The Soros Thread (Retitled)

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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:53 am

JUDICIAL WATCH’S EIGHTEEN MONTH SOROS CONSPIRACY THEORY

October 29, 2018/15 Comments/in 2018 Mid-Term Election, Mueller Probe /by emptywheel
Over the weekend, Judicial Watch’s head of investigations Chris Farrell went on Lou Dobbs and referred to the group of migrants Trump has dubbed a “caravan” as a,

highly organized, very sophisticated organization — I have that from the highest levels of the Guatemalan government — they’re investigating those groups criminally, and I strongly urge President Trump and his Attorney General Jeff Sessions to do the same here, a lot of these folks also have affiliates who are getting money from the Soros-occupied State Department, and that is a very grave concern.


When people noted that Farrell had been spewing the same kind of Protocols of the Elders of Zion conspiracy that Robert Bowers had embraced before shooting up the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh and that such conspiracy theorizing had led Cesar Sayoc to send a bomb to Soros, Fox took down the segment (but not before showing it twice) and claimed it would no longer welcome Farrell.

Today, Radio Televisión Martí also pulled a Judicial Watch sourced segment attacking Soros in Cuba that Mother Jones pointed to in the wake of last week’s assassination attempt.

Radio Televisión Martí, a network overseen by the U.S. government that broadcasts to Cuba, pulled a video segment it produced months ago that relied on material from the conservative group Judicial Watch and referred to Democratic donor George Soros as a “multimillionaire Jew,” Mother Jones reported last week.

“George Soros has his eye on Latin America. But Judicial Watch, an American investigative legal group, also has its eye on Soros and what it sees as his lethal influence to destroy democracies,” the narrator of the segment says in the video, according to an English translation published by Mother Jones. “It describes him as a millionaire investor and stock market speculator who exploits capitalism and Wall Street to finance anti-system movements that fill his pockets.”

The video also refers to Soros as “the multimillionaire Jew of Hungarian origin whose fortune is estimated at $8 billion” and “a non-believing Jew of flexible morals,” according to Mother Jones.


While the assassination attempt has generated focus on Judicial Watch’s actions, what has not been explained, is how Judicial Watch came to include Soros on its beat, which otherwise for the last several years has remained focused on the themes of the 2016 election (and for basically the history of the organization has been focused unrelentingly on Hillary Clinton). They’re still looking for Hillary emails, and other than a break to push the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation, currently spend most of their time trying to discredit the Mueller investigation. They’re even still trying to use Tony Podesta’s involvement in Paul Manafort’s corruption to suggest John Podesta had a role in such things.

The organization is awful, but they’re not primarily awful in an unreconstructed racist sense.

There are some thematic sympathies, to be sure. JW has supported Trump’s Muslim ban. They’ve done some lawsuits on where refugees were resettled under the Obama Administration. JW sued for information on unaccompanied minors in custody under the Obama Administration, claiming they had ties to gangs and other crimes. Even before Farrell’s “caravan” comments, he and JW President Tom Fitton were calling to militarize the border.

Just as notably, the premise behind Farrell’s coverage of this issue and presence on Lou Dobbs’ show over the weekend (though he has been a very regular guest on Dobbs’ show) — that he recently took a fact-finding trip to investigate the “caravan” — is also a departure from Judicial Watch’s normal investigative approach, which involves endless FOIAs rather than reporting trips.

JW is pitching its coverage of the “caravan” as part of its “corruption chronicles” which are normally focused on the US government, perhaps based on its claim that there is financial support for migrants in Central America.

Here’s one of the reports from his trip — which seems more like an effort to air right wing governments’ propaganda about migrants than any evidence of corruption.

The migrant caravan marching northbound through Central America is an “elaborately planned” movement that’s benefiting human smugglers and bringing disturbing numbers of violent gang members and other criminal elements through Guatemala, according to government sources in the capital city. “MS-13 gang members have been detained and coyotes (human smugglers) are joining the march with clients who pay to get smuggled into the United States,” a Guatemalan official told Judicial Watch. People from Asian countries waiting to get smuggled into the U.S. through Central America are also integrating with poor Hondurans in the caravan, a high-level Guatemalan government source confirmed. Among them are nationals of Bangladesh, a south Asian Islamic country that’s well known as a recruiting ground for terrorist groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda Indian Subcontinent (AQIS). “There are lots of dirty businesses associated with this,” Guatemalan authorities told Judicial Watch. “There’s lots of human trafficking.”

