David McGowan: Mike Ruppert's Harrowing and Heroic Flight to

by * » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:53 am

NEWSLETTER #84 August 27, 2006 Mike Ruppert's Harrowing and Heroic Flight to Freedom (or Flight from Justice, or Reassignment, or Whatever the Case May Be)<a href="http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr84.html">here</a> A growing number of you have written to inquire whether I will be commenting on the dramatic 'flight to freedom' by the rather constipated looking gentleman to the left. (You can find Ruppert's rant posted <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml">here</a> and re-posted at just about every fake dissident site on the 'net, including: <a href="http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/2235">vancouver.indymedia</a> <a href="http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=10848">federalobserver</a> <a href="http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103& topic_id=22660&mesg_id=22660">progressiveindependent</a> <a href="http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?Ar ticleID=10497">fourwinds10</a> <a href="http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_22797.shtml">axisoflogic</a> <a href="http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=110">radicalpress</a> <a href="http://www.pscelebrities.com/alice/2006/08/by-light-of-burning-bridge-perman ent.html">pscelebrities</a> <a href="http://forums.ariannaonline.com/showthread.php?t=45794">ariannaonline</a> <a href="http://plutonium-page.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/20/175819/646">dailykos</a> <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address =103x229778">democraticunderground</a> <a href="http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm">rense</a> <a href="http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2006/08/18/by_the_light_of.ph p">uncommonthought</a> <a href="http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22797.shtml">axisoflogic</a> <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00201.htm">scoop</a> <a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/08/344643.shtml">portland.indymedia</a> <a href="http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=3862">conspiracyplanet</a> and <a href="http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1120.shtml">onlinejournal</a> And the answer, of course, is how could I not comment on it? It's obviously a huge story, threatening to eclipse even the Jon- Benet Ramsey/John Karr saga. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Karr was ultimately charged with the vandalism of the From the Bilderbergs offices. "But wait a minute," you say, "Karr was in Thailand at the time of the alleged break-in at the From the Bilderbergs offices. I doubt if he could even find Ashland, Oregon on a map. They can't possibly pin it on him. That would be ridiculous." Oh, dear readers, you have so much to learn. Anyway, as I started to say, Ruppert's "Goodbye, cruel nation" rant is, without question, the funniest thing that he has ever written. In fact, it is the funniest thing I can remember reading for quite some time. I would add that it is also the most paranoid and delusional thing he has ever written, but I don't believe for a second that Ruppert actually believes the bullshit that he feeds to his readers. So the buzz on the streets is that the real reason for Ruppert's sudden exodus from the country was not that staying here "would surely mean death," but that he was being investigated on suspicion of having staged the 'burglary' at his new offices in Ashland and he was facing possible arrest and, with that arrest, full exposure as the complete asshat and fraud that he is now and has always been. The word is that Ruppert's From the Bilderbergs empire has not been faring so well of late: subscribers, no longer duped by Ruppert's obvious lies, are dropping like flies; book and DVD sales are down; and the constant pleas for donations just aren't bringing in the truckloads of cash like they used to. So the prevailing theory is that Ruppert, in a desperate attempt to keep his empire afloat, staged the 'burglary' of his offices to raise some cash, possibly through insurance payouts and, most obviously, by portraying Ruppert as a victim once again in yet another craven attempt to pry more money loose from his ever-shrinking base of followers. His next trick, I hear, will be to inform his readers that he needs to raise a million dollars by the end of the year or God will call him home. In addition to generating sympathy (and therefore money) for Ruppert, the staged "burglary" also serves to further bolster his 'street cred,' so to speak. After all, if the government has been working so hard for so many years to silence this man, then what he has to say must surely be of supremeimportance ... right? That is what Ruppert would have you believe, which is precisely why he routinely rolls out a laundry list of sins allegedly committed against himself and his organization, and why he has, at various times, accused virtually everyone he has ever employed of being a government