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Postby Elvis » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:59 am

Interesting if true...

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... erves.html
U.S. Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves
By Nick Cunningham - Jul 05, 2016, 4:46 PM CDT

The U.S. holds more oil reserves than anyone else in the world, including Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Venezuela.

That conclusion comes from a new independent estimate from Rystad Energy, a Norwegian consultancy. Rystad estimates that the U.S. holds 264 billion barrels of oil, more than half of which is located in shale. That total exceeds the 256 billion barrels found in Russia, and the 212 billion barrels located in Saudi Arabia.

The findings are surprising, and go against conventional wisdom that Saudi Arabia and Venezuela hold the world’s largest oil reserves. The U.S. Energy Information Administration, for example, pegs Venezuela’s oil reserves at 298 billion barrels, the largest in the world. Rystad Energy says that these are inflated estimates because much of those reserves are not discovered. Instead, Rystad estimates that Venezuela only has about 95 billion barrels, which includes its estimate for undiscovered oil fields.

Moreover, Rystad argues that there are not uniform ways of measuring oil reserves from country to country. Some countries report proven reserves, using conservative estimates from existing oil fields. Other countries, like Venezuela, report undiscovered reserves. But Rystad applied similar metrics to all countries in its report to make comparisons easier. “An established standard approach for estimating reserves is applied to all fields in all countries, so reserves can be compared apple to apple across the world, both for OPEC and non-OPEC countries. Other public sources of global oil reserves, like the BP Statistical Review, are based on official reporting from national authorities, reporting reserves based on a diverse and opaque set of standards.” The latest assessment, Rystad argues, paints a more accurate portrait.

The U.S., then, sits atop with its oil reserves. Rystad notes that Texas alone could have 60 billion barrels of oil.

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Over at Reuters, John Kemp uses the data to take a look at Saudi Arabia, long thought to have a vast and seemingly endless pool of oil upon which to draw. He notes that the Saudi government suddenly upgraded its oil reserve estimates from 170 billion barrels in 1987 to 260 billion barrels in 1989. Since then, Saudi oil reserves have been unchanged for more than 25 years at 260 billion barrels. As Kemp wryly puts it, “If the government data is accurate, the kingdom has managed the remarkable feat of exactly replacing each produced barrel with new discoveries or increased estimates of the amount recoverable from existing fields.”

Related: Fresh Niger Delta Attacks Could Send Oil Prices Up

Of course, nobody knows the true extent of Saudi oil reserves, which is a closely guarded state secret. But the economic transformation initiated by the Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman could start to change things. The prince has cited his plans to help steer the Saudi economy away from its dependence on oil sales. Part of that plan includes a partial IPO of Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil company. Of course, part of any privatization would need to include a valuation of the company, and to properly assess the value of Aramco, the company would need to disclose more data on its reserves. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen.

Nevertheless, Rystad still puts the U.S. ahead of Saudi Arabia in oil reserves, at 264 billion barrels compared to Saudi’s 212 billion barrels.

The rankings change when simply looking at oil reserves from Proved + Probable (commonly referred to as “2P”), an estimate from existing oil fields. Saudi Arabia has 120 billion barrels of 2P oil reserves, compared to the U.S.’ 40 billion barrels.

On a global basis, Rystad estimates that the world has about 2,092 billion barrels of reserves, or about 70 years’ worth of oil at today’s production rate of 30 billion barrels per year. That compares to the 1,300 billion barrels produced around the world in history. While there is a lot of oil left then, according to this estimate, most of it is of the unconventional variety – whether shale or oil sands or other difficult-to-produce forms of oil. In short, Rystad concludes: “this data confirms that there is a relatively limited amount of recoverable oil left on the planet.” It goes on to caution that business-as-usual won’t work. “With the global car-park possibly doubling from 1 billion to 2 billion cars over the next 30 years, it becomes very clear that oil alone cannot satisfy the growing need for individual transport.”


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Re: Oil.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:40 am

Shale.

One word. Shale.

Even King Hubbert knew that. I remember being told that as a kid, late 70s or early 80s: no worries, after the oil peaks (back then people would falsely say, "runs out,") there is still all that oil in shale. Counting it now is further confirmation of the peak of conventional oil reserves - those close to the surface, that flow when tapped, high net energy.

