Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Wombaticus Rex]

Mandalay Bay has 43 floors, not 63. In unrelated news:

Fuck it! Nordic, why are you here? By all that is right and holy, you should have been banned long before Canadian_Watcher, you, with your astonishing record of suspensions.

I felt we always got along, at least until I finally called one of your postings out as "Bullshit. Twice in 10 fucking years I've criticized you and held my tongue for more often after reading your perspective. You have nothing at all to offer but criticism of other RI members, so fuck off.

Textbook infraction. Gotta give you the week off, bud.

[Karmamatterz]

It is very admirable what kind of information has been pulled together by some posters on this site. It is indeed a bit of detective work. But to hear some make claims about how dare the police not release ALL the information, or rip on some posters for not being true investigators is hogwash. Real detective work requires getting your hands dirty. Knocking on doors, rooting through trash, forensics and lots of other stuff. There are limits to what can be done via just the Internet and what you filter out of the MSM. Most good detectives do not read the MSM to do the bulk of their work. The police are under no obligation to release everything they have on a case unless demanded in court. Even then don't expect all. It's incredibly naive to think any law enforcement agency is required to dump all their findings into the public.

Spend some time hanging out with cops, at courthouses, etc....and you will get a different perspective. You don't have to agree with their reasoning, but unless you are totally close minded you can at least come to understand why they do what they do.

Don't take this to be criticism of some hugely important work being done here, but real digging requires your hands to leave the keyboard.

[Cordelia]

Oh don't worry, I have fucked off. But very rarely I will come see what is going on here, like today, when I'm stuck at home with a sick family member and bored out of my mind.

Wow Nordic. What would that mean to the ill member of your family ?

banned long before Canadian_Watcher,

When/why was Canadian Watcher banned?

sorry......

[stickdog99]

To summarize:

If Paddock actually rented out the adjoining room, something that I have never heard anyone claim except iamwhoiam, then that adjoining room was room 32-134.

However, while it is possible to rent out both the huge 32-135 suite and adjoining room 32-134 because they have adjoining interior doors as do many hotel rooms, nobody has ever claimed that both of these rooms were booked by Paddock, who was after all just a single person who would have no need of an extra bedroom and bathroom whatsoever.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/paddoc ... index.html

He reportedly used Danley's slot machine card to gamble at the Mandalay Bay's casino, according to Clark County Commission Chairman Steve Sisolak. It's not clear when he first showed up at the hotel, but he checked into the suite and an adjoining room on the 32nd floor on Thursday, September 28.
And then, shortly after 10 p.m. on Sunday, Paddock apparently swung a heavy hammer to smash out two windows, one in the room and the other in the suite. He opened fire on an unsuspecting crowd attending a country music festival 32 stories below. Round after round hailed down in rapid bursts for nine, 10, up to 11 minutes. It felt like an eternity.

Fake news! According to other accounts, the suite was comped, but Paddock paid for the adjoining room. Also, his downstairs neighbor had the suite below and adjoining room. Not uncommon.

It's referenced in the thread above, and everywhere on the Internet. I found it--this time--in 10 seconds via Google search. If you look for facts, or purported facts, you will find them. Please make a note of it.

My guess is in two or three days you will forget you have even read this.

And remember: Everything you and Mac have ever feared in your deep dark dank corners is true. And the truth is much, much worse than anything you have ever feared. Not only that, but every interaction you have in the public fora is under surveillance. Every act of intuition, every conclusion you reach... The closer you come to the truth, the more will be done to distance you from it.

True story.

Have a nice day!

Your google-fu is very impressive. Thanks for the supercilious ridicule as well. As you may have noted from my previous several posts just subsequent to yours, I did actually search google yesterday for exactly this information and I somehow came up short. However, as the news report you supplied the wrong check-in date and gives no source for the information provided, forgive me if I make the conclusion that the author of this news article made a reasonable assumption based on the fact that the two broken windows were located in adjoining rooms.



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Does anybody have any insights on the 9/01 (or 9/21?) arrival date listed on the last entry above?

More questions about the adjoining room: Why did the LVPD have to breach the door to the adjoining room? Paddock was supposedly found dead in 32-135. How and why did he lock the door of the adjoining 32-134 room where he had broken the other window?

[stickdog99]

An analysis of Paddock's valet check-in and check-out dates

According to records obtained from Valet Parking Services, Las Vegas killer Stephen Paddock was a guest at the Delano Hotel (part of the Mandalay Bay complex) as early as September 5, 2017.

The records shows Paddock’s vehicle was parked for several hours. The records state he stayed in room 61–104 which is one of the penthouse suites. Floors 39–41 (marked 60–62 in elevators) house Penthouses, which range from 1,500 to 2,500 square feet (140 to 230 m2).

In addition, Paddock appears to have parked overnight in the “Main Garage” of Mandalay Bay on September 8th and September 9th. Paddock checked in to Mandalay Bay again on September 25, according to this valet.

09/05/2017 at 14:07: Arrives at Delano Hotel
09/05/2017 at 00:12: Leaves same day
Total: about 10 hrs

Then gone for almost almost 2 1/2 days.

09/08/2017 at 10:14: Arrives at Mandalay Hotel
09/08/2017 at 11:11: Leaves same day
Total: less than 1 hour

Then gone for about 14.5 hours.

09/09/2017 at 13:48: Arrives at Mandalay Hotel
09/10/2017 at 00:22: Leaves that night
Total: about 10 hours

Then gone for over two weeks. On September 19th, Paddock supposedly picked up a rental car in Phoenix and drove it to Las Vegas dropping it off around 1 AM.



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09/25/2017 at 16:53: Arrives at Mandalay Hotel
09/25/2017 at 21:38: Leaves that night
Total: about 5 hours

Then gone for 25 hours.

