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Postby Grizzly » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:28 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:27 am

"All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace is the title of Curtis’s 3-part film, televised on the BBC in 2011, about the power of computers to create our perception of the world. Second, and as a consequence of this depiction, the rest of us, the masses of Western democracies, are depicted not only as powerless but also as drained by this depiction of any historical agency whatsoever."

The article then explains this in terms of spectacle, quoting Benjamin, makes a good point. But I'd go in a different direction. For me it's difficult to expose the fault in Curtis' depiction without seeing that History itself is faulty in the exact same way. History starts to look like just another "conspiratorial narrative."

So this depiction of the masses drained of any historical agency whatsoever is the usual depiction of the masses generally according to History. Brings me back to the idea of the transgressive society, that has always been a great multitude, has always been present, and has never had historical force. Like dark matter. It has tradition, rich culture, and has been around as long as history, growing alongside it, always discounted when history considers the forces shaping events.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:18 am

Which I guess is my problem with historical materialism. For dissecting a history of power, it's great. So good, we may argue that historical materialism is the valorization of history.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:27 am

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I am revisiting a portion of Jack's prior response; most of it resonates with much of my own internal ruminations when attempting to resolve the psychology/psychosis in play among the populace (the impact of mass 'fear' in crippling the ability to think soberly, etc.).

I previously missed this bit here, though -- the part I bolded/underlined, in particular:

JackRiddler » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:41 pm wrote:
Fear + cognitive dissonance, so people reinforce themselves in the faith.

I think it's very important to acknowledge that exactly what you are writing has happened, and that many people thinking rationally, or thinking rationally about everything other than this, are honest, sincere, not simply stupid but under a sway for which they should not be blamed. You know who definitely should not be blamed? Practicing health professionals, where there has been a real high toll, and a trauma.


I disagree strongly, at least in part. The 'sway'/'trance' can only be excused for so long.

ADULTS should ABSOLUTELY be blamed for their cowardice, for their part in keeping quiet when the opposite was sorely needed, and for their part in helping to ENABLE ALL THIS.

It's on us, individually and collectively, to break the fucking spell and CALL IT OUT. This BS has persisted as long as it has in no small part to all those that played along -- due to fear, conditioning, and/or a combination of factors you outlined in your prior response.

They are NOT WITHOUT BLAME. Lives and livelihoods have been lost. Moving forward, the livelihoods and mental/spiritual health of the YOUNG will be tarnished FOR YEARS.

Damn fucking right blame needs to include segments of The People that not only went along with all this shit, but STRONGLY pushed for it in a number of instances, and furthermore, SHAMED those that challenged this insanity, or otherwise happily cheered on as AUTHORITIES punished those that didn't comply.

YES. They absolutely SHARE THE BLAME.

(And we're nowhere near out of the woods yet. There remain MILLIONS that continue to clamor and/or subscribe to the acts of criminality. Hell, quite a few are in this forum. A forum that ostensibly encourages, or at least welcomes, 'Rigorous Intuition'. When blatant acts of totalitarianism are largely accepted here -- in this largely obscure, anachronistic forum -- we're in truly bad shape as a collective, eh?)

And NO: not all health care workers are absolved, either. I know quite a few: nurses, doctors, physicians, physician assistants, etc. Some of them saw this for what it was and called it out. Some, understandably, were too taken by the trauma of what they observed, as you allude.

But then there were others that KNEW and actively took steps to not only keep quiet, but to encourage others to KEEP QUiET as well. THEY ALSO SHARE THE BLAME.

Go back a number of pages and you will see video testimony of a few brave nurses (largely ignored here). Go back just 2 pages and you'll see this:


Belligerent Savant » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:06 pm wrote:.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have- ... 1613669731


We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.


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Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk publicly about herd immunity because people might become complacent and fail to take precautions or might decline the vaccine. But scientists shouldn’t try to manipulate the public by hiding the truth.

...

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, chief medical adviser to Sesame Care, and author of “The Price We Pay.”



See the bolded bit?

"Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk publicly about herd immunity".

Fuck any medical expert, or doctor, that suggested anything of the sort.

That's not an isolated example, either.