Sandwiched between Honduras and Mexico, Guatemala has been overrun with the onslaught of migrants that began their journey last week in the northern Honduran city of San Pedro Sula. At last count around 7,000 have participated in the trek, a great deal of them rowdy, angry men ages 17 to 40. President Jimmy Morales has ordered the military and police to detain all of the migrants and facilitate their safe return back to Honduras, though thousands have already reached the Mexican border. In a morning interview with Judicial Watch at the Guatemalan Ministry of Defense, Secretary of Defense General Luis Miguel Ralda Moreno said more than 2,000 Hondurans have been sent back home on buses. “We’re doing everything possible to stop the caravan while still respecting human rights,” General Moreno said.

During an afternoon interview at the National Palace, President Morales said that Guatemala has absorbed the huge cost of mobilizing police and military to return thousands of people to Honduras. He would like the United States to help him find the organizers of the caravan so they can face legal consequences. “Mass immigration like this endangers lives,” Morales said. “This is unprecedented. We are in the process of investigating who is behind the caravan.” Morales assures that Guatemala is doing everything possible to curb illegal immigration and asked for cooperation from the United States.


But as it turns out, and as the Radio Televisión Martí piece makes clear, JW’s attacks on Soros go back further, at least 18 months.

The effort publicly started in February 2017, as tensions between the right wing government and the opposition in Macedonia started heating up. At that point, JW accused Soros of engaging in a “clandestine” effort to overthrow the government, one based on a Viktor Orbán accusation (remember that Orbán is about to shut down Soros’ Central European University, an effort launched around the same time as this JW effort).

Here’s how the clandestine operation functions, according to high-level sources in Macedonia and the U.S. that have provided Judicial Watch with records as part of an ongoing investigation. The Open Society Foundation has established and funded dozens of leftwing, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) in Macedonia to overthrow the conservative government. One Macedonian government official interviewed by Judicial Watch in Washington D.C. recently, calls it the “Soros infantry.” The groups organize youth movements, create influential media outlets and organize violent protests to undermine the institutions and policies implemented by the government. One of the Soros’ groups funded the translation and publication of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” into Macedonian. The book is a tactical manual of subversion, provides direct advice for radical street protests and proclaims Lucifer to be the first radical. Thanks to Obama’s ambassador, who has not been replaced by President Trump, Uncle Sam keeps the money flowing so the groups can continue operating and recruiting, sources in Macedonia and the U.S. confirm.

With a population of about 2 million, Macedonia has one of the more conservative governments in Europe. This includes the lowest flat tax in Europe, close ties with Israel and pro-life policies. The country recently built a border fence to crackdown on an illegal immigration crisis that overwhelmed law enforcement agencies. Between 10,000 and 12,000 illegal aliens were crossing the Greek-Macedonian border daily at the peak of the European migration crisis, a Macedonian official told Judicial Watch, and the impact was devastating. This is likely of big interest to Soros, a renowned open borders advocate who pushes international governance, diminished U.S. global power and an increase in Muslim immigration. Soros spent tens of millions of dollars to support Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Just this month Hungary’s prime minister lashed out against Soros for funding groups to secretly influence the country’s politics. “Large-bodied predators are swimming here in the waters,” said Viktor Orban in his annual state of the nation speech. “This is the trans-border empire of George Soros, with tons of money and international heavy artillery.”


JW started suing for State documents on Soros’ involvement in Macedonia in April 2017. In May of that year, Mike Lee and five other GOP Senators started probing why State fosters democracy. This year, JW has sued for information on State-funded Soros programs in Romania, Colombia and Albania. The Radio Televisión Martí piece makes it clear they’re focusing on Cuba, too.

Perhaps most interesting, however, is a May 21 piece Farrell did on Lou Dobbs, (this came in the wake of the Concord Management filing complaining about the same, but I’m still working on pulling up the full episode to see if that’s what it was a reference to) in which he claimed that President Obama pursued a policy of regime change overseas, at times funded by Soros, which Dobbs suggested may have prompted Putin’s own tampering.