agent (that part, by the way, is probably true; it would hardly be surprising to find that a covert government operation that is currently housed in a government building is staffed by government agents). Ruppert does not own the exclusive rights, by the way, to the tactic of fabricating instances of government harassment for the purpose of bolstering one's credibility. It is an all too common phenomenon out here in the cyberworld, though I have to say that no one seems to play that card as frequently, or with as much panache, as our boy Mike. As far as I can determine at this time, it has not been verified that Ruppert is the prime suspect in the staged "burglary" (unfortunately, the Ashland Police Department declined to comment on the case, citing a department policy that forbids commenting on ongoing investigations), but that seems to be a far more plausible explanation for his abrupt departure than Mikey's breathless claim that he was facing an "imminent threat of death." Indeed, a careful reading of Ruppert's rambling, melodramatic diatribe yields clues that seem to support the theory that Sir Mike did indeed stage the scene at his offices. For example, he writes that it "is almost certain that the burglary [Editor's note: nothing was actually stolen, so it is unclear why Ruppert always refers to the incident as a burglary] was perpetrated, at minimum, based upon inside information provided by recently fired or resigned FTW staff members." It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to deduce that this is little more than an attempt, albeit a rather pathetic one, to preemptively spin the coming revelation that the staged "burglary" was in fact an inside job- but one committed by disgruntled former employees, of course, and not the boss himself. In what appears to be a further effort to exonerate himself, Ruppert tries to sell the idea that this crime had to have been committed by multiple perpetrators. Amazingly enough, he actually lays out the following laughably absurd claims: "There are between eight and twelve screws that need to be removed to take the cover off of each of our computers. There were seven computers, and every one had their covers removed before being smashed. This was not a one-man job. Someone with computer savvy was involved." Damn, Mike, you are quite the cut-up, aren't you? Someone with computer savvy was involved? I think that what was probably involved was one guy with a cordless screwdriver. Even if the FTB computers had covers held in place by eight to twelve screws, unlike any computers that I have ever seen (my current computer has exactly one screw holding on the cover, and it is a thumb screw that can be quickly removed without the use of tools), it would take one person with a cordless driver and no computer savvy approximately 15 seconds to open each machine. With a manual screwdriver, it might take as long as a full minute. Ruppert goes on to make additional claims that are, if anything, even more preposterous: "Each computer had been disconnected from its monitor and peripherals. That was three to six connections per computer. This feat wouldhave taken one person hours, and it would have been physically exhausting." Please stop it, Mike! You've almost got me in tears here! Do you write all your own material? Have you considered auditioning for "Last Comic Standing"? Seriously, dude, you should think about it because you are one funny motherfucker. Speaking hypothetically, if I am a vandal bent on sabotaging the offices of FTB, I'm probably not going to bother with the niceties of properly disconnecting all the computer peripherals; I'm just going to grab a handful of cables and give them a good yank. It's probably going to take about, oh, two seconds to disconnect each machine. And come to think of it, that's kind of irrelevant anyway, because I'm not going to even take the time to disconnect the peripherals, nor am I going to then transport the machines to a vacant portion of the office, nor am I going to carefully remove the outer covers. No, what I am going to do is trash as much stuff as I can in the shortest amount of time. And I'm going to do that by just whaling on the computers and all their peripherals right where they sit, because in the time that it would take me to disconnect, relocate and open the machines, I can pretty much trash everything - including the desks they sit on. And it wouldn't take very long at all. I don't know that I'd even bother with the sledge hammer, to tell you the truth. I'm thinking I could just pour a little gas or something on the computers and light them up. Hell, I might as well burn up everything. But if I did go to all the trouble of disconnecting and removing all the machines, and I am, according to Ruppert, a methamphetamine addict, then I'm sure as hell not going to carry the machines into an empty room and (pretend to) destroy them No, I'm going to carry them right out to my car, along with anything else of value that I can find, and I'm going to sell everything for drug money. Vandalizing local businesses for no financial gain? That doesn't do much for me. Stealing stuff to pawn