As mentioned previously, there are parallels here with Germany in the 30s. The German citizens who actively aided the Nazis in fingering/rounding up their fellow citizens did so largely for many of the same (fear-based or other) reasons you outlined, Jack.


They should get NO free pass.


BLAME ASIDE, my primary interests are NOT in assigning blame, but in WAKING THOSE STILL THEIR SLUMBER. In order to snap out of this collective nightmare, we need to WAKE UP, COLLECTIVELY, EN MASSE.


Whatever can be done to EXPEDITE this AWAKENING is more important than anything else right now.


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You know who else should not get a free pass?

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:39 am

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This really highlights a big difference between us.

I was going to post on this by the way, so it's not only a response to your last post, BS.

Calling people cowards and collaborators who are frightened or fooled or merely over cautious, you sound very much like those who attribute the wish to go out and see people and circulate freely to recklessness and selfishness and contempt and hatred or racism for others.

You believe what you believe, they believe what they believe, both have been reinforced through a variety of autopoetic as well as top-down processes. If you want it to change, you need to learn some compassion and manners in approaching people. This is not about kumbaya or suppression of anything, it's about the approach and the power of respect in getting messages across. Even the Maoists understood this (better than most actually). Do you want to win the change, or do you want your opposition acts to feel good even as they may be counterproductive and make the problem worse?

As Elmer convincingly argues, the grand-conspiracy narrative, unmoored from evidentiary searching and often informed by its own unacknowledged ideologies, constructing all-powerful elites and dumb-ass sleeping (or cowardly) masses, serves to maintain the system and to help along these big bad revolutionary developments, just as much as the official ideology. Much that is contradictory is still convergent on the same goal.

During the first wave of Covid in the U.S. less than a year ago tens of thousands of people were dying and there was a faction, represented on this site also, who said it was all a hoax, that no one was dying. (Just like with the no-victims, no-planes assholes who did so much to ruin whatever remnants of an effective call for 9/11 truth were left at that point.)

Nurses and doctors reported harrowing stories and were called crisis actors. (Long-time members of this board who reported their own experiences were attacked as had-to-be agents.)

People who have entirely good reason to fear infection for themselves or their family members in the high risk categories (as has been borne out) were mocked.

Heroic morons ("citizen reporters") jumped out of their cars for a minute to film the relatively empty lobbies of hospitals or just the fucking hospital parking lots, and presented this as evidence no one was dying inside! And this shit's been reposted here endlessly.

They filmed exhausted emergency workers dozing in parked ambulances or trucks and added mocking soundtracks. (Like James O'Keefe started a correspondence school.)

So after some idiot has made a minor-temporary name for themselves or at least wanked off to their heart's content peddling this species of miniature Big Lie narrative (the lie is still Big, the delivery systems tend to be retail), THEY have helped to drive people into the arms of the Covid Panic camp. They're not the only factor, but they are a factor.

This shit helps reinforce the "campist" effect. Helps make it into religion as against the "heroic" heresy you sometimes show yourself, each increasingly matched to a political camp. And as the camps are formed, the old wisdom from Twain takes hold. It's easier to fool someone (especially using half-lies rather than full ones) than to convince them they've been fooled. Or that people they've seen be wrong about everything until now happen to be right in some way about this.

Time does not make this easier to overcome. Time reinforces this. So time is running out, and useless or counterproductive strategies and tactics objectively help the other side.

Denialists have helped inoculate against those who come along and point out reasonably the numbers are being inflated and manipulated, the death rates are exaggerated, and, most importantly, very few of the lockdown measures at least in US-UK and most of EU make no sense as pandemic responses, but do make sense as a new biosecurity regime.

Good luck with that. Can't talk Ioannides or Kulldorff without being called a denialist (i.e., someone pretending no one died from Covid at all, or who is happy to see the old die, etc.) or morally tantamount to a genocidaire. A big reason for that is the activities of the actual honest-to-god denialists. It's the poison pill principle, whether intended or not.

I've been having this goddamn argument for 20 years now, with all the poison pills thrown into any attempt to get a credible deconstruction and investigation of 9/11. This was done both intentionally and through stupidity, both by honestly mistaken or traumatized persons as well as, no doubt, by the protectors of perpetrators themselves.

