Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

[Rory]

ok I'll just keep all the screen shots for a later date...thanks for deleting the part where you falsified my post I appreciate it and now I will delete my posts and we can start over with my screen shots in hand in case I need them in the future...you seem to have a memory problem at times

You're pathalogical. For that reason I'm out.

[Sounder]

Nazi's and NATO, sitting under a tree, kissing.

Here is a little counter point for the more discerning folk.

[JackRiddler]

How can anyone think this is anything other than Poroshenko and the Kiev regime finding a pretext for martial law and trying to rally lagging Western sympathy with another really, really, small and totally worthy gamble that this might turn into World War III through VII?

[JackRiddler]

ok I'll just keep all the screen shots for a later date...thanks for deleting the part where you falsified my post I appreciate it and now I will delete my posts and we can start over with my screen shots in hand in case I need them in the future...you seem to have a memory problem at times

You're pathalogical. For that reason I'm out.

You, Rory, often annoy me for making team sports of things I consider more complicated than that. But don't be OUT out, okay? Not if you're going to keep providing loads of excellent material like you have been. You will not be the first who is being completely misrepresented as having aimed attacks at this one poster that you did not. But only by this one poster, who unfortunately does this at times and should stop.

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[Elvis]

ok I'll just keep all the screen shots for a later date...thanks for deleting the part where you falsified my post I appreciate it and now I will delete my posts and we can start over with my screen shots in hand in case I need them in the future...you seem to have a memory problem at times

You're pathalogical. For that reason I'm out.

Whatever this kerfuffle is about, it's probably good that posts were deleted, though now they just clutter the thread.

And Rory, you're mighty close there to a 'diagnosis' there, which is a no-no.



Everyone pretend we're on William Buckley's "Firing Line" show.

[JackRiddler]

You mean we gotta oppose civil rights and be destroyed by Gore Vidal?

[seemslikeadream]

NEWS IN BRIEF

Putin Condemns Ukrainian People’s Unprovoked 1,000-Year Occupation Of South Russia

Monday 5:18pm

MOSCOW—Condemning the actions of the Ukranians over the past millennium as “completely unacceptable by the standards of free and civilized people,” Russian president Vladimir Putin condemned on Monday the unprovoked 1,000-year Ukrainian occupation of South Russia. “We will no longer stand for this inexcusable and unjustifiable display of naked hostility by the Ukrainians, who have baselessly claimed legitimate residence in the region since settling the area in the 10th century,” said Putin, adding that the Ukrainian people’s hawkish and belligerent decision to continue living in villages and cultivating the land would not go unpunished. “Russia cannot be expected to sit back and do nothing while our Black Sea ports are overrun by Ukrainians, as they have been for the better part of recorded history. Does history not demonstrate that millions of South Russian civilians have perished in the occupied region since Oleg of Novgorod first captured Kiev in 882? The Ukrainians must pay dearly for their deceitful and prolonged attack.” Putin went on to demand that all Poles, Finns, and Lithuanians immediately withdraw from their regions of occupied Russia as well.
https://www.theonion.com/putin-condemns ... 1830667218

Russian men barred from entering Ukraine

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said the measure would prevent Russia forming 'private armies' in Ukraine.

36 minutes ago

New travel restrictions will not apply in humanitarian cases [Mykhailo Markiv, Presidential Press Service via AP Photo]
Ukraine has banned Russian men aged between 16 and 60 from entering the country for the duration of martial law after Russia seized three Ukrainian ships and 24 sailors.

The measure was announced on Friday at a security meeting where Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko assured that the move would "prevent the Russian Federation from forming detachments of private armies" in Ukraine "similar to the operations they tried to carry out in 2014."

Ukraine believes that Russian citizens, including Russia's regular soldiers, are fighting alongside Moscow-backed rebels who in 2014 seized parts of Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk regions, declaring them independent from Kiev.

Peter Tsigikal, the head of the state border service of Ukraine, told the president that his department was on the highest level of combat readiness, security measures were boosted on the border with Russia and the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula.

"The male citizens of the Russian Federation aged 16 to 60 are not allowed in. As for the citizens of Ukraine, there are no restrictions," Tsigikal said.

The travel restriction on Russian men would not apply in cases where they visit for "a funeral or some other humanitarian purpose", he said.

Andriy Demchenko, Ukraine's border service spokesman, reiterated that it was not a blanket ban.

"Russian citizens will go through an additional interview at the border, their previous visits to Ukraine will be scrutinised," he told Al Jazeera.