Total devastation. Ever greater use of explosives and water required to get it out of the rock formations or up from the ocean floor. Spills. Blowouts. Ever greater release of emissions in the process. Dirtier, more refining, ever lower net energy. These are facts of physics, not finance. Poison all the aquifers, create new earthquake zones, set the water on fire. Ever longer delay to the needed massive shift of investment to efficiency and reduction measures and conversion of energy, transport, urbanism and agriculture as a massive "equivalent to war" project immediately - which will usher in an economic renaissance at the same time! But hey, it fucks with Russia. Or seems to. Madness. Motherfuckers. Dumb ones. Reckless, old, carefree asses.

RI References:

Peak oil a hoax? Prove it. (2006-2012)
first page -- last page

Oilmen wanted Iraq invasion in April, 2001 (2008)
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19173

IEA Projections and Peak Oil Politics (2009-14)
firstpage -- last page

How Bad Is Global Warming? (2010-19)
first page -- last page (p. 235!)



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Re: Oil.

Postby Elvis » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:56 am

Thanks for the existing threads. I thought there was already a thread called "Oil" but I didn't find it.

JackRiddler » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:40 am wrote:Shale.

One word. Shale.

Even King Hubbert knew that. I remember being told that as a kid, late 70s or early 80s: no worries, after the oil peaks (back then people would falsely say, "runs out,") there is still all that oil in shale. Counting it now is further confirmation of the peak of conventional oil reserves - those close to the surface, that flow when tapped, high net energy.

Total devastation. Ever greater use of explosives and water required to get it out of the rock formations or up from the ocean floor. Spills. Blowouts. Ever greater release of emissions in the process. Dirtier, more refining, ever lower net energy. These are facts of physics, not finance. Poison all the aquifers, create new earthquake zones, set the water on fire. Ever longer delay to the needed massive shift of investment to efficiency and reduction measures and conversion of energy, transport, urbanism and agriculture as a massive "equivalent to war" project immediately - which will usher in an economic renaissance at the same time! But hey, it fucks with Russia. Or seems to. Madness. Motherfuckers. Dumb ones. Reckless, old, carefree asses.

RI References:

Peak oil a hoax? Prove it. (2006-2012)
first page -- last page

Oilmen wanted Iraq invasion in April, 2001 (2008)
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=19173

IEA Projections and Peak Oil Politics (2009-14)
firstpage -- last page

How Bad Is Global Warming? (2010-19)
first page -- last page (p. 235!)


Good points about shale, and yeah.

Leave the oil in the soil!
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Re: Oil.

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:00 pm

Google, Amazon Help Big Oil Heat Up Planet

While a generation prepares for an impending climate catastrophe, our nation’s billionaires are profiting from its advancement.

A study conducted late last year showed that by 2035 we will have reached the “point of no return,” after which we’ll be ravaged by the most catastrophic effects of climate change, dwarfing those we’ve already seen:

Fifteen of California’s 20 largest wildfires have happened since 2000;

Last year’s Hurricane Florence had a projected 50 percent more rainfall and was 80 kilometers larger than normal estimates;

Severe droughts have parched countries across the globe.

Automating Pollution

Meanwhile, tech giants in Silicon Valley are allowed to leverage new technologies that aid oil extraction procedures, hiding behind a veneer of philanthropy but reaping as much profit as possible while directly contributing to ecological collapse.

Amazon — the company founded by richest man in the world, Jeff Bezos, and regularly under scrutiny for its horrible working conditions and low wages — is now literally an oil company, selling synthetic motor oil in competition with Valvoline.

Amazon web services (AWS), which provides AI, machine learning, and cloud computing tools to businesses, has a dedicated Oil & Gas division. Its clients include BP, Royal Dutch Shell, and Hess, and Amazon has enlisted a number of partners for support, including Landmark, a subsidiary of Halliburton.

