Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:10 am

Burnt Hill » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:52 am wrote:
SonicG wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:12 pm wrote:
SonicG » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:55 am wrote:Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...


... and although the whole front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is clearly visible throughout - from before the first set of single shots to after the first burst of loud rapid fire - at no time is there any sign of a muzzle flash from anywhere in that building.

That`s the second video I`ve seen that clearly shows the relevant side of the hotel, including the whole of the 32nd floor, while sustained loud gunfire is audible -- and there is no muzzle flash to be seen at any time. Not the faintest flicker. Not the slightest indication that anyone is firing from the Mandalay.


Yes - 100% agreed...I intended to mention that as I looked for muzzle flashes also... :cheers: :cheers:


Well there are no visible muzzle flashes anywhere.
And lots of focus did go towards Mandalay.
We do agree a shooting happened?

I read somewhere that muzzle flash isn't visible past 200 yards.
I think the venue was over 400 yards away.


Yeah, I forgot to mention that also :oops: ...Maybe too far...Certainly. None from helicopters either...There is no video taken from close to the Mandalay except for the flashes on the fourth floor which I think are pretty clearly not muzzle flashes...
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Elvis » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:20 am

Paddock apparently purchased a bolt-action rifle the day of or day before the shooting, but he didn't take it to the hotel. What's up with that? Doesn't sound like a guy who planned to be dead the next day.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby identity » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:28 am

Elvis » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:20 pm wrote:Paddock apparently purchased a bolt-action rifle the day of or day before the shooting, but he didn't take it to the hotel. What's up with that? Doesn't sound like a guy who planned to be dead the next day.


Maybe just another thing he simply had to do before bidding the world adieu, just like getting that recipe at the old folks home!
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:57 am

Re: muzzle flashes - how visible are muzzle flashes on the weapons the shooter is said to have used? Is it safe to assume they would be visible from a few hundred feet away longitudinally and 32 floors vertically? I don't know the answer, and this seems a very relevant question. I see a lot of assumptions around the web that the answer is yes to both, but if someone posted anything beyond MacC's close-up of AR-15 shots here, I have missed it. SonicG mentioned 200 yards being a kind of rule of thumb for visibility of such. If the basic physics of such flashes being visible from a specified distance/angle or not, that can either eliminate a lot of claims or support them.

As for the alleged shooter allegedly buying a weapon the day before - maybe he decided ultimately it wasn't useful compared to what he already had. Maybe he practiced with it after purchase and it wasn't what he had hoped. Maybe Paddock is innocent and just happened to buy a rifle that day. There are thousands of scenarios one can invent to explain the purchase that would not make it anomalous that he bought the rifle but didn't use it. To my mind, the purchase of a rifle the day before a shooting, by itself, does not fail to "sound like someone who did not plan to be dead the next day." Absent other related points, this doesn't mean that much to me either way.

Generally speaking: let us also keep in mind that places like 4chan that are spearheading ideas on this story and have been since the start can and probably are used as poison pills with equal regularity as places like WaPo and NYT; both to spread plain disinfo and to spread truth in a way that makes it look like disinfo.

In the information age, information overload is a highly effective way to derail the kind of crowd-sourced truth-seeking people are inclined to do at RI and elsewhere.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:19 pm

Las Vegas Massacre Survivor Abruptly Dies Just Days After Posting Eyewitness Account Of Multiple Shooters And Subsequent Cover-Up
Shepard Ambellas
October 13th, 2017
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http://www.shtfplan.com/conspiracy-fact ... p_10132017

(INTELLIHUB) — A woman by the name of Kymberley Suchomel, 28, who attended the Oct. 1 Route 91 Harvest Music Festival, passed away Monday at her Apple Valley home just days after she had survived the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history unscathed, according to multiple mainstream media reports.

Suchomel, who posted her eyewitness account of the Las Vegas massacre in astonishingly vivid detail to her Facebook page on Oct. 4, subsequently passed away in her home on Oct. 9 from what reports are claiming are ‘natural causes.’