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That is, not only are JW and Dobbs complaining that Soros is undermining right wing governments, but at least once, they made the argument that Soros’ open society work justified Putin’s own tampering in 2016.

Update: This InfoWars piece pointing to JW’s Albanian documents to sustain a claim that JW has proven the caravan is funded by Soros relies on both JW’s FOIAed documents and documents leaked by dcleaks in 2016. While I’m definitely not suggesting a link, by using both JW FOIAed documents and GRU stolen ones, InfoWars ties Putin’s 2016 effort to JW’s current ones.

Update: This post says the conspiracy theory linking Soros to the caravan dates to March.

The claims of a direct link between intentional SºRºS funding and the Latin/Central America ⊂⟑r⟑v⟑n appeared on March 30th. Of course, this was a different caravan. But it is the origin of the larger theme and keywords. It was amplified in April and May by TheBl⟑ze, WND, along with the usual actors, rage blogs, and sketchy K.⟑.G. cyborg accounts. And by MSN headlines, fact checks, and aggressive left-wing “retort” sites.

Let’s begin from the start. To be clear, I don’t mean all the SºRºS-funding rumors, but specifically the damaging Latin America-related ⊂⟑r⟑v⟑n-funding, midterm election impacting one.


Update: The employees behind the Radio Televisión Martí ads have been suspended and may get fired.

The federal government’s state-funded broadcasting arm is placing a number of employees on administrative leave and opening an investigation into how it ended up airing a story this year attacking liberal financier George Soros as a malignant “multimillionaire Jew.”

The story aired in May on Radio Televisión Martí, a Spanish-language broadcaster housed in the Office of Cuba Broadcasting in Miami. OCB is a division of the United States Agency for Global Media (USAGM), formerly known as the Broadcasting Board of Governors, an independent federal agency that oversees government-funded news organizations around the world.

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“Those deemed responsible for this production will be immediately placed on administrative leave pending an investigation into their apparent misconduct,” Lansing added. “Disciplinary action appropriate under federal law may then be proposed, including the potential removal of those responsible, depending on the outcome of that investigation.”

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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby American Dream » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:34 am

In Praise of George Soros.

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Soros: Open Diamond Geezer and His Enemies.


Frank Furedi, guru of Spiked, wrote in the Daily Telegraph earlier this year.

My encounter with George Soros’s bright-eyed missionaries left me deeply disturbed

Soros does not believe in the legitimacy of borders nor in the authority of national electorates. Consequently he feels entitled to influence and if possible direct the political destiny of societies all over the world. Today it is the future of Britain; tomorrow it might be Italy or Hungary that will be the target of Soros’ largesse.

The problem with Soros is not that he is rich. (Note, like the proprietors of the Telegraph, the secretive Barclay brothers). The rich, like the poor, are entitled to act in accordance with their political views. However, there is something morally wrong when a single individual seeks to use his wealth to alter the will of millions of people who constitute the electorate. It is even worse when an oligarch is able to exercise significant influence over the future of a society that he is not a part of.


Former Revolutionary Communist Party Furedi is not the only disturbed person around


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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:50 pm

The rich, like the poor, are entitled to act in accordance with their political views. However, there is something morally wrong when a single individual seeks to use his wealth to alter the will of millions of people who constitute the electorate. It is even worse when an oligarch is able to exercise significant influence over the future of a society that he is not a part of.


Furedi is not this naive. I know him second-hand, and this is high-smell horseshit.

1. No, the rich are not "like the poor" entitled to act in accordance with their political views, if that means they get to throw around billions to affect political outcomes. Fuck that. Exactly why extreme inequality is a problem.

2. "When an oligarch is able to exercise significant influence over the future of a society that he is not a part of" is what oligarchs do. Every single one of them. Definitionally. Every day. In their business models. In every single one of their business investments. Any time they are involved in politics, which is always. Whether they are acting inside their country of citizenship or outside it. All of the above. Necessarily.

The oligarch is not part of the society on which he acts. That's taking the "imagined community" of nation into the fantasy land of Please Harvest My Organs, Beloved Compatriot. This is why oligarchs need to be abolished as a class, and why Soros-focus (or exclusive focus on ANY ONE of them) is not just misguided and usually barely-disguised anti-Semitism, but actively destructive misdirection.

