Trailer for "The Fountain"

[HMKGrey]

Adam Curtis' <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Century of The Self</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->?<br><br>Video links here: <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12642.htm">www.informationclearingho...e12642.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_Of_The_Self">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The...f_The_Self</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If so, what did you think? <br><br>If not you need to, IMHO. Much there that you will find stimulating. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

HTML Comments are not allowed <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/24/06 1:54 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Grr. Edit a post a few times and ezboard rejects it. WTF?<br><br>Tons of information now verboten by software. <br>No doubt "to prevent spamming" or some such excuse...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Yes, Hugh, Ezboard programmers have caught on to your brilliant deciphering of keyword hijacking and are racing around the clock to implement anti-HMW algorithms to prevent you from posting your latest insightful analysis.<br><br>Did you hear about the Disney flick coming out next year? It's called "Hugh the Manatee." Man, talk about keyword hijacking! <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Crap...they've hijacked HUGH!!!!!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.teacherwebshelf.com/canozconnection/hughmanatee/travelcover.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Or has Hugh cleverly hijacked them?????<br><br>Meanwhile, anytime you use certain symbols such as the brackets made with "<" and ">" you will have issues. Jeff can tell you about spam attacks as his blog was a victim of spambots. <p></p><i></i>

[heyjt]

Hugh, Thanks for posting Dan Brandt's piece on Ace, I hadn't read that one. In fact, I ended up with Ace's Kaypro computer when he upgraded. It didn't work very well. Dan got the handgun wrong, Ace didn't carry a Glock, he prefered Smith & Wesson. It was a nine-iron though.<br> Great memories and inspiration, Thanks! <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

9/11 ruined my enjoyment of movies.<br><br>For whatever reason, I identify movies with the disinformation around what happened on that day...like so many 'disaster films' we went to.<br><br>The same disinfo agents in the movies create the images we see on the news...and I keep shouting in my mind<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>LIARS!!!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>

[orz]

Hugh, sorry to come back to this (+ to disrupt the good stuff people have posted) but it's been bugging me:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Have you ever seen a pile of severed hands? I have.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>YOU HAVE NOT!!!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br><br><br>Not that I had much to begin with, but i've lost all respect for you based on this sentance.<br><br>For someone obsessed with media and people's supposed inability to seperate fact from fiction, this is a shocking statement to make.<br><br>You have not seen a pile of severed hands. You've seen <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>images</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of a pile of severed hands.<br><br>Sure that in itself is a pretty terrible thing to see, but if you can't see there's a world of difference then you're in worse trouble than i thought.<br><br>And somehow i get the feeling that if you'd been in the position to witness such a horrifying spectacle first hand, you wouldn't be spending your time playing trivial schizoid word games on the internet.<br><br><br>Hmm, all this reminds me of that time i sailed up a river in vietnam and listened to some crazy bald guy talking about a pile of severed hands... no, wait... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 7/24/06 7:38 pm<br></i>

[orz]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The same disinfo agents in the movies create the images we see on the news<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Specific evidence + examples please. <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

they're all owned by the same handful of media moguls<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[orz]

That's very true, and a bad thing for sure, but is highly unspecific, and not evidence for the previous statement.<br><br>"the same disinfo agents in the movies create the images we see on the news.." implies at least 2 accusations; that geniune disinfo agents operate in movie production (possible/likely i'm sure in some capacity, but some specific evidence would be good) and secondly that some of the images we see in the news are "created" in terms of being movie special effects (evidence definitely required if that is indeed the claim!)... Sorry if that's not the intended meaning but thats what i got from the statement...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