Shockingly, just days before her death, Suchomel posted key details about the shooting to Facebook that contradicted the official narrative which claims that Stephen Paddock was the lone gunman.

“From about 50 feet in front of us, and a little to the right, fire crackers were set off. Let me repeat that… FIRE CRACKERS WERE SET OFF. I verbally stated “some asshole just shot of fire crackers in close proximity to so many people”. I was literally pissed off. You could see Jason Aldean look to his left kind of startled by it, but he was also clearly irritated. I would say about 15 seconds later, the first volley of gunfire was released,” the eyewitness wrote.

She went on…

It was a shorter volley than any of the others, and the gunfire was not as close together either. EVERYONE looked up, down, around. We thought it was more fire crackers at first, but then Ricky reached over, told us all to put our boots on, quickly. And the volley ended. Then people started to panic. The gentlemen behind me looked at me as I was putting on my boots, half laying down, and said “calm down crazy, its just fireworks, jeez”.

That is when the 2nd volley went off, Ricky yelled at us all to get down, flat, & we immediately knew there was someone shooting at us. I remember getting down, but I didn’t lay flat for some reason, thinking- oh my gosh, I need to get flatter than I am now, but my body just wouldn’t let me. That was the 2nd volley. At the end of that volley ( I am still struggling to get my boots on), we turned and tried to run, but the people behind us still weren’t moving. I yelled at the lady “RUN! ITS GUNFIRE! RUUUUUUUUUNNNNN!!!”

Third volley of gunfire hits astroturf

According to Suchomel the shooting was ‘close.”

“[When] the 3rd volley hit… and it was close. Very, very close to us. I could physically see the impact of the bullets on the astro-turf, I could feel the warmth & the passing of bullets. Once that 3rd volley was over, Casie linked her arm into mine, and we decided at that moment we weren’t stopping- we were getting the Hell out of there. And I do mean Hell. We were in literal Hell,” she claimed.

“The gentlemen that mocked me stating it was just fireworks fell to the ground, and he never got back up. The lady behind me (who was now in front of me) who was terrified as I told her to run, never got back up. I actually had to physically step over her body to run (something I am still struggling with, so please don’t attack me. I was absolutely in flight-or-fight mode). There was another person to my right who also wasn’t moving. We ran. I don’t know what direction we ran, I don’t know towards which landmark we ran. We just ran. It was at this time our group got split up. Casie & I were together. Ricky, Cassie & Mendy were together.”

Soon after, according to her account, Suchomel started to panic when she realized ‘100%’ that there was more than one shooter and that multiple gunmen were in the crowd!

“We were rounding some sort of corner maybe- and I looked to the right and I saw this large cowboy sitting down with his legs spread, holding a blood-soaked woman. I thought to myself “we NEED to hide”, but as I looked quickly for somewhere to go, the gunfire once again got closer and closer. We couldn’t hide because they (and I do mean THEY) were chasing us. That exact moment is when I started to really panic. That is the exact moment in which I thought this was it, I was going to die, I was never going to see my family again. So, as we are running, we approach this fence where men are throwing women over, and we ran up to it as they had knocked It down, so we were able to get out. As we crossed the threshold of the venue, my mind went straight to other mass shootings and hearing the victim’s families in my head talk about how they never got to say goodbye. I did not want this for my husband (who was at work) & my grandma (who had my daughter, Scarlett). So, at 10:07pm I called my husband franticly leaving him a voicemail- telling him that I loved him and was in the middle of a shooting & I wasn’t sure if I would make it out alive,” she explained.

“Next, while still running, I called my grandma to tell her the exact same thing. But the gunfire wasn’t stopping this whole time. It wasn’t ceasing. It wasn’t slowing down. And It was directly behind us, following us. Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way,” she explained “The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.”

“As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed. So we ended up running in a weird triangular path. The first place I remember getting to was a parking lot, and I told Casie (who was slightly in front of me) we needed to get under one of the trucks. She turned to me and started her way back to me, and that is when the gunfire got even CLOSER than ever before. It was RIGHT THERE. It was within the parking lot. Everyone around us was panicking once again. So we ditched the idea of getting underneath a vehicle, and we continued the run for our lives. If you know me, you know I am a big girl, who is out of shape, and who definitely does not run for any reason. But I can tell you I ran like I have never run before,” she continued in extreme detail.

