."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:31 pm

Heaven Swan » 04 Oct 2017 22:57 wrote:An article just came out on the NYT that shows a diagram of his room and says that one of the cameras was planted above the peephole and the other on a service cart in the hallway.

Many of these shooters are killed by police so maybe he wanted to see when and who was about to storm his room so he could head them off and return fire.

Hey sleuths, the Mandalay Bay hotel is a 4 star not a 5 star hotel. And hotel security isn't like White House security, the guards aren't constantly monitoring every inch of hallway.

I agree with Jack and most of the country about the importance of the basic question of Why? And why would thiis be strategic as a Gladio type false flag? The country is already at astronomically high tension levels. What need would ramping up the tension serve? I just get back from Europe and being away from this madness was really helpful. The stress and tension in this country is off the charts.


What about the third camera that was supposedly outside that room? Has this now been written out the story because of overkill?

And why did Trump get coronated if not to ramp up tension in this country strategically? If this shooting was not a product of a single deranged mind, it was probably a kill several birds with one operation set up. Getting rid of Paddock and at least one person in the crowd were probably the primary goals, and ramping up tension to sell guns and accelerate our ever expanding security state was the gravy.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby 82_28 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:34 pm

Here are a couple of tell tale witnesses.

Brian Hodge.

The Latest: Guest next to Vegas gunman's room 'shaken'

October 03, 2017 3:04 AM
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The Latest on the shooting in Las Vegas (all times local):

11:30 p.m.

An Australian man who says he had the room next to the gunman's says he's "shaken" by Sunday's attack.

Brian Hodge wasn't in the room when 64-year-old retired accountant Stephen Paddock opened fire on an outdoor concert across the street, killing 59 people and wounding more than 500. Instead, the 36-year-old was returning to the hotel after dinner, and made it up to the 32nd floor, when shots rang out.

Eventually, Hodge took shelter in the bushes outside the Mandalay Bay hotel.

Paddock had 23 guns in the room where he had been staying since Thursday.

Hodge says it's 'unsettling' to think he had been sleeping next to a room filled with guns and ammunition.


http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/ ... 05571.html

Bolded because I found that part kind of curious. I watched the press conference last night and the sheriff mentioned that a security guard contacted the room first while the assault was taking place. His name is Jesus Campos.

Jesus Campos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

An unarmed security guard is being heralded as a hero after he was the first person to discover Stephen Paddock inside his Las Vegas hotel room.

The Daily Beast reported Wednesday that Jesus Campos, a security guard at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was the first person to locate where the intense gunfire was coming from Sunday evening. Upon locating Paddock’s hotel room, Campos was shot in the right leg through the door. He reportedly radioed for assistance, and armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock. When officers finally breached the hotel room door, they say they discovered Paddock dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. It was the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

Police say Paddock used several high-powered guns to kill 58 people and injure 527 more gathered across the street for a country music festival.

“We just want to make sure that Mr. Campos and all of our officers are recognized for what they do every day, which is protect people,” Police and Fire Professionals of America Dave Hickey told The Daily Beast.

Here’s what you need to know about Campos and the incident:
1. Campos Reportedly Located the Room & Was Greeted With Gunfire

Breaking: Pictures of the Las Vegas shooters hotel room have been leaked. #LasVegasShooting pic.twitter.com/g0Ue9dvtUu

— Mike Tokes (@MikeTokes) October 3, 2017

Police say Paddock checked into his Mandalay Bay hotel room Thursday, September 28 and set up multiple firearms around the room. As country music star Jason Aldean took the stage around 9:40 p.m. local time, Paddock, who’s described as a “millionaire” by his brother, took aim at the more than 22,000 people gathered at Route 91 Harvest festival.

At 10:08 p.m., concert-goers were sent fleeing for safety as Paddock opened fire with the guns, pausing at times to reload clips. The incident lasted for about 15 minutes, and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said it was investigating it immediately afterward, shutting down many parts of the city in the process.