"The decision on each case will be made at the point of entry following the strengthened border control. The exceptions might be applied to individuals with diplomatic status in Ukraine, transport service personnel, people who have temporary or permanent residency in Ukraine, also those who are coming for humanitarian purpose, including death or illness of close relatives."

Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, said at a news conference in Moscow that her country would not respond in kind as it would be "irrational".

She also accused Poroshenko of using martial law as a way of "raising his falling electoral rating in an attempt to earn points during the latest Russophobic wave."

The development came two days after martial law came into force in 10 out of 27 Ukrainian regions for a period of 30 days.

Poroshenko has said the imposition of martial law aimed to prevent an all-out Russian invasion, after Moscow on Sunday blocked the route of three Ukrainian military vessels in shared waters.

The ships were travelling from the Black Sea to the Sea of Azov through the Kerch Strait when they were intercepted.

The confrontation resulted in the seizure of all three ships by Russia and the capture of 24 Ukrainian crew members who were later put under 60-day pre-trial detention and sent to Moscow.

Poroshenko addressed the issue at the security meeting on Friday, saying: "During each of my telephone conversations [with international partners], we raised the issue of consolidating the common position of the world regarding the demand for Russia to immediately release the military."

Also on Friday, Ihor Huskov, a senior official at Ukraine's state security service (SBU), was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying that Kiev was considering "mirror actions".

"Decisions are being considered with regard to the conduct of appropriate mirror actions as a response to the actions of the aggressor," he said, without elaborating what those actions could be.

The scenario was not discussed at the meeting between Poroshenko and his security team.

With additional reporting from Kiev by Al Jazeera's Tamila Varshalomidze

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The standoff began on Sunday after Russia seized three Ukrainian vessels [Al Jazeera]

Ukraine imposes martial law and warns of ‘full-scale war’ with Russia

Kremlin blames Kiev and its western allies for Black Sea clash that sparked new crisis

Daniel McLaughlin Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 16:32

Ukraine’s president Petro Poroshenko meets servicemen as he visits the 169th training centre “Desna” of the Ukrainian army ground forces in Chernihiv Region, on Wednesday. Photograph: Mykola Lazarenko/Ukrainian Presidential Press Service/Handout via Reuters
Much of Ukraine is stepping up security and the combat readiness of military units, after 10 regions introduced martial law in response to Russia firing on and seizing three of Kiev’s naval ships and 24 crewmen in the Black Sea.

The affected areas – which border Russia, the Black Sea and Sea of Azov and a Moldovan province run by Kremlin-backed separatists – now face a heightened risk of attack by Moscow’s troops, according to Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko.

His Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin rejected those claims on Wednesday and accused him of ordering Sunday’s “provocation” in the Black Sea to boost his low ratings ahead of Ukrainian presidential elections in March.

“We are calling up reserves and sending out bigger border teams, including with weapons and in armoured vehicles if necessary,” said Andriy Demchenko, a spokesman for Ukraine’s border guards.

“Our military reserves are ready for action – naval defences and aviation. All these measures are aimed exclusively at strengthening the protection and defence of the state border.”

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Maxim Stepanov, governor of Odessa province which is on the Black Sea and borders the breakaway Moldovan region of Transdniestria, said there were no plans for a curfew, mass mobilisation or confiscation of property for military needs.

“If there’s no open invasion by the Russian Federation then there won’t be any restrictions on citizens’ rights. There’s no reason to panic,” he added.


“The train station and airport are important pieces of infrastructure and security there will be strengthened . . . and tighter measures will be imposed for crossing the borders,” Mr Stepanov said, noting that Russian citizens entering Ukraine would face particular scrutiny.

“We will strengthen measures on information – and cyber-security. We will put air defences on standby,” he added.

‘Combat alert’

Maxim Soroka, spokesman for border guards in the Azov-Black Sea region that borders Russian-occupied Crimea, told Radio Free Europe that all units there “are on combat alert . . . Reinforcement measures have been taken in all areas.”

Visiting a military base on Wednesday, Mr Poroshenko said “we will redeploy forces” but insisted there would be no offensive against Russian-led militia in eastern Ukraine.

“Above all we should have weapons ready on the territory of Donetsk and Zaporizhia regions on the coast of the Azov Sea. Why? Because they want to link occupied Crimea with the occupied eastern part of our state.”

Mr Poroshenko told Ukrainian television that the Black Sea contretemps was “just the start” and that his country faced the threat of “full-scale war” with Russia; the number of Russian tanks at a base 18km from Ukraine’s border had tripled from September to October, he claimed.

Mr Poroshenko also spoke to US television, ahead of possible talks between US president Donald Trump and Mr Putin at a meeting of G20 states in Argentina on Friday and Saturday.