Google, too, has thrown its hat into the ring, creating Google Cloud Oil, Gas, and Energy. The division’s vice president is 25-year BP veteran Darryl Willis, who helped Google secure an agreement with French oil giant Total to develop AI solutions to help locate natural gas reserves below ground. As Gizmodo has reported, it doesn’t end there:

Google Cloud now has a partnership with Houston oil investment bank Tudor, Pickering, Holt, & Co., which is having trouble competing against electric vehicles and renewable energy; deals with Anadarko Petroleum, one of the largest US oil and gas exploration and production companies, and with Schlumberger and Baker Hughes, which both beat Halliburton as the world’s first and second largest oilfield service companies, respectively; and has entered talks to build a tech hub and data centers for Aramco.



The motives for such business endeavors are, of course, maximizing profit. One needs to look no further than the recent creation of Sensia — a joint effort by Rockwell Automation, the world’s largest company devoted to industrial automation, and Schlumberger.

Sensia will be, according to a press release, “the first fully integrated digital oilfield automation solutions provider.” The company will help optimize drilling and extraction procedures by using technology that automates drilling schedules and diagnoses of machinery problems, and assess data to improve its operations.

These advancements also allow the company to automate jobs and lay off workers. Increased efficiency and fewer workers means an increase in profit. Tech giants use their software to stake their own claim in this, effectively expanding their own markets and increasing their own profits — letting possibilities for a greener future fall to the wayside as they are less profitable endeavors, even if they do stir up the most consumer support.

“We cannot expect morality — they are profit-motivated, with only the interests of their owners in mind,” said Julie Ann Matthaei, an economics professor at Wellesley College, in an email to WhoWhatWhy. “We need to continue to work towards a paradigm shift from an economy centered in narrow materialistic self-interest and the profit motive, to one centered in enlightened, socially responsible self-interest, and caring about and cooperation with one another and the planet.”

This is why a new report — written by Finland-based independent research institute Bios, and commissioned by the UN as part of its 2019 Global Sustainable Development Report — concludes that our current economic model cannot coexist with climate saving measures.

“Without political direction through laws, incentives and sanctions, there is no reason that companies will act autonomically towards the common good, such as transformation towards a decarbonized society,” said the study’s six co-authors in a joint email to WhoWhatWhy. “Currently it is too profitable to engage in economic activity that leads to high climate emissions.”

As Paavo Järvensivu, one of the report’s co-authors, told the Huffington Post, “Trusting that the free market capitalist dynamics will get us there, that of course is not going to happen.”

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Bill Gates at One Planet Summit 2018. Photo credit: Mike Bloomberg / Flickr (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0)

Self-Serving Philanthropy

The capitalist answer to this is philanthropy, a faith that wealthy individuals will use their money in support of the common good. This has proven futile.

Bill Gates, whose net worth of $93.8 billion makes him the second-richest man in the world, is widely noted for his philanthropic efforts. But his plan for fighting climate change — and his $1 billion climate action fund, of which Bezos is a board member — looks weak when considering his company’s 2018 exhibition was themed “Empowering Oil & Gas with AI.”

Gates’s company has also sold software to Shell and helped BP build an AI tool for use on its oil reserves, and its data services are used by Exxon subsidiary XTO. In 2017, it signed a seven-year deal with Chevron. And earlier this year, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook co-sponsored LibertyCon. The event included a session hosted by Caleb Rossiter, a member of the nonprofit CO2 Coalition, which advocates for increased carbon dioxide emissions, and questions the validity of climate change science.

“Philanthropy by the rich and powerful usually serves their interests,” said Matthaei. “We need to organize ourselves and pressure corporations and the government to serve the people’s’ interests. This includes ending the rampant corruption of the democratic political process by big money.”

The study’s authors at Bios agree. “It is not in line with the principles of democracy that (rich) individuals have such a strong say in what kind of activity is supported and what not,” they said.
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Re: Oil.

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:18 pm

If we could only somehow find some way to make cars self-driving, then we could all keep working during our 3 hour commutes to and from work. And with all of that additional shale to shill and production value to exploit, capitalists would have no choice but to become even more philanthropic!
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Re: Oil.

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:38 am

This was the IEA 2009 report graphic showing sources of oil used historically and projecting for the future.

Here's the 2009 graphic again. (It breaks, possibly because it's gif?) Does anyone have the current version? It would be very interesting to compare the two.

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/ ... l-shortage

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Re: Oil.