for drug money is what I'm all about. Ruppert seems to realize that various parts of his story are inherently ridiculous, so he tosses out the claim that the computers were taken to a vacant portion of the building so that there would be "plenty of room to swing the hammers." It is perfectly obvious, however, that you don't need much room at all to swing a sledge hammer with enough force to destroy the delicate electronics of a computer. In fact, you don't need a sledge hammer at all. You can achieve the same effect by just picking the thing up and hurling it down on the ground (try it at home with your own computer and then compare the end result with the photos on Ruppert's site and you'll see what I mean). The only reasonable explanation for the machines being carefully disconnected and transported to a vacant portion of the office was to avoid damage to the peripherals and the desks that they sat on, which seems to me to be a pretty clear indication that this "burglary" was not the work of outside actors. Ruppert tosses out some more alleged facts that are clearly intended to direct suspicion away from himself. He claims, for example, while offering no supporting evidence, that he suspects "that a minimum of two sledge hammers were used." He also claims that "one door to a storage area which held no computers at all was needlessly smashed," the implication clearly being that he couldn't possibly be the perpetrator since he would have obviously known that there was no point in breaking into that particular room. But so presumably would the 'real' perpetrators, since Ruppert has already told us that they were working with "insider information." Mikey also poses the question of "who could have missed my Blue and Gold, 1996 Ford Bronco? It stands out like a sore thumb. And I could hardly have walked a block or two with a sledge hammer over my shoulder without risking being noticed." Now, I don't know if Ruppert is really this stupid or if he just thinks that his readers are, but his rather bold proclamations are directly contradicted by what Mikey himself wrote in the very same paragraph, when he noted that his offices are in a "quiet business park that was always abandoned after sunset." How then could Ruppert's vehicle stand out like a sore thumb when, by his own account, there would have been no one there to see it? There is so much more in Ruppert's ten-page screed that is ripe for ridicule. For example, Iron Mike claims that three "mobile squatters" who regularly parked their mobile homes by his offices at night were potential witnesses to the crime. He further claims that, "About a week after the burglary, I noticed the Ashland Police Department towing away one of the mobile squatters." But if Ruppert really believed this (fictional) person to be a potential witness, then why wouldn't Mike himself have approached and questioned the potential witness during the week before he was allegedly towed away? Ruppert is, after all, a former police investigator himself, so he does have some experience with questioning witnesses. Also begging for ridicule is Ruppert's audacious and wildly inappropriate claim that the staged "burglary" represented his own personal Kristalnacht. And then there is perhaps his most hilarious claim of all: "There were many poignant moments in the way we put together and executed a plan to get me out of the country in just 18 days, even as I noticed renewed and ominous surveillance around the office." Gee, Mike, overdramatic much? There is, as it turns out, an expedited procedure for getting out of the country. Though little known, it involves driving to the nearest airport, walking up to a ticketing agent at the airline of your choice, purchasing a ticket to your desired destination, and then boarding an airplane (after, of course, disposing of any potentially explosive water bottles). Perhaps Ruppert should try that technique next time. I've tried it myself and I can vouch for the fact that it really works. And by the way, that "renewed and ominous surveillance" that Mike mentioned? I'm guessing that if that wasn't a figment of his imagination then it was probably the Ashland Police Department keeping tabs on their prime suspect. While there is no shortage of material in Ruppert's rant to mock and ridicule, there is also, alas, an aspect of this story that is not so funny, and that aspect, despite this lengthy intro, is the real focus of this newsletter. Let me begin by stating that, except in the minds of a devoted few, there is little reasonable doubt that Michael Ruppert is, and always has been, a government agent. Everything about the man - from his family and employment history to his stand on numerous issues - points unwaveringly in that direction. His assigned mission for the last several years has been to unrelentingly push the lie of 'Peak Oil,' while occasionally taking a break from that to do such things as sabotage the 9-11 movement and run interference for the government after Gary Webb's 'suicide.' It occurs to me, however, that Ruppert has lately become far more of a liability than an asset in his role of disinformation peddler. His own