documented 1960s COINTELPRO psyops tactics

[Qutb]

The WP article "may have moved or is no longer available".<br><br>CIFA is the type of agency I can picture putting out a lot of this disinfo stuff. And being responsible for the kind of activities DE relates. They seem to really put a lot of effort into quelling internal dissent now - or preparing such capabilities for when it will be needed. There's also the super-secret NSA program - more intrusive and encompassing than the one everybody's talking about - that not even the members of the Senate intelligence committee are cleared to know about. In addition, it was recently revealed that Total Information Awareness is alive and well under another name, the rejection by the US Congress notwithstanding. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

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[Project Willow]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>this might upset and offend, but i think that the recent incident involving GDN01 would hypothetically be a very effective psy-op, let me make it clear that i am not saying i think that is what was happening, but to create likeable identitys on blogs and then fuck around with them would be effective, the result of doro222's sudden appearance with 'inside knowledge' was trauma, interference, vulnerability, pretty effective, no?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm not offended, but I don't agree with your point. That thread did not create any major rift in the community, nor did it contribute to the spread of some destructive piece of misinformation. It did take time and worry, but to me that investment was completely worth it. If I was wrong in my assessment of the situation, then, so what? If I'm right, then someone may have gotten a little bit of support they needed at a crucial moment. If it was some kind of time wasting op, the posts still presented a fairly accurate example of how a manipulated DID system might begin to break down in a supportive environment. If they hadn't had those features, many of us wouldn't have responded. So, I don't think that particular example was very effective in achieving the general goals of counterintel. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

Not that particular example, but "honeypots" are still a tactic that's used. A mind-controlled, sex-slave type is sent to distract an active, effective member from... whatever it is that they're doing. Happens all the time. Happened to me (he was actually supposed to kill me but couldn't and he disappeared not long after.) Happened to Dragon before I came along. (That's his story, which I hope he'll tell.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

what was going on with doro222. While I wondered at first if doro was a part of me, I don't think that is a possibility now. I know what I was doing and where I was when doro has posted, making it impossible for me to have missed time associated with the time of doro's posts. Doro posted from several states away from where I live - so then I wonder, what is the point?<br><br>A friend of mine suggested doro is someone trying to scare anyone with a history of RA or MKultra. It appeared that I was gone from the board for good - had not posted in awhile and had not reported in when someone asked about me. If someone had not tracked me down and got an email to me, I may not have known for weeks, if ever, that doro had posted. <br>Why would someone want to scare people with RA or MK histories? So they would leave RI? So they would stop posting their stories on the net? While I first thought this doro was someone who must know about the details of my abuse - which was the main reason I wanted to believe doro could be a part of me, my friend pointed out the references made that had scared me could easily apply to anyone with a history of abuse. <br>Is this a psy-op or just an individual creating fear?<br><br>On edit: I had meant to include these questions - Individuals can do disrupting, spread disinfo, and all that has been listed above as psy-ops. When does it become labeled psy-ops? Is it psy-ops because it is government sponsored? Does it make it any less effective if it is an individual? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gdn01>GDN01</A> at: 2/20/06 7:22 pm<br></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Why would someone want to scare people with RA or MK histories?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>It felt like some kid getting his/her jollies to me. No biggie. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 2/20/06 8:42 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

That's what it seemed like to me also, chigger. However, I don't agree that attempting such manipulations is "no biggie." I think that the people doing it need to recognize their own cruelty, and its possible consequences. <br><br>Playing around like that is no joke. It's more like falsely pulling a fire alarm. <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

I would agree except this person was making intentional references to RA and MK triggers. This person knew what they were doing. It wasn't random at all in that sense. If nothing else, I think this person wants readers of RI to know, and specifically people with a history of RA and MK, that "the other side" is watching this board. We've always known - it has been speculated about before anyway. Maybe I'm reading too much into it all. But I think it was something more than some kid getting his/her jollies. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

I really don't think that it takes a high degree of expertise to play those games. It's more like knowing how to race-bait- the gambits are quite simple to learn and employ. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

From RDR's stayfreemag link:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In a 1963 internal memo, counterintelligence specialist Charles D. Brennan stated that civil rights agitation represented a clear threat to "the established order" of the U.S. and that "King is growing in stature daily as the leader among leaders of the Negro movement." COINTELPRO head William C. Sullivan responded in a letter: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"We must mark [King] now, if we have not before, as the most dangerous Negro in the future of this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security . . . it may be unrealistic to limit [our actions against King] to legalistic proofs that would stand up in court or before Congressional Committees."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yeesh. That, and reading that letter sent to MLK ordering him to suicide himself - imagine that is you, today. Imagine being in his shoes at the time, yet imagine having the ability to see the changes that needed to be made, and decades down the road, the legacy that needed to be realized. I think he had that ability. I find a great amount of strength in knowing, vicariously at least, what he faced, and how he continued to go on despite these heinous and truly frightening threats. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

You're right, RDR, I shouldn't have said that. There was a malicious tone to doro's posts, and that is never acceptable. Even if it was no skin off my nose, it could have been intimidating to others.<br><br>There was a juevenile, kind of undevelped personality to doro that made me think it was a youngster. It also occurred to me that doro could have been somebody's else's alter, but I know nothing about DID, so I could be way off base. But there has been enough discussion on this board that I don't think it would be too hard for anyone to make stuff up, based on what is read here.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Back to topic. What amazes me about psy ops is the amount of time, money and study the government devotes to it. Most of it is about how to influence groups of people, small and large, to do as a government wants, as an alternative to military, police or any kind of violent (assassination, for instance) action. In war, it isn't enough for a military to win against an opponents' military, the people on the losing side must also be beat down so low that they accept the yoke of the winner. The other side of that coin then becomes one of "winning the hearts and minds" of that people. So, it is almost as if psy ops are the other form fr warfare. Personally, I think it should be illegal to use psy ops on our own people. <br><br>I know that I keep beating this drum and you're all probably tired of hearing it, but the guy I find fascinating, an advisor to the president, is Ed Luttwak. Ed Luttwak wrote that book back in the late sixties about how to perform a coup d'etat, and much of his advice was about parasitizing (my word, not his) the civil service structure. Way ahead of his time. I would bet my last dollar that that man has come a long way since then in the study of the human mind and of group psychology. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he were involved in studying torture for the CIA. I wonder if there is any Congressional oversight on what these people are studying and doing. <br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 2/21/06 10:11 am<br></i>

[GDN01]

Luttwak is a senior advisor for CSIS - <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_press/task,view/id,1602/">Center for Strategic and International Studies</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <br>I'm poking around that website now. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19990701faessay990/edward-n-luttwak/give-war-a-chance.html">www.foreignaffairs.org/19...hance.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Summary: Since the establishment of the United Nations, great powers have rarely let small wars burn themselves out. Bosnia and Kosovo are the latest examples of this meddling. Conflicts are interrupted by a steady stream of cease-fires and armistices that only postpone war-induced exhaustion and let belligerents rearm and regroup. Even worse are U.N. refugee-relief operations and NGOs, which keep resentful populations festering in camps and sometimes supply both sides in armed conflicts. This well-intentioned interference only intensifies and prolongs struggles in the long run. The unpleasant truth is that war does have one useful function: it brings peace. Let it.<br><br>Edward N. Luttwak is Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

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