I'd like to hit back hard on anyone who tells me my refutation of the official stories and demand for full disclosure, on the basis of probable cause of facilitation or orchestration from within the state, makes me crazy or anti-Semitic or far right-wing. But there's Alex Jones, having placed himself at the front, industrially disseminating disinformation he knows was manufactured in his own shop, getting all the attention from his enemies (de facto allies) in the corporate media, and I and others have to detach ourselves from him or be damned.

Especially watch the "cowardly," by the way. You may be a real tough and brave fellow, but most people have learned fears for good reason, from childhood forward. Most people have plenty of traumas, conditioned and socialized. It's a human condition, to be overcome if at all with compassionate help (and sudden exhortations to choose, but with the right timing), not to be mocked and condemned so generally that basically you're declaring yourself the enemy of all your potential allies on the other side of the question.

Some things to think about as you I hope recall your own concluding words:

...my primary interests are ... in WAKING THOSE STILL THEIR SLUMBER. In order to snap out of this collective nightmare, we need to WAKE UP, COLLECTIVELY, EN MASSE.

Whatever can be done to EXPEDITE this AWAKENING is more important than anything else right now.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:26 pm

Just to come back to the rational mind thing again. Say it is the castle of the rational, defending itself against the irrational. When someone does something we perceive as irrational, it's as if the guards of the castle fell asleep, allowing irrational ninja commandos to sneak in and kidnap the princess.

I don't know about you, but I find this irrational. The rational mind doesn't throw out the irrational, like a book industry beaureaucrat, but tries to make sense of it. A sharp rational mind is the editor of the irrational, fashioning it into something more or less coherent.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:29 pm

Is too much to ask for clear scientific evidence of the benefits of masks, which masks, outdoor masks, outdoor distancing, lockdowns, what kind of lockdowns, experimental vaccines, which experimental vaccines, air filters, which air filters, nutritional supplements, which nutritional supplements more than a year since this began?

Id it OK to point out that all of the above are still (and in many cases mysteriously) lacking more than a year since this began?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:32 pm

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Jack:

I can appreciate how my approach here in this forum can be construed as you highlight above -- this is understandable: you and others here only know me by the words I type in this forum -- but I will simply say that it largely represents only one of numerous aspects of my personality.

I often use this platform ("RI") as a sounding board of sorts -- a means to express myself freely without too many caveats or 'bedside manner', though I tend to add a few anyway when I craft responses or comments here.

Without going into too much detail, I'll simply add that (as I've mentioned here before) I am a father of young children. I am also a son, and son-in-law, of women in their 70s and 80s. They, as well as other elders in my extended family, take priority over anything else. Care, understanding, and compassion are critical aspects of caretaking the young and old. I'm certainly not alone in this responsibility, of course. I imagine many here, and everywhere, are in similar circumstances, with similar concerns and considerations.

All that is to say: I can understand your typed words given the tone of my last reply, but my 'real world' approach offers more dimensions towards friends, family and neighbors than suggested here:
Calling people cowards and collaborators who are frightened or fooled or merely over cautious, you sound very much like those who attribute the wish to go out and see people and circulate freely to recklessness and selfishness and contempt and hatred or racism for others.


[though of course with my immediate family and friends I may well riff away on free associated rants from time to time... that's what true friends and family are for! Enduring my hot air... within certain limits, otherwise I'd be labeled a sadist.]


Along similar themes, I'll leave you all with an excerpt that closely aligns with the talking points of the last page or so of this thread:


SUMMARY

Yes, there is a disease, and for people with pre-depleted immune systems, it can be deadly, if not treated properly. I am in New York, and in spring, some friends of friends have passed (of medical mismanagement and chaos, it seems, not to mention the choice to force-send COVID patients to nursing homes). For the majority of people who get it, this thing can be either nearly unnoticeable or extremely unpleasant but survivable. I, for instance, seemingly had the extremely unpleasant version (which I don’t regret because it reminded me of what life is for).

When the pandemic was announced last year, the protocols recommended by the WHO were rather deadly, and Western hospitals that enforced them or encouraged people to not seek treatment until they were about to die, unfortunately killed a lot of patients. Not the doctors’ fault!! However, the harm was done, both to the lives and to the minds of many people, and the “respectable” medical authorities who have been pushing for lethal protocols and blocking effective treatments—even as knowledge kept flowing in—are nothing short of homicidal monsters, in my opinion. They are monsters, not the asymptomatic “antimaskers” (who, despite what the agitprop wants you to believe, are actually following the science, or at least the most convincing science that exists on the subject).