Postby Elvis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:01 pm

There has long been skepticism about just how depleted are the Saudi fields. The IPO stumble is telling.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/10 ... o-ipo.html
The Oil Mystery Undermining An Aramco IPO
Posted on October 30, 2019 by Lambert Strether

Lambert here: Hard to imagine buying an enormous store selling hard goods without taking a physical inventory, it is true. Over-simplified?



By Kurt Cobb, a freelance writer and communications consultant who writes frequently about energy and environment. His work has also appeared in The Christian Science Monitor, Resilience, Le Monde Diplomatique, TalkMarkets, Investing.com, Business Insider and many other places. He is currently a fellow of the Arthur Morgan Institute for Community Solutions. Originally published at OilPrice.com

It’s what you can’t see—the oil beneath the Arabian sands—that potential investors in Saudi Aramco’s on-again, off-again initial public offering (IPO) ought to focus on. The truth about the remaining oil resources beneath the Saudi desert continues to be a state secret. I’ll elaborate on this after a little background to set the context.

Recently, Saudi Aramco, the state-owned Saudi oil company, delayed its planned IPO again. For those who missed the previous time, plans for the IPO first came to light in 2016 as part of Saudi Arabia’s 2030 Vision, essentially a plan to diversify the country’s economy away from heavy dependence on oil. The feverish attention the proposed IPO produced abated when the world’s largest company unexpectedly withdrew it in 2018. The financial firms advising the government were let go as the government looked for other ways to raise money for its 2030 Vision plans.

And yet, the IPO idea remained a possibility and was later revived. The problem has been that both times the IPO looked like it was about to happen, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia got cold feet, worried that it might not get the $100 billion it wants for 5 percent of the company.

Initial hopes of listings on prominent international exchanges such as the New York Stock Exchange and the London Stock Exchange have long since been abandoned. But the most recent IPO attempt was to be made wholly on Saudi Arabia’s own domestic exchange. Even that apparently looked like it might fail.

So, the big question is why. The answer is probably right beneath the Saudis’ feet: The oil under Saudi sands—or rather the uncertainty about the amount of extractable oil that still lies there.

The vast infrastructure that makes up the Saudi oil industry is visible to anyone with access to satellite photography. Its details are so widely known that the kingdom’s enemies in Yemen were able to launch a crippling drone strike on that infrastructure not long ago that temporarily knocked out half the kingdom’s production capacity.

None of this is a mystery to investors. And, the amount of oil that is brought out of the ground and sold each day into the international and domestic markets is calculated and crosschecked against information from a vast international oil surveillance system where precious data about oil well production and cargoes goes for millions of dollars to subscribers.

The one piece of data that cannot be known with much clarity is the size of Saudi oil reserves. The Saudis have a publicly stated number. But Saudi Aramco has not submitted to an independent audit of its reserves since 1980. Stated reserves have barely budged since 1998 according to the most recent BP Statistical Review of World Energy despite enormous production. One would think that 20 years of robust production would have had some downward effect on reserve numbers.

But even if reserves have in reality held steady, what’s left of the total oil resources under Saudi Arabia has been declining. (Resources are typically defined as original oil in place, a rather vague estimate. Reserves are defined as oil which can be extracted profitably at today’s prices using current technology from proven deposits. Reserves are only a tiny fraction of resources though reserves may be expanded through exploration and sufficient drilling.)

Why might investors be skittish about Aramco’s oil reserve claims? Back in 2011 diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks revealed that the company might not have the reserves it is claiming, though the diplomats misstated how much lower those reserves might be. But perhaps the biggest reason for the skittishness is that the company seems unwilling to make full disclosure about its reserves. That is almost certainly one of the reasons why the IPO will not be appearing on the New York Stock Exchange which has standards of disclosure that would require an independent audit of reserves.

None of us who have been watching the melodrama of the Saudi Aramco IPO will be surprised if the IPO gets rescheduled and then canceled once again. To put it plainly, investors don’t seem to trust Saudi Aramco’s representations about its reserves and so must be discounting the publicly available numbers. That is what is likely spooking the Saudi government which keeps hoping against hope to get the $100 billion it wants from the IPO.

Therefore, I don’t recommend holding your breath waiting for the kingdom to submit to an independent audit of oil reserves that will clear up the matter anytime soon.