Asked by NBC news what message he would like Mr Trump to deliver to the Russian leader, Mr Poroshenko said: “Please get out from Ukraine, Mr Putin.”

‘I don’t like that aggression’

Mr Trump said he would decide whether to meet Mr Putin after a briefing on Ukraine from security advisers: “Maybe I won’t even have the meeting . . . I don’t like that aggression. I don’t want that aggression at all.”

Mr Putin described the Black Sea clash as “a provocation organised by the current authorities and current president, ahead of presidential elections in Ukraine.”

As Russia announced the deployment of new S-400 missiles to Crimea, Mr Putin criticised the West for “short-sightedly” backing Kiev’s leaders.

“You get the impression that whatever they do, they get away with it,” he said.

“If today they demand babies for breakfast then they’ll probably be given babies, and they’ll just say ‘well, they want to eat, what can be done about that?’”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.3713488

[Rory]

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[seemslikeadream]

Ukraine sends troops to Russian border amid fears of an 'invasion'


Ukrainian soldiers take part in military exercises in the Ukrainian Ground Forces training centre near Honcharivske Credit: Reuters
Ukraine has begun calling up reservists and deploying troops to the border to counter what it says is the growing threat of a Russian invasion.

President Petro Poroshenko, who last week declared martial law in 10 regions, announced the military moves on Monday in response to a “sharp increase in Russian forces along our borders” and in the Crimean peninsula.

The day before, Mr Poroshenko claimed that Russia was trying to capture the major port of Mariupol to create a land corridor to Crimea.

Vladimir Putin's spokesman called this statement “absolutely absurd” on Monday and accused Ukraine's leader of “provoking tensions” before the presidential election there in March.

The escalation stems from when Russian forces fired upon and seized three Ukrainian naval ships attempting to pass the Kerch Strait on November 25. The vessels were heading for Ukrainian ports in the Sea of Azov, where Kiev has announced plans for a naval base.

The speaker of the Russian parliament said on Monday it would give awards to the border guards who rammed a Ukrainian naval tugboat south of Kerch before capturing it along with two artillery boats.

The two dozen Ukrainian sailors captured in the incident have been moved to Moscow and face up to six years in prison on charges of violating Russia's borders.

Moscow annexed Crimea after protests forced out a Russia-friendly government in Kiev in 2014, giving it it full control over the Kerch Strait, the only entrance to the Sea of Azov. Mr Putin opened a bridge over the strait in May.

Russia has also been backing separatists in a conflict in eastern Ukraine that has killed more than 10,000 people since 2014.

The Ukrainian military said on Monday it had begun calling up its first line of active reserves, which include men up to age 40 who have previously undergone armed forces training, as well as cadets.

It promised the men would be home in time for in time for the holidays beginning on December 25, shortly before martial law expires.

Troops in the Chernihiv region near the Russian and Belarusian borders staged war games on Monday, after which they were address by a camouflage-clad Mr Poroshenko, as well as the commanders of the Canadian army and the US army in Europe.

The armed forces are also planning military exercises in two regions near Crimea.

Russia moved anti-ship missiles toward the Kerch Strait this week. It has deployed an additional battery of S-400 surface-to-air missiles to Crimea, although preparations for this installation were begun before the Kerch crisis, according to satellite imagery.

Ukraine has less than a quarter as many soldiers as Russia and remains outgunned in the sea and air. But analysts have said Moscow is unlikely to take military action before March's election, which Mr Poroshenko is in danger of losing.

Following revelations of his business dealings in Russia, Donald Trump cancelled a meeting with Mr Putin at the G20 summit this weekend, demanding that he release the Ukrainian ships.

Mr Poroshenko has called for talks between the Normandy Four—France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine—to de-escalate the situation.

He said he could not get through to Mr Putin by phone after the ships were seized. On Monday, the Kremlin said no conversation was planned between the two leaders.


Accompanied by US and Canadian commanders, Petro Poroshenko speaks to soldiers at exercises in Chernihiv region on Monday Credit: Sergei Supinsky/AFP
The number of Russians entering Ukraine has halved since Kiev banned Russian men aged 16-60 on Friday.

Many families have relatives in both countries, and despite ongoing tensions, Russia was Ukraine's biggest trading partner in 2017.

Kiev's transport minister has accused authorities in the Kerch Strait of a “blockade” against Ukrainian ports on the Azov Sea, where shipping has shrunken by half following the breakout of fighting with separatists in 2014 and the construction of the Crimean bridge.