09/26/2017 at 22:45: Arrives at Mandalay Hotel
09/27/2017 at 20:01: Leaves next day
Total: about 23 hours

Then gone for about 2 1/2 days.

09/30/2017 at 09:57: Arrives at Mandalay Hotel
09/30/2017 at 15:00: Leaves same day
Total: about 5 hours

The shooting started about 31 hours later.

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[SonicG]

I hadn't seen this photo before:


From a Free Republic thread, where they are sure this is a Clinton/FBI/"Deep State"/Liberal plot to whitewash Muslim terrorists and wrongly accuse Tea Party/Sov Citz...And yet their savior Trump seems to have little interest in helping them out...

[Spook]

To summarize:

More questions about the adjoining room: Why did the LVPD have to breach the door to the adjoining room? Paddock was supposedly found dead in 32-135. How and why did he lock the door the the adjoining 32-134 room that he had broken the window out of?

I was intending to bring this up if others hadn't yet.
If both windows were being used for gunfire and the "occupier" was moving between the two rooms, they why lock the adjoining door?
Doesn't make sense to me.

The hallway entrance to 32-134 was blocked by a cart, so would it be more likely that 32-135 would be breached by law enforcement?

One more question based on observation from the video upload of Paddock's room.
One can open either suite with a key card, why blow the door (the door supposedly still intact after being penetrated by 200 bullets)?

Sorry. but I have only questions to add at this point...

[stickdog99]

Supposedly the Chrysler listed above is the same Chrysler in which the police "found 10 one pound containers of tannerite, two 20 pound containers of tannerite, and 1,600 rounds of ammunition along with an unknown quantity of ammonium nitrate."

So Paddock loaded up his car with all these explosives, and then handed the keys to a valet. Was his "getaway plan" to wait for the valet to drive up with his "explosive laden" car?

[stickdog99]

My point for stickdog, one of a number, is that our fair member yhwh was not the only source of information (as stickdog claimed) true or otherwise, re: suite and adjoining rooms. Whether any of the facts presented to us are truetrue is tangential to my post. Not even interesting.

No, what interests you is infantile personal sniping. Have at it, mini-meaning.

[minime]

My point for stickdog, one of a number, is that our fair member yhwh was not the only source of information (as stickdog claimed) true or otherwise, re: suite and adjoining rooms. Whether any of the facts presented to us are truetrue is tangential to my post. Not even interesting.

No, what interests you is infantile personal sniping. Have at it, mini-meaning.

Did you notice that the two columns containing the arrival date and the request date, and only those two columns, do not align with the others? That is to say, they are both about 4 points higher than the others. Would you consider that problematic?

[Heaven Swan]

It is very admirable what kind of information has been pulled together by some posters on this site. It is indeed a bit of detective work. But to hear some make claims about how dare the police not release ALL the information, or rip on some posters for not being true investigators is hogwash. Real detective work requires getting your hands dirty. Knocking on doors, rooting through trash, forensics and lots of other stuff. There are limits to what can be done via just the Internet and what you filter out of the MSM. Most good detectives do not read the MSM to do the bulk of their work. The police are under no obligation to release everything they have on a case unless demanded in court. Even then don't expect all. It's incredibly naive to think any law enforcement agency is required to dump all their findings into the public.

Spend some time hanging out with cops, at courthouses, etc....and you will get a different perspective. You don't have to agree with their reasoning, but unless you are totally close minded you can at least come to understand why they do what they do.

Don't take this to be criticism of some hugely important work being done here, but real digging requires your hands to leave the keyboard.

Thanks Karmamatters, I wholeheartedly agree.

[minime]

My point for stickdog, one of a number, is that our fair member yhwh was not the only source of information (as stickdog claimed) true or otherwise, re: suite and adjoining rooms. Whether any of the facts presented to us are truetrue is tangential to my post. Not even interesting.

No, what interests you is infantile personal sniping. Have at it, mini-meaning.

Did you notice that the two columns containing the arrival date and the request date, and only those two columns, do not align with the others? That is to say, they are both about 4 points higher than the others. Would you consider that problematic?

Anyone?

[stickdog99]

Yeah, the "tinpot psychologizing" so soon after the event, and based on how little these people know about Paddock, or other suspects in the past, is also interesting. Rather similar to how the press always have the answer that it is 'ISIS', a very short time after. McGowan's research and others similar talk about the normalization/acceptance of such narratives. Which then become self generating memes which may influence others (copycats) to actually do them.

That's my biggest motivation here. If we all simply accept with nary question that a millionaire with no history of mental illness can randomly become the most lethal suicidal mass shooter of only complete strangers in all of human history, if we are all fully prepared to generate our own "daddy complex" or "Valium-rage" non-motives to fill the void of the complete lack of motive that has been proffered by authorities, then we all normalize this sort of bizarre, unexplainable, and completely unprecedented behavior. In doing so, we desensitize ourselves and everyone around us to the truly unfathomable and unprecedented sociopathy necessary for a single individual to carefully plan out and then systematically riddle hundreds of complete strangers and then himself with deadly rifle clip after deadly rifle clip after deadly rifle clip for no reason whatsoever other than he can.

When we find no explanation for this behavior perfectly acceptable and rush to fill this void with "feasible motives" that are shared by millions of other people who have never and will never commit such atrocities, we engender this behavior and even encourage those whose might consider surpassing it by normalizing it. Sorry, folks, but we should demand an actual reason for a 64-year-old millionaire turning into the worst suicidal stranger only mass shooter in human history. We should not simply countenance unprecedented suicidal sociopathy with a "nothing to see here but a few daddy issues" shrug.

[Grizzly]

Uh, hey guys? Could it be as simple as 'The Strategy of Tension' played out right here at home???
Nah... that's silly.