And yes, along the way, there have been pioneers and whistleblowers among the nurses, doctors, and scientists—but the respectable media stayed silent or smeared them as right-wing loons, saying what they had to say to keep their jobs (and some still are). Also, there seems to be distinctive “party line” (being scared is good), touting which is a requirement for being viewed as “normal.” Not a good sign.

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4:25 PM · Feb 10, 2021·Twitter for iPhone


At some point in time, when the hospitals returned to their traditional approach to treating patients (based on evidence and experience), patients started recovering much better.

The messiest aspect of the story is that effective COVID treatments and prophylaxes seem to have existed almost from the get-go (see the extensive list of links to stories and studies at the end); more of them kept being discovered as the new data was coming in—and kept being shut down by the same authorities who had recommended lethal treatment protocols in the beginning and who had historically colluded with pharma firms (and then banned by cooperating politicians). Yes, that sounds absolutely crazy! Insane and unbelievable! And I don’t think that this can be explained by incompetence alone; plus, the WHO is the same organization that in the past has pleased Big Tobacco and gone to great lengthts to underplay the harms of the Fukushima nuclear disaster—and more recently, on record, worked with Big Pharma companies to declare a pandemic that never was, so that said Big Pharma companies could legally sell the lucrative medical product they usually like to sell.

In my opinion, the only explanation that can reconcile this horrible reality with rational logic is that “we the people” have re-joined the ranks of world history, so to speak, and have become to the new colonizers what “the indigenous” were to the old ones—and that the so called “pandemic measures” have never been about our health but instead, about clumsily ushering us all toward a new social and economic order, aka “the Great Reset.” etc. I understand that it’s a bitter pill to swallow. I completely do. I hate it, too. It’s awful to be abused, and pleasant to believe that we are the masters of the world. No soulless religious reform in human history has been fun, and I am far from thrilled that I have to live through one. Like, why? Like really, why? Why in my lifetime? So I hear you. But facts are facts.

Doctors all over the world have reported practical successes with many treatments. The not-really-controversial malaria drug, asthma meds, ivermectin, various combinations of cheap meds and vitamins, the Madagascar treatment, homeopathy (yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,” and some counties like for example India use it broadly; plus, a curious fact: these countries have done much better than America at treating COVID). Combined, these treatments seem to have saved numerous lives, to the sound of crickets in the respectable Western media. (Actually, worse than crickets! The media pulled a WMD, and HCQ was spun as a right-wing conspiracy, ivermectin was actively discouraged, and the meager coverage of the Madagascar treatment was blatantly colonial. Evidently, African scientists were not good enough to determine if their treatment was effective, and needed the approval of the proverbial “white man.”)

As a result, the countries—and the individual physicians—who treated patients during this challenging time in accordance with evidence-based medical standards, did a lot better than those who followed in the footsteps of the WHO. Meanwhile, the “official science” kept doing insane things like using using lethal dosages of HCQ in highly publicized clinical trials to prove that the medication was dangerous, faking studies, bullying doctors who were successful in treating COVID, looking the other way when facts contradicted their statements, etc. etc. Like seriously WTF.

Also, let’s keep in mind that the institutions that became suddenly so protective of people’s health are the same institutions that have traditionaly sided with giant corporations, which knowingly poisoned people. No? Also, at the end of this article, please check the list of various documented experiments on unsuspecting citizens of western countries. Politicians suck!


Much more at link, as well as numerous embedded links and sources.

https://tessa.substack.com/p/pandemic-panopticon


One more comment [on EDIT]: my reference to "cowardice" is mostly directed towards those that knew/know better (a sub-segment of scientists, doctors, journalists, politicians, bureaucrats, learned 'scholars' among us, etc.) and yet continue to go along with the LIES. It may have been partially understandable during those first couple months or so, but to continue to keep quiet or participate in proliferation of misleading/false info is, indeed, cowardly -- to say the least.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:37 pm

Like, all rational editors have been kidnapped, their bodies held in sway by the irrational spell of automatic writing. The hand attached to the body is writing, drawing, moving under the power of something irrational, the enchanted pen, the 'planchette going its own way' beneath the hands.