The 2nd place I remember going by was Hooters- which is where we met back up with the rest of our small group. We ran towards the entrance thinking we could take cover there, but as we got closer, a stampede of people ran out, terrified. We could only conclude that there was another gunman inside of that hotel. This made us even more scared- we had nowhere to go- no one to trust. At some point, we ended up at the airport & even entered the building for safety. Everyone as we entered were screaming at the staff “IS IT SAFE IN HERE?” but we weren’t getting anyone to answer us, so after running about 30 feet into the building, not getting the answers we so desperately needed, we decided it, too, wasn’t a safe spot, so we got out of there quickly and continued running.

After all this running, we were tired, sore & having to stop to cough, gag and even vomit. We ran across an intersection & us & another group of people pleaded with a limo driver to let us in and get us out of there. He was clearly confused & didn’t understand what was going on, so he didn’t let us in. Next, we ran to a taxi van & she was willing to let us in, but she told us her van only held 4 people & she wasn’t going to let the 5 of us in, so we said screw it and continued running. At one point, we ran passed a small liquor store where they so graciously gave us water bottles. We passed UNLV as well.

‘Smaller Hispanic woman’ taunts victims minutes after shooting

Additionally, the eyewitness reported that she was running with her group alongside ‘Tropicana Avenue’ when a ‘dark-colored SUV’ slowed and a ‘smaller Hispanic woman’ emerged from the window to ‘taunt’ her group.

“[She] leans out the window, and she yells something we couldn’t understand in a clearly taunting manner. It really freaked us out, because again, we didn’t know who we could and could not trust,” the eyewitness explained.

Could this ‘smaller Hispanic woman’ have been the same ‘short Hispanic lady’ reported by another eyewitness to have threatened concertgoers 30-45 minutes before the shooting started?

Eight days later Suchomel was found dead in bed by her grandmother who arrived at Schomer’s residence at 8:30 a.m.

According to an Oct. 9 report confirming Suchomel’s death, Suchomel “was taking medication for a pituitary tumor and feared to fall asleep at night after being heavily traumatized by the Oct. 1 massacre.

Suchomel’s death may also be the reason that Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos is receiving 24/7 high-profile security protection.

Note: The actual Facebook post made by Suchomel was removed after the original article began to go viral.


Kymberley Jo (Snyder) Suchomel (1989 - 2017)
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After escaping Las Vegas shooting, High Desert Phoenix Foundation co-founder dies suddenly
http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20171009/after-escaping-las-vegas-shooting-high-desert-phoenix-foundation-co-founder-dies-suddenly

Vegas shooting survivor, California charity co-founder dies suddenly
http://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/2017101 ... s-suddenly

OCTOBER 13, 2017
LAS VEGAS SHOOTING SURVIVOR KYMBERLEY SUCHOMEL, WHO CLAIMED MULTIPLE SHOOTERS INVOLVED, DIES UNEXPECTEDLY
PATRICIA RAMIREZ
https://www.inquisitr.com/4553338/las-v ... xpectedly/
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:27 pm

Disclaimer: This is a post from Zero Hedge. I do not always agree with everything posted on Zero Hedge. I have not confirmed everything in this article. But I do find it very interesting, and I have provided just the link because the most interesting parts are the Laura Loomer* parts at the end of the article that have images and videos that would be hard to embed here.