orz<br><br>the 'news' is edited to emphasize some 'facts' and ignore others....consider for instance that video I was talking about on another thread where Donna Marsh O'Connor gives a very public rant about her 29 year old daughter Vanessa who was killed on 9/11.<br><br>Donna had every right to have a media platform for her grief and sense of injustice at the lack of a forensic (or any) reputable investigation into her daughter's death...but she was denied a media platform she was silenced and her cause goes unanswered.<br><br>These are the same editors who work for the same owners who edit the movies to emphasize violence, sex, materialism, etc.<br><br>It's all too much now...the movies are so long...just because they want you to get up and buy stuff during the movies...and they show lengthy adverts before the movies!<br><br>It's a very unpleasant experience now and so I don't bother.<br><br>GC <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=greencrow0>greencrow0</A> at: 7/24/06 9:44 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Not that I had much to begin with, but i've lost all respect for you based on this sentance.<br><br>For someone obsessed with media and people's supposed inability to seperate fact from fiction, this is a shocking statement to make.<br><br>You have not seen a pile of severed hands. You've seen images of a pile of severed hands.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good point. You're right. It was film.<br>Don't know why'd you lose all respect for me, though.<br><br>I also haven't seen anyone kill a native American or Jew...have you?<br><br>Point being we all have to make critical judgements about what is real and what isn't in media representations.<br><br>But you are correct on that one point.<br><br>Re: ezboard stuff. Yeah, I know there are foibles. Don't gang up on me for it. Jeez...resist the urge to go all Lord of the Flies on my ass, will ya? Here, you can have the conch shell back. lol. <p></p><i></i>

[orz]

Haha ok, sorry... maybe not all respect... but the poiint being that your analysis/understanding of media seems kind of inconsistant to say the least... If you claim people can't tell fantasy from reality when they see a movie, and they simply sit there recieving 'mind viruses' or whatever, then you need to make sure you yourself are rigorous when it comes to seperating image from reality.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the 'news' is edited to emphasize some 'facts' and ignore others....consider for instance that video I was talking about on another thread where Donna Marsh O'Connor gives a very public rant about her 29 year old daughter Vanessa who was killed on 9/11.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yeah sure.... i was just getting paranoid about people getting paranoid + read too much into the comment...<br><br>Certainly news is severely fake either thru omission or just plain making stuff up... one of the most overt examples i've seen is the famous Saddam statue toppling... I mean, on TV at the time it was such an obvious half-baked staged event, but it's pretty astonishing when you see the never aired wide shots of the event...(for example in the documentary "Control Room") the whole area outside that one plaza totally empty... the jubilant crowd of 'Iraqis' shipped in by the busload supposedly from Kuwait.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

orz said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>How could anyone make a work of art in which no 'themes' can be detected?!!!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Jackson Pollock comes right to mind. Assuming that he wasn't simply in the business (as many suspect) of selling new clothes to the emperor, his techniques were suficiently uncontrolled so as to obscure any intentions or thoughts of the artist. I suppose one could make a case that that constitutes a sort of meta-theme of his entire ouvre, but I don't think it would be a very strong argument.<br><br><br>Hugh said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>scary animals are used to suggest that the environment is not your friend and violence is natural<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Hugh, I've got news. The 'environment' doesn't care whether any individual lives or dies, and violence is entirely natural. Go out in your garden and spend an afternoon watching the ants.<br><br>That touches on the main problem I have with your theorizing. You seem to feel that any cinematic depiction of a behaviour or meme which you find disagreeable must be propaganda in favour of that PoV. Inevitably some of it is going to be, but the vast majority of "background" in any movie has to conform to the expectations (largely fact-based) that viewers already have about the world and their place in it, or else the audience won't accept it as a valid part of the world without explanation.<br><br>Also, just because a behaviour is shown doesn't mean that the author or director is presenting that behaviour as a model for approval. We discussed the example of "Bambi" at some length a few weeks back, IIRC. Several other posters in this thread have already pointed out how the macho posturing of the pirates in the new movie is shown to have maladaptive consequences.<br><br>In the end I have to think that if you'd watch the movies, or read the books, before criticizing them based on previews or isolated images, you might form a different impression.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel<br><br>Editted - longer quote to preserve meaning <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sepka>Sepka</A> at: 7/25/06 5:12 am<br></i>