Some fucking Communist!

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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby Grizzly » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:28 pm

Somebody say Geezer?!

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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:29 pm

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Just a reminder that "Cultural Marxism," the updated, alt-right version of the "Judeo-Bolshevik" idea underlying National Socialism, has also had traction on Rigorous Intuition. (Please don't kick that thread!)

"The Reasons Why People Hate Cultural Marxists"
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39664

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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 pm

JackRiddler » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:50 pm wrote:1. No, the rich are not "like the poor" entitled to act in accordance with their political views, if that means they get to throw around billions to affect political outcomes. Fuck that. Exactly why extreme inequality is a problem.

2. "When an oligarch is able to exercise significant influence over the future of a society that he is not a part of" is what oligarchs do. Every single one of them. Definitionally. Every day. In their business models. In every single one of their business investments. Any time they are involved in politics, which is always. Whether they are acting inside their country of citizenship or outside it. All of the above. Necessarily.

The oligarch is not part of the society on which he acts. That's taking the "imagined community" of nation into the fantasy land of Please Harvest My Organs, Beloved Compatriot. This is why oligarchs need to be abolished as a class...


Jeez, little did I know a day or two later we'd learn that current Global Oligarch #1 (Bezos) would be landing his city-destroying mama-dragon-ship ("Q2") on top of the soon-to-be-disappearing remnants of my neighborhood (LIC). Motherfucker!
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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:33 am

I would love to see the abbreviation "HQ2" brushed into the dustbin, along with all the of taxpayer money I assume will be doled out to Amazon in the form of subsidies and tax breaks in order to entice them to do something they've already decided they want to do. Only someone like Trump can make people like Jeff Bezos and Jeff Sessions into perceived victims.

I'd also love to see the disappearance of "woke," and the use of "suspending my campaign" as a stand in for "withdrawing from the race." The campaign never gets un-suspended. I'm still baffled that ostensibly valid journalism outlets have just adopted this campaign newspeak BS of a phrase.

But I digress.

I have no love for George Soros, but this "Soros runs the world" narrative that has been adopted by the right and even some of the mainstream Republican party is just a thinly-veiled callback to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The only way in which the rich are like the poor is that they are both often hyper-conscious of their own financial situation. I think Jack has it about right on this. The poor are at the bottom of society and its written and unwritten rules, while the rich are generally outside of the rest of society and its rules.
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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:38 pm

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YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHO JUST JUMPED ON THE SOROS CONSPIRACY BANDWAGON!

Or rather, did so many months ago:

Facebook employed a Republican opposition-research firm to discredit activist protesters, in part by linking them to the liberal financier George Soros. (!!!)

It also tapped its business relationships, persuading a Jewish civil rights group to cast some criticism of the company as anti-Semitic. (!!!!!!)


In Washington, allies of Facebook, including Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic Senate leader, intervened on its behalf. And Ms. Sandberg wooed or cajoled hostile lawmakers, while trying to dispel Facebook’s reputation as a bastion of Bay Area liberalism.


NYT INCENDIARY FOR ONCE.
(Talk about a lame fucking lede.)

Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/tech ... acism.html

Hey Zuck, you know what to say!

FAKE NEWS!!!

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Re: The Soros Thread (Retitled)

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:36 am

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Hannes Grassegger, a Swiss writer for Das Magazin, published a very interesting expose on George Birnbaum and his mentor Arthur Finkelstein, two long-time Republican political consultants specializing in attack campaigns deploying culture war and politics of fear. Finkelstein has been in this racket since the early 1970s, and is considered a pioneer of political consulting, which back then was a new thing, at least as a profession. Grasseger's article expands on an earlier report in Das Magazin. Serving Orban and his party starting in 2008, Birnbaum especially worked to weaponize the mythmaking around Soros into its present, turbo-charged form as deployed around the world by xenophobic parties, hard-right fabulists, devoted anti-Semitic propagandists and anyone looking for a one-man scapegoat for all ills. Both happen to be Jewish and don't get what the fuss should be. Finkelstein is credited as an architect of Netanyahu's original election in 1995 and Birnbaum joined him in Likud work starting in 1998. Birnbaum happens to be gay but helped elect antigay politicians. Very interesting reading, published on Buzzfeed and re-posted on this board in full here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41540

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