But the central bank on Monday said even if shipping was cut off completely, most of the $230 million in metal exports handled by Azov ports each month could be rerouted.

More than 60 large ships were stopped south of the strait when The Telegraph visited for two days last week, but the owners of one said it had been delayed by inclement weather.

Member of parliament and presidential candidate Yulia Tymoshenko, a former prime minister, said on Monday there may have been an “artificial political basis for the introduction of martial law” by Mr Poroshenko last week.

A new poll found she was leading the race with 14 per cent support, followed by Mr Poroshenko and Volodymyr Zelensky, who plays a schoolteacher-turned-president on television, with 8 per cent each.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... -invasion/

[JackRiddler]

Tymoshenko - who has maximum name recognition - at 14%, ahead of Chocolate King's 8%. Who is tied with an actor who plays a teacher who becomes president. (Sounds like the real favorite in the world of 2018.)

Those Ukrainians are so (not) itching to vote in their next oligarch, damn!

[conniption]

mint press news


Washington Just Injected Serious Cash and Weapons into Ukraine’s Far-Right Regime

It doesn’t seem to bother US lawmakers that the government of Ukraine is dominated by Neo-Nazi demagogues and paramilitaries who worship Stepan Bandera and other Ukrainian collaborators in the Third Reich’s Final Solution.

by Finian Cunningham
December 27th, 2018

Oh, what a lovely big stocking-filler for the Kiev regime this week from Washington. Just in time for Christmas too, and only weeks after President Petro Poroshenko tried to incite a war with Russia from a naval provocation in the Kerch Strait.

First, we had US government envoy Kurt Volker announcing this week that an additional $250 million in military weapons were being packaged in Congress for Ukraine. Then the DC-based international lending institutions, the IMF and World Bank, signed off on multi-billion-dollar loans for Poroshenko’s regime.

US government-owned Radio Free Europe described the new financial loans as a “victory” for Poroshenko. The apparent investor confidence bestowed by the Washington-based “development agencies” will boost the incumbent president’s re-election prospects in the forthcoming ballot in March. Up until recently, Poroshenko was trailing in opinion polls and looked set for a trouncing defeat in the election. How convenient that the IMF and World Bank – under the control of US government – should step up to the plate with a very big helping hand. And that’s not seen as interference in a country’s sovereign affairs?

Since the CIA-backed coup d’état in Kiev in February 2014 against the elected government of Viktor Yanukovych, it is estimated that the US has provided the cabal that seized power with up to $1 billion in military aid. And those dubious gifts keep coming, with the envoy Kurt Volker this week announcing to a forum in Brussels that the US Congress is processing an additional $250 million.

It doesn’t seem to bother American lawmakers that the Kiev regime is dominated by Neo-Nazi demagogues and paramilitaries who worship Stepan Bandera and other Ukrainian collaborators in the Third Reich’s Final Solution. Just recently President Poroshenko was photographed inspecting Ukrainian special forces some of whom were donning insignia of the Third Reich’s SS.

As Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed out in his annual press conference this week, the Kiev regime has been waging a war and a blockade against its own Ukrainian citizens in the eastern Donbas region for over four years, in which civilians continue to be killed on a daily basis.

One reason why that war remains largely unknown in the West is that western news media don’t report on it. Or when they do, they distort with lies that Russia has “invaded Ukraine”. This is similar to how the Western news media largely “forgot” to report on the war in Yemen, and when they have bothered to mention Yemen at all, they again distort by calling it a proxy war with Iran.

The Ukraine war against the ethnic Russian people of eastern Ukraine is driven by a rabid Russophobia subscribed to by the Kiev regime consistent with the exterminatory mentality of the Third Reich with whom their antecedents collaborated with during the Second World War.

The criminal recklessness of Washington knows no bounds. Just as President Donald Trump announces this week that he is pulling out American troops from Syria (illegally present there for the past four years), the same administration is stepping up its military involvement in Ukraine.

After the November 25 incident in the Kerch Strait when three heavily armed Ukrainian warships violated Russia’s maritime border, one might have thought that the US backers of the Kiev regime would have prevailed upon it with caution not to incite Russia. Not a bit of it, it seems. The US is giving notice that it is increasing its already hefty military support. That amounts to a green light from Washington to the Kiev regime to continue its provocations.

The timing of the IMF and World Bank financing is also blatant, and equally reprehensible. The IMF said it had approved $4 billion in new money for the Kiev regime, the first tranche of which will be disbursed by December 25, Christmas Day in the Western calendar! Together, the IMF and World Bank loans will enable the Kiev regime to seek taking on even more debt from other international sources, their approval acting as an endorsement of “sound economy”.