We're investigating reports of an active shooter near/around Mandalay Bay Casino. Asking everyone to please avoid the area. #LVMPDnews

— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017

In under two hours, police located the source of the gunfire and launched an operation to take down the suspect. (???? Could just be a misprint ????)

The new revelations as to what transpired between then and when Paddock was located in his 32nd-floor hotel room paint a different picture of what happened.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters October 3 his officers received reports of Paddock’s location via Mandalay Bay’s dispatch system.

“That helped us located where this individual was sequestered,” Lombardo said. “We would not have engaged this individual in the time lapse we did without their assistance.”

Campos was the first one to discover Paddock, according to The Daily Beast report, as he searched floor-to-floor carrying only a nightstick. When he approached the door, a bullet hit him in the leg, Hickey told The Daily Beast.

As he laid on the ground injured, Campos radioed to the dispatch center, which brought other guards and officers to the door. They reportedly exchanged gunfire with Paddock prior to blasting open the door and finding his dead body on the floor.


http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jesus-cam ... ck-photos/

So, all things being equal, wouldn't Hodge have seen Campos laying on the floor injured since as he reports he returned to his room adjacent the shooter as the shooting began? Also, if Hodge just happened to have missed Campos, why did Hodge not notify security when he returned to the casino floor with his room number yet just flees outside into the hedges and sounds to have done absolutely nothing?

Alright. Jeesh. Before I hit submit I decided to look up this Hodge guy and this is the first hit. It's been debunked.

Blog peddles fake story saying security guards ID'd as shooters at Mandalay Bay

An online website that describes itself as "free independent news" is pushing a false story that a Las Vegas shooting victim saw multiple gunmen dressed as security guards at Mandalay Bay.

One of the more pervasive conspiracy-minded claims spinning around the Internet is that the Las Vegas shooting was some type of staged attack or that there were multiple gunmen. As of this writing, there is no evidence any of that is true.

However, the website Neon Nettle claimed that an eyewitness to the shooting reported "multiple gunmen dressed as security guards."

"As the mainstream media in the US attempts to lock down the ‘crazy lone wolf gunman’ narrative for the devastating shooting attack in Las Vegas, the truth has started to seep through foreign news outlets who don't follow the same political agenda as the American MSM," the post, dated Oct. 3, 2017, reads.

The post goes on to tell the story of Brian Hodge, an Australian who was reportedly staying on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, the same floor as the shooter.

The story talks about an Oct. 2 interview Hodge gave to the Courier Mail, an Australian tabloid. In that article, Hodge said he hid in the bushes outside the casino hotel until police arrived.

"There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us," Hodge is quoted as saying.

Later, Hodge said: "My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor."

While there are some reports a security guard was shot, we are unable to confirm if that’s accurate. And while Hodge is quoted as saying shooters plural, there is no evidence he’d have any way of knowing.

In fact, Hodge gave an interview to the Sydney Morning Herald in which he more fully describes what he saw.

Hodge told that newspaper that he never made it to his room on the 32nd floor and after hearing the bullets he first went to a casino kitchen before hiding in a bush outside.

"I was just laying on the ground. It was like a scene from a movie. The shooter was up above, we didn't know where they were... I didn't want anyone to know where I was, so I just curled up and hid. It was the most terrifying moment of my life."

Hodge also posted on Facebook, "There is a live shooter with a gun in my hotel in Vegas right now, but I got outside safely and hiding in bushes."


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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:41 pm

NY Times is still reporting three cameras, two outside the room, and contending that the second broken window was not part of Paddock's suite:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -room.html
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:45 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:20 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » 04 Oct 2017 20:28 wrote:- Cameras: certainly consistent with spookery. The camera is going to be small enough that it shouldn't be noticed easily. Planting it can be done inconspicuously, but practice or training helps. Might have also just done it as the final step before the attack.


How to you "plant" two security cameras in the hallway of a Vega casino inconspicuously? Have you ever been to Mandalay Bay?