personal credibility is at such a low point that it seems very likely that a decision was made that the 'Peak Oil' scam was far too important a mission to be compromised by allowing a buffoon like Ruppert to continue to serve as the most vocal and visible spokesman. In other words, the staged burglary was really just the straw that broke the camel's back; even before that, it was becoming clear that Ruppert needed to be shuffled off the stage and reassigned so that more credible spokesmen could take up the 'Peak Oil' battle cry. Mikey claims that he doesn't know where he will eventually take up residence, but for now he will be cooling his heels in Venezuela. This hardly seems a random choice. As readers are no doubt aware, Venezuela has been a hotbed of covert intelligence operations for many years now - election rigging, media manipulation, coup plotting, assassinations ... all the usual "boys will be boys" kind of stuff. Funny then that a guy like Mike Ruppert would show up there, of all places, and at the very time that the CIA has announced the creation of a "new special CIA mission to oversee intelligence activities" in that particular country. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GOL20060820 &articleId=3015">globalresearch</a> If your primary goal, by the way, is to escape from CIA threats, harassment and intimidation, is it really a good idea to flee to a place that is absolutely teeming with CIA operatives? I'm not sure that would be my choice, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, I am reminded here of another time, some three-and -a-half decades ago, that a fake dissident journalist arrived in a South American country that was being targeted by the CIA. The last time I mentioned this gentleman's name, several years ago on a radio show, I found my in-box filled with threats of legal action, so I will be using pseudonyms here that, unfortunately, will make it virtually impossible for readers to figure out who I am talking about. So this other fake dissident, let's call him "Marcooper," arrived circa 1971 in a country that we will here refer to as "Chilly." At that time, Chilly was being run by a democratically elected government that was at peace with its neighbors and working for the betterment of the country's have-nots. As such, the decidedly left- leaning administration was widely admired throughout Latin America. But in North America? Not so much. Providing a better life for the Chillyan people, you see, came at the expense of the profit margins of the American corporations that run the economies of our Latin American neighbors. So the CIA, as is its custom, sent in a whole bunch of operatives to stir up trouble, eventually culminating in a bloody coup that overthrew the democratically minded government and replaced it with a brutal military dictatorship that was more to Washington's liking. While the stage was being set for the coup, along came our dissident journalist to cozy up to the doomed administration. By posing as a harsh critic of US foreign policy, he was able to infiltrate the inner circles of the Chillyan government. Needless to say, this provided him with an ideal position from which to facilitate the coup, and then walk away unscathed, unlike some of the legitimate dissident Americans who were in the country at the time. If someone were to attempt to play the role of Marcooper down in Venezuela, one of the first things they would probably want to do is firmly establish their status as a critic of US foreign policy and, more specifically, as a friend of Venezuela. And how would they do that? One way would be to show a sudden interest, some four years after the fact, in posting information about the US-backed coup that briefly toppled Chavez. And that, by sheer coincidence, is exactly what Michael Ruppert did, just three days after posting his farewell to America <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082106_proof_documents_summary.sh tml">fromthewilderness</a>. Another thing an aspiring Marcooper might want to do, upon arrival in Venezuela, is appeal for political asylum so as to get the attention of the Chavez government. And that, again purely by coincidence, appears to be exactly what Ruppert did (which would explain why he took a roundabout route to Venezuela to make it appear as though he was forced to sneak out of the US). Only time will tell if Michael Ruppert is indeed in Venezuela as a man on a mission. It is possible, I suppose, that he simply needed to get the hell out of Dodge - due to the staged "burglary" incident, his ongoing financial woes, and the sexual harassment suit that he has responded to, from the safety of Venezuela, by viciously slandering and snitch-jacketing the complainant - and so he picked a place that is filled with friends from the intelligence community who can help him get reestablished. All that can be said with certainty is that, as Richard Nixon once said, we won't have Mike Ruppert to kick around anymore. But have no fear; there is no shortage of fake dissident writers waiting to fill the void. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 8/28/06 8:46 am