One day the rational editors will return to liberate all the bodies. They'll take back the hands, channel the irrational flow into productive avenues, be the protectors and guides of irrationality.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:48 pm

Just one thing:

yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”


It is the very definition of pseudoscience. Homeopathy doesn't work. A properly prepared homeopathic solution is literally just water. At best it has a placebo effect, so you might as well claim that sugar pills or tap water works, at worst it replaces actual treatments.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:40 pm

DrEvil » 21 Feb 2021 20:48 wrote:Just one thing:

yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”


It is the very definition of pseudoscience. Homeopathy doesn't work. A properly prepared homeopathic solution is literally just water. At best it has a placebo effect, so you might as well claim that sugar pills or tap water works, at worst it replaces actual treatments.


Do you base this proclamation on your rigorous review of all of the available scientific evidence or on your notion of what makes common sense?

Because your "science-based" certainty about this sounds exactly like an early 20th century Darwinist deriding epigenetics to me.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:43 pm

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Some more worthwhile excerpts from the prior link I shared:

https://tessa.substack.com/p/pandemic-panopticon


...as far as the germ theory vs. terrain, I am not qualified to say what’s what. I have an intuitive peasant theory about this but that’s obviously a mere theory. I suspect that just like we shed RNA-carrying bits currently defined as exosomes, we also pick them up from others, or from the air. To get more metaphorical, it’s like emotions, which we either “generate” or “pick up.” Perhaps those RNA-carrying bits are another way to communicate, a language that could express beauty or be a scream for help. And just like the people who have been traumatized and really need help may act aggressive and pass on the trauma, people whose bodies are out of tune in general or not designed to interact harmoniously with a particular RNA-carrying bit, react to it dramatically. Or breed those things and pass them on. And just like something that’s good or innocent for one living being can be deadly for another, same thing here. An equation with lots of variables and a result that gets decided in real time. Conclusion: trying to stay generally healthy, in good spirits, connected to the community, and in touch with common sense is good no matter what. Peasant wisdom!

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Do you believe that no matter what, it helps to invest in one’s health, including a robust immune system?

YES

Do you believe that Big Pharma would rather have you depend on their most expensive products than possess a healthy, free natural immunity?

YES

Do you believe that you live in a country where government officials would never betray own citizens?

Such a country would be great but it does not exist, outside of maybe some smaller indigenous nations.

Do you believe that there are effective COVID treatments?

It sure seems like it. (See the extensive list of references.)

Do you believe that there has been an unusual effort to restrict or ban effective treatments?

Heartbreaking..

Do you believe that the PCR tests currently in use are a functional diagnostic tool?

IF the test is looking for a correctly isolated virus, and IF the cycle threshold is set correctly, and IF the test is evaluated alongside the symptoms, then probably it is useful. However, the ones in use today are bad, bad, bad. Theranos is green with envy!

First, to the best of my understanding of the topic, the current PCR tests are looking for a a synthetically generated sequence, not the isolated virus or even a piece of it.

Second, the cycles threshold is set way too high, and it’s been known since Spring. The test detects any kind of debris of whatever it is looking for—while having a piece of debris in your system, simply because it’s out there and you have breathed it in, doesn’t make you sick or infectious. You can’t even grow a culture out of it in many cases (but you can definitely grow a bacterial feast out of what’s on the inside of the mask that you wear as a healthy person… hello bacterial pneumonia on the rise).

Just recently, the flaws of the PCR were finally admitted by the WHO—to the by now familiar sound of crickets in the media— and earlier, this has been stated by Fauci himself. The crickets loved it.

On a side note, all of us have cancer cells in our systems at all times (and when we are healthy, our immune systems gets rid of them very quickly). It doesn’t mean we need to be in perpetual chemotherapy.


Do you believe that asymptomatic spread is an important vector?

In the entire history of modern science, asymptomatic people have never been considered a significant vector of spreading respiratory viruses. Never ever. Fauci said it himself. Furthermore, massive studies done specifically on this coronavirus confirmed it, to the—you guessed it—familiar sound of crickets in the media. Evidently, people need to carry a sufficient viral load to shed the virus (which usually invokes an immune response, which is expressed as symptoms).