Ukraine is already lumbering from huge national debts of around $115 billion. The IMF and World Bank are therefore pushing the country into deeper arrears. No doubt that is part of the threadbare pattern of how Western capital will strip the country of its resources and the populace thrown into debt slavery.

Nevertheless, grave legal questions arise. It is understood that the Bretton Woods institutions of the IMF and World Bank, officially affiliated with the United Nations, are forbidden from lending money to states which are in the midst of armed conflict. How is it then possible that those institutions are bankrolling the Kiev regime given the latter’s horrendous assault on its own people in eastern Ukraine, its explicit affiliation with Neo-Nazi ideology, and its brazen attempts to provoke a war with Russia?

Furthermore, IMF lending was supposedly put on hold in 2017 because the Kiev regime was not complying with demands to crack down on corruption and implement political reforms. If anything the economic and political corruption in Ukrainian territory under the control of the Kiev regime has become an even bigger, more rampant problem. The IMF and World Bank announced their “financial goodies” this week without providing any evidence of purported conditional improvements.

This all makes for a grim prognosis over the coming months. The Kiev regime has no intention to go back to the 2015 Minsk accords which called for a negotiated political settlement in Ukraine. As Putin remarked recently, as long as the current cabal in Kiev remains in power then conflict will be the order of the day.

The US government and the Washington financial institutions are ensuring that the cabal remains in power with their generous rewards of military and capital injections. More disturbing is that the Kiev regime will feel emboldened to take its warmongering against Russia to an even more reckless level.

Father Christmas is supposed to reward good boys and girls. For Washington, the gifts are evidently doled out for a Neo-Nazi rogue regime with blood on its hands.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/washingto ... me/253330/

[Jerky]

Reading the above, it's all so confusing...

Which of the above-listed countries conducted a violent military invasion of which, again?

And despite the constant flow of racist, anti-Ukrainian chatter here about "Ukrainian Nazis", which country is it that's behaving like Germany around the time of the annexation of the Sudetenland, again (recycling all the same Nazi excuses)?

Hmmm... Maybe it really isn't all that confusing when you stop and actually think about it.

J

[conniption]

(friends of yours, J?)

‘End silence of the lambs’: Austrian reporter fears for his life in Ukraine
Published time: 27 Dec, 2018

https://www.rt.com/news/447517-austrian ... d-ukraine/

[Jerky]

Yet MORE confusion (and an off-the-charts level of shameless chutzpah on RT's part)!

Here we have a Russian outlet claiming that journalists in Ukraine fear for their lives, when in fact it is Russian journalists who are threatened into silence by the Powers That Be... and those who stand firm are simply done away with (killed) in such a way as to send an unmistakable message to any other Russian journalists who might get any big ideas.

How many RT articles have their been about THAT troubling phenomenon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j ... ussia#2012

J

[Jerky]

For those of you wishing to compare and contrast media freedom in Ukraine versus Russia, here you go:

Fist up, Ukraine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_o ... in_Ukraine

Ukraine is in 102nd place out of 180 countries listed in the 2017 World Press Freedom Index.[1] Organizations like Reporters Without Borders, Human Rights Watch and Committee to Protect Journalists have condemned Poroshenko government recent bans on media.[2][3][4][5]

Press freedom had significantly improved since the Orange Revolution of 2004.[6][7][8] However, in 2010 Freedom House perceived "negative trends in Ukraine".[9]

The Ukrainian legal framework on media freedom is deemed "among the most progressive in eastern Europe", although implementation has been uneven.[10] The Constitution of Ukraine and a 1991 law provide for freedom of speech.[11]

Many Ukrainian journalists found themselves internally displaced due to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the war in Donbass, including Donetsk-based investigative journalist Oleksiy Matsuka, Luhansk blogger Serhiy Ivanov and Donetsk Ostrov independent website editor Serhiy Harmash. The entire staff of Ostrov left the occupied Donbass areas and relocated to Kiev.[10]

Next up, Russia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia

As of 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2015 Freedom House Freedom of the Press report Russia scored 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass media.[2] Freedom House characterised the situation as even worse in Crimea where, after the 2014 annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are (according to Freedom House) routinely applied to limit freedom of expression.[3]

Multiple international organizations criticize various aspects of the contemporary press-freedom situation in Russia.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] While much attention is paid[by whom?] to political influences, media expert William Dunkerley, a senior fellow at American University in Moscow, argues that the genesis of Russia's press-freedom woes lies in sectoral economic dysfunction.[12]