by **Avalon** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:16 am

SNAAAAAAP!!!!

by **streeb** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:26 am

And on top of all that, he quotes Don Henley.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:29 am

Wonder who that "marcooper" pseudonym stands for? Chilly is probably a code for antarctica. At least we won't have to deal with any more Ruppert threads (after the usual arguments that will emerge from this one). Actually..and this is serious...I'm going to figure out who to contact in Venezuela to warn them off Ruppert...though somehow I have a feeling that Chavez is smarter than Ruppert....

by **Ouish** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:09 am

I used to read the free stuff on From the Wilderness a couple of years ago. Then I bought his crappy book Crossing the Rubicon, and that overdose of Ruppertness left me permanently averse to the stuff. You ask 'im, "Where's your computer?" "Well it was eaten by snakes . . ." Swear t'God they got the most At every website on the coast Flakes! Flakes! (after <a href="http://www.lyricsdomain.com/6/frank_zappa/flakes.html" target="top">Frank Zappa</a>). I've never heard of David McGowan, but he doesn't sound much better, accusing any website he doesn't agree with of being disinformation as he does even when it has hundreds of contributors.

by **rain** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:10 am

stuff like this just makes me want to take a nap. it's not over Ruppert. the 'peak oil' hype was obvious. much about him was obvious. but I view him as more of a dupe caught in a trap not entirely of his own making. I feel like, if we might assume he had a soul, or the potential of growing one, someone just ripped it to shreds and threw it in the bin. gleefully. and what are we to make of Ruppert's reams and reams on other subjects like the shrub dynasty. should we rip them to shreds and throw them in the bin too? a none-too- perfect man in a far-less-than-perfect world. I'd have been happy enough to wave good-bye and 'we'll let them know you're coming" disappointed dave 'I'm not gonna say anything but....' methinks you don't know how deep, deep and dark this world is. I'm left wondering who's eating who. (now everybody hide 'cos I can hear wintler's footsteps)

by **Gouda** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:46 am

Maybe he just wants to have peek at their oil.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:51 am

I think I've ID'd "marcooper" (McGowan didn't make it too hard): Marc Cooper Contributing Editor Marc Cooper's career in journalism began in 1966, when he founded and edited an underground newspaper in high school in Los Angeles. After being expelled from the California State University system for his antiwar activities in 1971 by order of Governor Ronald Reagan, he signed on to work in the press office of Chilean President Salvador Allende. The 1973 military coup found Cooper working as Allende's translator for publication, and he left Chile as a UN-protected refugee eight days after the bloody takeover. Since then Cooper has traveled the world covering politics and culture for myriad press outlets. He reported on the Yom Kippur War, Lebanon, South Africa, Central and South America, Eastern and Western Europe and domestic American politics for dozens of publications ranging from Playboy and Rolling Stone to the Sunday magazines of the Los Angeles Times and The Times of London. <a href="http://www.thenation.com/directory/bios/marc_cooper">www.thenation.com</a>