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I didn't wade though all the comments, but this likely sums it up:

Robert Tracsk
October 30, 2019 at 9:52 am

If you are an investment banker, as am I. The key to an IPO is to do your due diligence. Which means to look closely at all the factors in the business of a potential IPO. The KEY factor, in this case, is very clear and simple – How big are the Saudi reserves. The last time they were INDEPENDENTLY (the ONLY acceptable audit) audited was 1980 – OK STOP. That is the end of ALL forward movement – that is totally absurd and no rational banker would touch this without a recent audit ( a YEAR OR TWO) CERTAINLY NOT 40 YEARS. From all the obvious evidence and the obvious lack of data – this is a scam until reserves can be proven.
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Re: Oil.

Postby Elvis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:56 pm

From the same comments section, another aspect:

JimTan
October 30, 2019 at 12:45 pm

Aramco’s reserve estimate are definitely suspect, but there is another big issue which has impeded its IPO.

Listing their shares in U.S. markets would require them to to disclose corrupt payments that are made to ( their own ) government, government owned companies, and government related organizations which could be disguised as royalties, fees, production entitlements, bonuses, charitable donations, or other material benefits. Specifically, section 1504 of the Dodd Frank Act requires all issuers of U.S. securities to disclose any payment made to a department, agency, instrumentality, or company owned by a foreign government in order to further the commercial development of oil, natural gas, or minerals. This requirement means resource companies ( oil, natural gas, minerals ) that list on U.S. exchanges must disclose payments to foreign governments including taxes, royalties, fees, production entitlements, bonuses, and other material benefits. It enhances the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act ( FCPA ) which is limited to prohibiting payments by U.S. listed companies to foreign officials for the purpose of obtaining or retaining business. This is a problem because Aramco has been a huge piggybank for the Saudi royal family since its inception. It is probably the main reason why they are trying to IPO Aramco on the Saudi Arabian Stock Exchange. Unfortunately this makes it very hard for American investors to participate, because American Depository Receipts ( ADRs ) are subject to Dodd Frank and FCPA regulations. One way around this is the U.S. House of Representatives is currently reviewing H.R.4519, a bill that seeks to repeal Section 1504 of the Dodd Frank Act, and shield oil companies from disclosing their payments to foreign governments.

Ultimately these murky estimates of Aramcos oil reserves, and its extensive global web of corrupt payments probably mean this IPO is not a good investment.
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Re: Oil.

Postby Grizzly » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:33 pm

With both Iran, and now, Australia surely prices would go down...lol /s :eeyaa
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33480&p=681156#p681156

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9822955/Trillions-of-dollars-worth-of-oil-found-in-Australian-outback.html
Trillions of dollars worth of oil found in Australian outback
Up to 233 billion barrels of oil has been discovered in the Australian outback that could be worth trillions of dollars, in a find that could turn the region into a new Saudi Arabia.


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Re: Oil.

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 am

What needs to be added to this conversation is exactly what is "oil" and how it is produced. Though Col. Fletcher Prouty gains much of his notoriety from the dark corners of the JFK assassination, he also stated that oil is created "abiotically" and that the PTB's have known this for quite a while. My thoughts are that oil might be used by the planet itself to help facilitate movement of Earth's tectonic plates, providing some form of shock absorbing during these disturbances. Why does the earth produce oil at all? This strange substance simply cannot be old ground up dinosaurs. Didn't ancient animals accidentally fall into the tar pits to be preserved? Hasn't this substance been around for quite a while? There's some big lie hiding behind all this oil consumption. Control, just another measure of controlling the populace by the 'elites'.
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Re: Oil.

Postby alloneword » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:44 am

One thing that's worth remembering with regard to declared reserve figures from OPEC countries is that back in the 1980s the total declared reserves jump around 60% in the space of a few years (not due to an increase in exploration, mind).

This just so happened to be around the time when OPEC adopted a quota system for production. These quotas were based on... declared reserves.

Once one country (UAE) did it, every one else had to do the same (or miss out on production quota).

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http://euanmearns.com/the-aramco-ipo-an ... -reserves/ <-- (Fairly comprehensive article on the Armaco IPO from about 3 years ago).
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Re: Oil.