I don't get to do that bullshit. Might be fun sometime.

Where do you suggest hiding a security camera without embedding it?


Probably involves applying glue and camouflaging with color. But don't ask me, ask a spook. They can probably do better than these models (wireless live cams), some small ones in the mix.

http://www.intelspy.com/realtime.html

Details will likely emerge with claims of what cameras were used.

EDIT FOR CROSS-POST: I see these details or "details" have emerged.

More to the point, why risk exposing your operation to casino security in this manner?


Presumably done immediately just before starting operation. (Not married to this idea.)

EDIT FOR CROSS-POST: Apparently the case.

How does the potential benefit of a few seconds of advanced warning of authorities (assuming the security cameras were even placed in a manner that would give such advanced warning, which I highly doubt) exceed the potential risk of the discovery of the cameras?


Fact: At one of the cop press conferences I watched, it was said before the full storming he had shot a security guard through the door. Got him in the leg, not serious injury, they said. This has not been repeated.

EDIT FOR CROSS-POST: Never mind, the story is told above, Jesus Campos.

Isn't it far more likely that the cameras were placed for evidentiary purposes?


Cannot assess what this means. Whose evidence?

If his brother knew Stephen well enough to know Stephen had a one man business that specialized in selling guns to unsavory characters, wouldn't that explain his brother's lack of surprise that Stephen could pull off such an operation on his own?


Uh, yes? Speculation, but sure?

Also, none of the official story as told so far seems impossible to me. It requires a man with the requisite means and skill to pursue it with careful and long planning.

For alternate scenarios, rather than assuming a patsy, it seems to me more plausible to have him be the one shooter and dead at the end. Least moving parts at the end. Forcing him to it via blackmail or brainwashing seems problematic to me; unlikely but more likely than other set ups. But again, return to the first of those simple questions I asked:

In other words, violent and capable asshole wants to die this way (for whatever reason) vs. group wants to execute an operation for other political-economic purposes. For this case (shooting at this concert and leaving a dead lone white shooter), suggest a beneficiary motive and an outline of a operative execution. Whatever it is, so far all suggestions on the available evidence (i.e., what WE can see and are presented) leave the lone self-motivated shooter as the more plausible scenario with fewest moving parts.

And to obscure any chance of clarity you've got the Internet merchandising whores and RW ideological commandos of the Internet pumping out 30,000 brands of bullshit multiplied by 100 million re-postings and riffs from the fandom.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:03 pm

The narrative we are supposed to buy is that the guy shot himself before the authorities arrived and met whatever maker he did or did not believe in directly after murdering scores of innocent people for no discernible reason then offing himself.


Which is known to happen every two to six weeks, right? Or are you going with every one-person mass shooting event is staged?

stickdog99 wrote: How is that not a consequence? Furthermore, in whose interest is it that you are so eager to believe that a large plurality of your fellow citizens would love to shoot scores of innocent people like you for no reason whatsoever so much that they are more than willing to face such consequences to do so?


Plurality? Nope. Most men not like this, even fewer women. Just a large indeterminate chunk, and I've arrived at the idea by listening. Only one in 10,000 out of this group has to be inclined to actual execution to provide a steady stream of mass shooter incidents. Eager? Au contraire! It pains me. But it is visible and audible both in the culture and in things people say/ways they act. No reason? Hardly, lots of people often talking their reasons in an idle way. Not to be shooters, but in the abstract to see a bit of genocide or other mass death? Sure.

me wrote:The brother totally convinces me


stickdog99 wrote:because you are looking in the mirror.


Hey, hey, no need for that, brother. And my bias would hardly be that. It would be that I'd be looking at a rich white guy with no sense of life in the world outside his bubble and at least mild contempt for it.

Now the stuff you posted about how he would act if he and his bro were involved in spookery or other dirt is an interesting line of speculative argument. Why you think it conflicts with what I say, though?

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