by **Dreams End** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:27 am

Yeah...um...Jeff. That was sort of the point. McGowan, love him or hate him, won't pull punches. Here's cooper honing his anti-capitalist journalism skills...against Fidel Castro: <a href="http://marccooper.typepad.com/marccooper/2005/07/not_again.html">marccooper.typepad.com/marccooper/2005/07/not_again.html</a> and here he is on Chavez: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Chavez, Again. Did Uncle Jimmy Get Duped? OK, OK, I admit it. This is a bit like crack. But I can't help myself. We're back ONCE AGAIN to Venezuela's huckster President Hugo Chavez. No sooner had the (Jimmy) Carter Center signed off on El Big Mouth's victory in last month's recall plebescite then comes along a serious academic study strongly suggesting that Carter got duped... that the election results were...um... fraudulent. The story is carried in today's Wall Street Opinion Journal. And, yes, I know and agree that this is a partisan source with a fixed anti-Chavez agenda. But, the study the piece is based on comes from two economists, one at Harvard and another at MIT, who come up with some pretty startling conclusions. Like, based on mathematical models, the results reported by the Chavez administration have a probability of 1 in 100 of NOT being fraudulent: The money graphs: The new study was released this week by economists Ricardo Hausmann of Harvard and Roberto Rigobon of MIT. They zeroed in on a key problem with the August 18 vote audit that was run by the government's electoral council (CNE): In choosing which polling stations would be audited, the CNE refused to use the random number generator recommended by the Carter Center. Instead, the CNE insisted on its own program, run on its own computer. Mr. Carter's team acquiesced, and Messrs. Hausmann and Rigobon conclude that, in controlling this software, the government had the means to cheat. "This result opens the possibility that the fraud was committed only in a subset of the 4,580 automated centers, say 3,000, and that the audit was successful because it directed the search to the 1,580 unaltered centers. That is why it was so important not to use the Carter Center number generator. If this was the case, Carter could never have figured it out." Mr. Hausmann told us that he and Mr. Rigoban also "found very clear trails of fraud in the statistical record" and a probability of less than 1% that the anomalies observed could be pure chance. To put it another way, they think the chance is 99% that there was electoral fraud. This story, of course, is going to go nowhere. Chavez' victory is a politcal fait accompli. The multi-national oil companies that do lucrative business with him have decided to make peace. The Bush administration which has tried to subvert Chavez has its hands full with an election and an unraveling Iraqi war. And the international and American left long ago decided to whore for Chavez -- seeing him as some sort of anti-American hero. Check out David Holiday's El Salvador-based blog for another good story on this alleged fraud. You'll find that today's OpinionJournal piece is actually based on a story two days ago that ran in the news pages of the WSJ-- pages that in no way bear the political taint of the Opinion section. Holiday also has the Carter Center's version of events. In the meantime, all together now, and loudly: Viva Presidente Chavez! <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://marccooper.com/chavez-again-did-uncle-jimmy-get-duped/">marccooper.com/chavez-again-did-uncle-jimmy-get-duped/</a> And here is a complaint about him from Al Giordano (NarcoNews): <blockquote>Quote:<hr> NARCO NEWS PUBLISHER AL GIORDANO FOLLOWS UP: Mr. Scheer, Mr. Delacour's concerns about the sloppiness and maliciousness of Mr. Cooper's "reporting" in Latin America are shared by many down here. Mr. Cooper's use of knowing falsehoods regarding Venezuela - documented in Delacour's letter - is just one example, but there are others. I bring your attention to the critique raised by veteran journalist Jules Siegel about Mr. Cooper's similarly shoddy, cliche-driven, reporting from Cancun in 2003: http://www.cafecancun.com/marc.shtml The problem with Mr. Cooper's Latin America "reporting" in recent years is not one of opinion (I respect his right to have differing ones), but, rather, of bad reporting: of "just making shit up" in lieu of doing the heavy lifting that we journos must do. That he does it with the imprimateur of "alternative" press, parrotting essentially the party line of the commercial media regarding Venezuela or other Latin American lands, has proved problematic again and again not just for him but also for the magazines that allow him to write on these subjects, I suspect, out ofpity and memory of a younger, brighter Marc Cooper that somehow died years ago leaving us with this pathetic fragment of humanity in his place. Besides, wouldn't, at this point, he be more qualified as, say,a restaurant critic, than as an aging child playing with matches in the basement filled with gasoline that is geopolitics in this hemisphere? Sincerely, from below, and to the left (where the heart beats), Al Giordano Narco News<hr></blockquote><a href="http://lanr.blogspot.com/2005/11/marc-cooper-on-venezuela.html">lanr.blogspot.com/2005/11/marc-cooper-on-venezuela.html</a> There are many of us who have had questions about Cooper (and also David Corn) but I've pretty much given up on the Nation Magazine in general. None of this proves that Cooper is an agent, but I guess we should at least let him know that there are plenty of people out there writing anti-Castro and anti-Chavez articles. He should find something else to do with his time.

by **xsic bastardx** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:39 am

Hey....anyone got Ruppert's Address......maybe we could send him a gift bag of used French Fry Oil to Power his Super Human Ego on......you know....since Oil is drying up and all......

by **xsic bastardx** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:05 am

We should get him a Razor Scooter......maybe he could work off a few pounds

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:50 pm

"Yeah...um...Jeff. That was sort of the point. McGowan, love him or hate him, won't pull punches." I know. I was rushed and didn't have time to find a good irony smiley. I think I love and hate McGowan. He's owed a huge debt for "The Pedophocracy" and his thesis of programmed mayhem, but his brush gets a little broad ("false dissent" is sometimes nothing more than disagreement), and his point-scoring sometimes obscures the validity of his points.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:19 pm

