by Dreams End » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:22 pm
Thanks, Qutb. The other aspect of "anti-Semitic" "anti-Zionist" theory that should be of concern is that often those "Zionist behind every plot in the world" memes are little warnings that you are getting some really crappy information. And believe it or not, that has been my primary interest in anti-Semitic theory on this site...one doesn't have to "hate Jews" or really hate any group to still fall victim to such theories. And well meaning people fall victim to them all the time. I actually used to read whatreallyhappened and Rense and just sort of ignore all the "your kids died for Israel" comments on so many of the links. Now I see there is some other agenda at work here.<br><br>But back to the topic of this thread...and while this was posted by rdr, no raving leftist he, I would say that his post is of particular interest to the left as it has been a victim of so much of this. LEARN YOUR HISTORY, I would say. Understand how far these guys will go to get what they want. How elaborate. Phony opposition, seeding the field with misinformation. I could do a very long post on the things I have personally experienced...which I won't...but I have to mention this one:<br><br>I was involved in an anti-war coalition in the first Gulf War when I lived in L.A. There was SO much of this kinda stuff that it was mind boggling. But I just wanted to relate the one revelation that came way AFTER the damage had been done. One veteran activist...in fact it was Tony Russo, who aided Daniel Ellsberg in copying the Pentagon Papers (and sure, a question or two about Ellsberg is certainly in order) did not reveal until WAAAAY too late that one of the people behind all the disruption had approached him early on with offers to provide guns and drugs if he needed them. Seriously. This was BEFORE the overall coalition put this agent in charge of finances...had he mentioned it.<br><br>And while I come off sounding like I think I know everything around here, it's hard won experience. So here's an embarrassing factoid. When I first got to LA I wanted to do something against the war and I called up this coalition and said "What can I do?" No one HAD anything for me to do except the wife of this guy I mentioned. Should I have thought it odd that both of them, though part of no particular subculture stylistically (goth or whatever) always wore black? That her alleged profession was criminologist, as it stated on her business card next to her "Glamour Shot" photograph? That the man had bragged of having done work ad a mercenary? That her resume consisted entirely of work with police and prisons? <br><br>Well, some of this wasn't apparent yet, but I went to her house and guess what I helped her do. I helped her gather information for a "speaker's bureau". We put information on every single member of this coalition on index cards. Just so, you know, in case some group wanted a speaker about the war. Needless to say, the speaker's bureau was never put to use, but I'm sure the LAPD (I'm pretty sure they were working primarily only with the local cops...but LAPD was one of the worst with their "red squads", always infiltrating and disrupting. Hey, wasn't Mike Ruppert...but I digress.<br><br>Anyway, I'm basically saying that there are files on many of the folks I worked with in that coalition and I, PERSONALLY HELPED CREATE THOSE FILES!!! <br><br>I'd also add that therir disruptive tactics were rather varied but some should provide clues. First off, the woman tried to be the head of almost every committee, especially ones dealing with money and membership lists. No one even knew this couple and they entrusted them with BOTH. In fact, my involvement with the leadership of this group came about when some poor teenager living with them (we won't even GO into that) told me he'd seen the husband dipping into the collection plate and threatening, with a smile and a wink, to "kill" him if he told anyone.<br><br>The "speakers' bureau" was another little tactic.<br><br>But mainly they disrupted. Meetings turned into shouting matches with "point of order" echoing in the room. Just plain folks stopped coming. Also, they gathered a collection of lunatics and cryptofascists around them to do their disrupting. And some of them were genuinely mentally ill. And yes some of them were from the Christic Institute, which is where my "interest" in Danny Sheehan came from...though he personally was not involved. <br><br>The coalition didn't stand a chance. With genuine yet sectarian leftists like SWP (nevermind the acronyms...all inside baseball) to crypto-fascists like Christic and later Larouche, with overt agents who claimed no political experience save working in prisons and with the police...it was a mess. I stilldon't know who was and who wasn't...you know. And I hate to say it...that was my last real foray into organized activism. <br><br>(I'm just remembering this other guy who got into that orbit. At one point he told me he had all kinds of pornography if I wanted any and would even provide a television to view it on. Uhh...no thanks there buddy. Though the Russian prostitute (or agent?) he kept bringing around was stunningly beautiful. What a freakin' circus...memories all coming back.)<br><br>When I got involved with the local peace group here in Nashville I wanted to help organize the march and rally they were planning. They told me to work with this particular woman on press and I actually wrote the talking points for them. This woman told me I was not to talk to the press myself but that she and I would only be connecting the press with the appointed spokespeople. This seemed like a principled, professional approach. Till the march came and she, herself, went up to speak on stage. And threatened to slap my wife over some trifle and generally pissed me off. Okay, people can be weird without being agents.<br><br>But I wrote her and copied to the leadership of the group. The email was extremely specific about what she'd done..and it got worse...she'd actually gone on her own to a local councilmember and pissed him off so bad he refused to speak at the rally as he'd promised to do. (Moving her, potentiall at least, into the "agent" camp in my opinion...I think our local police have been active in this way for decades.)<br><br>A little later, the main staff person of this group wrote me and in passing told me the woman was still around and still involved but was "better". Yeah...fuck that. I had enough of that in L.A. If you don't learn to recognize disruptive tactics (whether of agents or just the mentally unstable...I realize that does happen to) you will just get eaten alive.<br><br>And now I learned that the umbrella group of activist groups here gets grant money from the Frist foundaton. Frist...as in Senator. The irony is that the Frist foundation gets its money from the Frist family (duh) who got their money privatizing hospitals with "Hospital Corporation of America." This is ironic since the PRIMARY issue this group is addressing is the destruction of the state healthcare program. So, see, taking money from Frist would....ah...screw it.<br><br>Went a bit far afield there, but I guess the main point is in there somewhere. This stuff is very real and far more elaborate and deep than we often know. I don't mean to give up hope and assume they are all powerful, but just to recognize how these things work. <br><br>Could there be actual disinfo agents on this board? I suppose. I've been called one...whatever. The people I've objected to most strongly on this board I don't think are agents, but I do think they are buying into disinfo put out by intel/cult Larouchians and the like. But who knows. Once an idea gets put out there from whatever source it takes on a life of its own. <br><br>Okay...wasted WAY too much time on that one. For all my friends here who want to spend some time complaining about ME being an agent or whatever, please do so in a separate thread as this one is quite good. <br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>