Harvey » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 am wrote:While NATO aircraft were bombing Syrian troops and infrastructure to weaken Assad, you would still occasionally see US senators sincerely calling for hostilities in Syria to cease but advocating continued resistance to ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria because they were blowing up syrian infra-structure and civilians. It was abundantly clear that very few in congress actually understood what was happening, with many radically contradictory beliefs of what was happening and what should be done about it, all being channelled into the same proxy war against Assad, via the destruction of Syria.
Clearly, the same kind of deliberate confusion is mirrored all the way down American and anglosphere societies.
So, when someone points out that QAnon is possibly an FBI creation, a psy-op, we can see why it makes sense to check the machine-like, automatic hatred toward the products of QAnon, on the basis that this emotional response will be channeled, whether you like it or not, very precisely, into everything you hate and stand against and that they too are ultimately victims of the same corrupt society as you.After all, the state must continue to manufacture racism if it is to continue to turn ordinary Americans into killers, happy to be sent abroad to murder brown skinned people in very far away places, and who just happen to live above American oil.
https://swprs.org/q-anon-may-have-been-an-fbi-psyop/
"Someone points out that QAnon is possibly an FBI creation" (or creation of some other psyop-creating element, more likely located within the MAGA or fascist movements with their tentacles inside and outside the state) would be me, too, in
my most popular article (by responses) on Counterpunch, last year. (No requirement that you read it.) So we share that idea, at least as a possibility -- I'm not 100 percent certain.
But we differ otherwise on this point, and a proper response would be a long essay I'm not going to write just now. Suffice to say, QAnon is
structured as an ARG, a consumer entertainment product, and fascist ideology generally works through an
aesthetic appeal to those who are already receptive to it through conditioning that long precedes their encounter with any particular bit of propaganda as adults, that is rooted almost invariably in childhood conditioning and not in later brainwashing (for want of a better word).
What you call "machine-like, automatic hatred" is almost NEVER induced by acts of persuasion aimed at adults. It was done through flags, anthems, pledges and oaths, prayers and scriptures, countless hours at schools of various kinds, marches and parades, childhood socialization into love of military ritual and theater, family teachings and lore, early bullying and gender training, etc. etc. -- a thousand rituals that started even before learning how to read, rituals to which the high and low and sideways alike were all subjected, if in different forms varying by place, time, and subculture.
The likes of QAnon later give those people primed for a certain kind of modern racism and fascism what they are already primed to want, but prefer not to identify as racism and fascism. They reinforce, they provide a game.
You're making the same mistake in the bolded passage also made by the liberals who blame QAnon as a grand, powerful causal factor that must be met with suppression of speech on social media, because it's contagious and deadly and irreversible.
Your passage also ignores that racism is rooted in many generations, it is not some instantaneous product of current hidden elites with contemporary control agendas, it is a master narrative with a long history and a lot of adaptive power. In the end, the answer to everything is not always Edward Bernays. He's a conditioned product too.
If some people are also primed to hate the QAnon narrative because it is so self-evidently a barely camouflaged reinforcer of the racist master narrative -- as well as a work of disinformation that creates confusionism around real issues so as to help channel the possibility of revolt into a staged hosanna for fascism -- then my own tendency is to support that hatred of the QAnon narrative, rather than feel sorry for its "victims," and hope those who respond in this way (i.e., against it) can be educated into understanding it as a show and not as a grand causal factor to fight by censorship. They're my first audience, not the elite yahoos storming the Capitol you want to feel so sorry for, nope.
My tendency is definitely not to make excuses for those who so readily lap up QAnon (and everything related, going back to John Birch mythology and obviously many decades and centuries before that) as being "equally" victims.
That's an outline of first thoughts in response. Because I'm busy, I won't have a chance for an ongoing dialogue on it.
Otherwise, your next post started with
Masculinity aside, they have female killers too.
Not untrue, but more in the movies than in real life. In the
BUTLER-DADA! movie you started, I see Magic Girl as obviously reaping the highest bodycount. Doesn't she usually, in recent Hollywood production? Give the people what they already want, right?
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