I find it interesting how into FEAR Mike Ruppert was/is. He really got a lot of attention by claiming to be able to help us make the transition after the "collapse". Fear as Bushco and other tyrants know is really catchey. We all should have seen Rupport for what he was because of his reliance on fear and the fear of starving and scarcity. On the other hand, maybe he was really scared himself and believed all this? Who can say? I now believe that he was a scammer, but perhaps had some elements of integrety to his personality. I still don't see how the gov. benefited by having him expose Cheney in the way that he did. Maybe Cheny was always meant to be sacrificed so that when he comes up for trial he can go the way of Ken Lay in a very believable manner. BTW, do folks here think Kenny boy is still alive?

by **wordspeak** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:30 pm

What's to hate? He's nailed so much original stuff. I do find him a little overly sarcastic sometimes- "point-scorer" is a good phrase- so as to weaken his points, so I agree with you there, but he's just one person. We need more like him... Has he actually yelled "false dissent" (or phony dissent) when it was just a disagreement? Mcgowan calls out phony journalists... that's exactly what we need a lot more of in the truly independent press- spread awareness of the astonishing degree of CIA-agent journalists and writers out there. shouldn't be surprising, when put to the RI test. I actually had never heard of Marc Cooper's role in the Pinochet coup, though I never liked Marc Cooper. Seymour Hersh (CIA-mour Hersh) is another example of a "journalist" who long-time deep-politics researchers know as fact is has always written the CIA's side of the story (always wondered about those "anonymous high-level sources" that Hersh always cites). I would hope Chavez would be smarter than falling for an appeal for support or some crazy Ruppert drama (you never know what Ruppert might or might not do), but he might not be. I want to warn the Venezuelans, too: "Mike Ruppert is coming, Mike Ruppert is coming!" how? write to some friends who were down there for an international lefty conference a few months ago... Anyway, there could be more entertainment to come in the saga of Mike Ruppert and the staged break-in, but not to let it distract too much.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:35 pm

I love McGowan...and often completely disagree, so those aren't mutually exclusive. He has posts on the moon landing hoax that the moonhoax folks on this board would love. And he has a take on the mars probes disappearing that simply makes no sense at all. Imagining star wars tech (which would be in earth orbit) having something to do with shooting mars orbiters. And he's a "no plane at the Pentagon" advocate as well. though he presents that case well. But he is right on about Ruppert. It's not just the substance of Ruppert...it's the style, the way they started "challenging" him, high noon style...the macho posturing, the fanboys who are more rabid than the man himself. I've seen this all before. It was fascinating to see Ruppert's response to Mcgowan. After their exchanges, he kept referring to "those who push abiotic theories of oil"...well, there just aren't too many people out there doing that, and unless I underestimate McGowan's readership, it was a whole lot of overkill on Ruppert's part. Cooper, by the way, is the one who will come forward and point out the RCP and WWP background of the anti-war organizers. Well, you'll say, so does DE. The difference is, I think that part of the point for having these pseudo-far lefties behind this is then to allow the Cooper's of the country to denounce them "from the left". Far more effective than redbaiting from the right, which, again, I see there is astonishingly little of. The complaints about Cooper I linked to are being..polite, I think. There is a lot of real anger against this man. Others know more than I do, but it's kind of a standard belief among leftists I know that Cooper is, shall we say, "not helpful." dbd, you are right on about fear. I know that former Larouchies (not saying Ruppert had a cult...just this similar tactic) say one of the reasons they would keep repressing doubts is that the atmosphere was always one of a new and immediate crisis. Breathless predictions of impending collapse. They NEVER occurred, but they keep the adrenaline up and the rational mind pre-occupied. I'm grateful to Ruppert, as some ploys are starting to become more transparent now. Can I just recommend the following: when a new spokesperson or movement leader emerges who is a "former" CIA or, in Ruppert's case, former LAPD with odd CIA connections, can we please use extreme caution before embracing them? It's not about everything they say being wrong....there would be no way to keep a following that way. It's about misdirection. I just get frustrated because to me there is such a clear pattern and I don't do a good enough job getting others to see it.

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