Sometimes there is a distinction between asymptomatic (healthy person, possibly with a meaningless positive PCR test) and presymptomatic (no symptoms now but will develop soon). Two things to note. One, “people with no symptoms” have still never been proven a significant vector when it comes to respiratory viruses. Two—and this is more nuanced—based on the opinion of the doctors I talked to, “presymptomatic” is more like “subtle symptoms,” i.e. the person feels tired, cranky, or the body hurts a little bit, and so on. Unfortunately, due to pollution and unhealthy lifestyles, there are so few truly and fully healthy people today that being cranky or achy could be many people “normal” state. So, let’s dream big. What do we do to improve the bottom line? Stop polluting? Significantly cut the use of electronic devices (and NOT build more towers built on a technology that has never been tested for long-term health impact)? Unfortunately, natural health and cutting the use of electronic devices are the opposite of what our corporate masters want, so they would rather muddy the waters, weaken our natural immunity with stress and the disruption of social fabric—and meanwhile, really ramp up the building of said cell towers, which they have been doing enthusiastically since the beginning of the pandemic, lockdown or not (more screentime and digital surveillance, poorer health, and digital dependency, yay!)

Do you believe that masks in healthy people prevent the spread of respiratory viruses?

Umm no, it is not what I believe, and this is not a principle. I was open-minded about it (and still am if the science presents itself at last) and wore a mask nearly religiously in spring, despite my doctor friends’ advice and the fact that my nose could distinctly smell the liquor that one homeless guy had consumed before passing by me, while I was obediently standing in line in a mask. Today, wear it where I have to but I rather resent the S&M.

Evidence-based science does not support the usefulness of mask-wearing by general population (please see the mile-long list of articles and studies at the end), and the propaganda that we have been bombarded with can happily compete with Nazi Germany. And the moral angle? Dear God. Framing the act of trusting science, one’s brain, and instincts as “being selfish and antisocial”—and framing naive obedience to propaganda as “compassion” is just like wow (see this “study”: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6920305377) .

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Do you believe that prolonged closure of small businesses or lockdowns are justified?

Again, unfortunately, we are in the midst of an attempt at a massive social, economic, and cultural reform. What’s being attempted, unfortunately, is a controlled demolition of the world’s economy and culture as we know it, I am sorry. I wish it weren’t the case! But their goal is to create the kind of corporate control of everything where only the richest ones make the products that most people use: patented lab-grown food, robotic agriculture, online education, patented AI medicine, everybody living in rented spaces (that are, however, owned by somebody), robotic relationships, and so on. So of course small businesses and farms are being butchered, that’s the point! Amazon’s Whole Foods is open, Target is open, Walmart is open… it’s the small businesses that are being taken out of the market.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:43 am

stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:40 am wrote:
DrEvil » 21 Feb 2021 20:48 wrote:Just one thing:

yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”


It is the very definition of pseudoscience. Homeopathy doesn't work. A properly prepared homeopathic solution is literally just water. At best it has a placebo effect, so you might as well claim that sugar pills or tap water works, at worst it replaces actual treatments.


Do you base this proclamation on your rigorous review of all of the available scientific evidence or on your notion of what makes common sense?

Because your "science-based" certainty about this sounds exactly like an early 20th century Darwinist deriding epigenetics to me.


I based it on the fact that a proper homeopathic solution is just water, and the several large studies concluding that it's just placebo effects.

The mechanism by which it supposedly works breaks the known laws of physics. If you're going to claim that water has borderline magical properties unknown to science then a random link to Google Scholar (which includes a bunch of predatory journals that will print literally anything as long as the authors pay for the privilege) is not very convincing. Extraordinary claims etc.

There's also the whole stupidity of 'water memory'. Somehow the water remembers the beneficial ingredients the homeopaths put in it before beating it with their magic stick, but not the sewers it's been through, or the toxic landfills it fell on before seeping down into the groundwater, or that lovely summer it spent as coolant in a nuclear reactor.

Also, all the homeopathy enthusiasts are missing one very obvious thing: if it really worked it would have been gobbled up, patented and sold at stupid prices by big pharma long ago.
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