*Disclaimer: Laura Loomer loves Steven Bannon. I do not love Steve Bannon, and I do not endorse Laura Loomer's political views.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:37 pm

stickdog99 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:27 pm wrote:Disclaimer: This is a post from Zero Hedge. I do not always agree with everything posted on Zero Hedge. I have not confirmed everything in this article. But I do find it very interesting, and I have provided just the link because the most interesting parts are the Laura Loomer* parts at the end of the article that have images and videos that would be hard to embed here


It goes without saying.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:56 pm

https://twitter.com/pearseshaun/status/ ... 7515695104

Disclaimer: This is claim someone made on twitter, I have no personally fact checked this claim, but I do find it interesting.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:01 pm

minime » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:37 pm wrote:
stickdog99 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:27 pm wrote:Disclaimer: This is a post from Zero Hedge. I do not always agree with everything posted on Zero Hedge. I have not confirmed everything in this article. But I do find it very interesting, and I have provided just the link because the most interesting parts are the Laura Loomer* parts at the end of the article that have images and videos that would be hard to embed here


It goes without saying.


Jesus christ. It goes without saying that you miss no opportunity to clog up this thread with needling, timewasting, infantile, content-free shitposts, while adding lterally nothing (neither useful information nor rational argument) to the debate. Wisely anticipating some likely stupid responses, Stickdog went out of his way to post an entirely unnecessary four-line detailed disclaimer especially for the hard-of-thinking, but of course you, being thicker than most, merely took that as another opportunity for yet another of your snivelling, brain-dead little provocations. Spare us it.

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Representative for security guard Jesus Campos speaks out
Posted: Oct 13, 2017 8:10 AM
Updated: Oct 14, 2017 5:44 PM
Written by Faith Tanner

A union representative of Jesus Campos said Campos was taken to a "quick clinic."

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -
The Mandalay Bay security guard who police said was shot in the resort's hallway by suspect Stephen Paddock the night of the 1 October shooting was expected to talk to reporters Thursday. Instead, his union representative said he hadn't seen or heard from Campos in hours.

David Hickey is the president of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America union. He said he had been working with Jesus Campos to help him get ready for his first media interviews.

But Hickey said during a meeting with MGM officials Thursday afternoon, Campos left and never came back.

"For the past four days he's been preparing ... (Thursday) we had a meeting with MGM officials, and after that meeting was over, we talked about the interviews, we went to a private area, and when we came out, Mr. Campos was gone." Hickey said.

Hickey said it was Campos who had requested to do the interviews with the media, because he wanted to tell his story and begin to move on.

Hickey did say that he got a text Thursday night, saying Campos was taken to a "quick clinic."

"Right now I'm just concerned where my member is, and what his condition is. It's highly unusual. I'm hoping everything is OK with him and I'm sure MGM or the union will let (media) know when we hear something," he said.

Hickey would not comment on the 1 October timeline.

Copyright 2017 KVVU (KVVU Broadcasting Corporation). All rights reserved.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36587912 ... speaks-out


What the hell is a "quick clinic"? And who took him there?

Also: How could this even happen? Was Jesus Campos ever left alone that evening? If not, who else was with him when he "disappeared"?

Disclaimer (for mini-him and anyone else who is brain-dead): This is a post from KVVU Broadcasting Corporation via Fox5Vegas. I do not always agree with everything posted by KVVU Broadcasting Corporation or Fox5Vegas. I have not confirmed everything in this article.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:03 pm

Quoted from Mac...

"This is a post from KVVU Broadcasting Corporation via Fox5Vegas. I do not always agree with everything posted on KVVU Broadcasting Corporation or Fox5Vegas. I have not confirmed anything in this article."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:05 pm

What a boring little prick you are.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:07 pm

MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:05 pm wrote:What a boring little prick you are.


Further evidence of your obsession with chakras 1, 2 and 3.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:14 pm

[quote="stickdog99 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:27 pm

*Disclaimer: Laura Loomer loves Steven Bannon. I do not love Steve Bannon, and I do not endorse Laura Loomer's political views.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:19 pm

minime wrote:
Further evidence of your obsession with chakras 1, 2 and 3.


As you prove for at least the fifth time in this thread, mini-you, you have literally nothing to contribute to the discussion, because a) you are too stupid, and b) you are entirely indifferent to the topic at hand. So just crawl up your own root chakra and take a long smelly shit there (it will make no difference whatsoever to your aura), as opposed to dropping your mini-turds all over this discussion board, you tiny-minded, timewasting, attention-seeking, pseudo-enlightened moron.
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