Postby Elvis » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:42 pm

thrulookingglass wrote: oil is created "abiotically" and that the PTB's have known this for quite a while


Thanks. At some point I was going to bring up the abiotic thing. I've read the pros & cons (though been a long time) and there seemed to be a scientific case for it. Just recently I asked a very 'sciency' friend, whose family was/is connected to the oil business, about the possibility of abiotic oil. I was surprised when he said, as if no big deal, that some oil was indeed abiotic. I'll ask him for details and report back.

The issue is usually cast as "it's all biotic" or "it's all abiotic" but apparently both can exist together. Also, the notion that oil fields 'naturally replenish themselves,' with fresh supplies gushing in from the deeper bowels of the Earth, seems to lack examples in the real world. (Unless abiotic 'auto refill' explains the Saudi 'increase.')
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Re: Oil.

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:01 pm

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Abiotic oil suddenly came back into fashion as a response to the peak oil talk of the early 2000s. As science, it might be true that oil is produced by abiotic processes. As politics, or as a response to the crisis of the present, this would be irrelevant.

What is our situation? Near-total dependence on hydrocarbons. These are burned or processed into fertilizer within a short term after extraction so as to keep the civilization going and the population fed. These must be extracted from underground hydrocarbon reserves. Said extraction results in observable depletion and decreasing net energy returns from the areas of extraction. Besides the eventual running out of extractable reserves at sufficient net energy (which at present consumption rates is going to be a very short term by historical standards, even if it's not next week or next decade), we already see how this has led to a massive expansion in high-destruction drilling activities, fracking, shale, mountaintop removal, ocean-floor drilling, etc. etc. etc., with all the consequences. But hey, they can call it a glut and keep the investment flowing in this insane direction.

The possibility that some or all oil is abiotic can only be relevant to addressing that situation if the rate of abiotic replenishment of the extractable supply happens in most fields within years or decades. No strong evidence of this whatsoever has ever been observed. Even if the abiotic process were to replenish low net-energy fields within a very short geological period of 1000 years, that would be completely useless to us. Abiotic or fossil, keeping the autos running and the ships sailing and the heat on and the factories producing burns up what is extracted within a matter of months or years, depleting fields.

Also, that which is burnt goes into the atmosphere, apparently causing other catastrophic problems, or so I've been told. Abiotic or fossil, makes no difference whatsoever to the hydrocarbon contribution to the ongoing ecological catastrophes and extinction events.

The question is what to do, right? There is no credible argument against seeking the fastest possible (if possible!) exit from the use of hydrocarbon energy by the most radical feasible conversion (a Green New Deal, in the current parlance), including expropriation of the hydrocarbon energy companies and investment of all of their capital (and redirection of their labor, by means of the Jobs Guarantee proposal) into a staged shutdown of their present activities and building the alternatives.

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Re: Oil.

Postby Elvis » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:27 pm

JackRiddler wrote: No strong evidence of this whatsoever has ever been observed. Even if the abiotic process were to replenish low net-energy fields within a very short geological period of 1000 years, that would be completely useless to us.


That's the thing, isn't it, about abiotic oil: "So what?"

I'm picturing two people shouting at each other, "Fossil!!!..numbskull!"..."Abiotic!!!...idiot!"... as the sea level rises to their chins.
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Re: Oil.

Postby thrulookingglass » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:59 am

Abiogenic sources of oil have been found, but never in commercially profitable amounts. - Larry Nation of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists


Well, now we're into the politics of commodity rather than what oil is itself. Most things in nature exist to serve a purpose. I guess oil's purpose was to build wildly destructive empires of greedy loathsome souls, but then again pretty much all labor is based on exploitation. Some say the Viet Nam War was all about the opium trade, Gulf Wars for oil. Conquest through violence for the larceny of what s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ are public resources. Does it matter what we fight over? Or just that 'lower classes' are lead into violence as the useless eaters they are so that others can covet the great graces the Earth-mother offers?

I tell you there is no small reason the terrorist organization, ISIS bears the same name as the goddess. Defile the once pure virgin goddess. Deny the feminine nurturing spirit.

The worship of evil must be done in secrecy. Pyramidic top down rule is unjust in its inception. Devious control of the world's resources to surreptitiously enslave/manipulate the populace. Nothing new under the sun.

The love of rule vs the rule of love.
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