Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[dada]

What are the chances that some giant corporations will temporarily waive the intellectual property rights on some vaccines? Odds on that can't be very good.

But l say they do it. Anyone else want to bet?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wow, the situation in India looks really bad. As in potentially worse than it’s been in any region since this all started. I imagine it’s getting more coverage internationally than Brazil has as of late (Indian families in the UK etc). People dying on the street in front of hospitals, not enough basic medical supplies, to say nothing of available beds and nurses. Massive undercounting of cases and deaths, basically all the worst results of this coming to fruition.

“Not that bad” of a virus though right?

What am I missing here?

Is there any evidence that death rates are any higher in India right now than they were in the USA a couple of months ago? I am just wondering about this. I have no idea where to obtain the best available data on the COVID-19 death rates (or that average age of all COVID-19 related deaths) in India? Do you?

You could contact the people who are organising cremations at a rate of ten times a day higher than the governments official death figures and ask them what they think.

[Joe Hillshoist]

He has a busy, productive life. He's not expendable. He's not up for sacrifice to the alter of "liberty."

Who is suggesting any such thing here, or frankly, in most venues? This continues to be a poor strawman argument, a distortion, and also a continued ignorance of the core issues in contention since 2020.


Also, those that continue to passively accept establishment narratives, figures, or Google/Network News feeds on covid, more than 12 months in -- within this forum no less -- are not worthy of another [wasted] typed word.

Proceed with whatever storylines help pacify you. Good luck with it.

Speaking of government narratives... apparently Twitter has banned criticism of the Indian Government's covid response. Probably cos everything is a beat up and the place is going great guns...

[stickdog99]

What are the chances that some giant corporations will temporarily waive the intellectual property rights on some vaccines? Odds on that can't be very good.

But l say they do it. Anyone else want to bet?

[stickdog99]

Wow, the situation in India looks really bad. As in potentially worse than it’s been in any region since this all started. I imagine it’s getting more coverage internationally than Brazil has as of late (Indian families in the UK etc). People dying on the street in front of hospitals, not enough basic medical supplies, to say nothing of available beds and nurses. Massive undercounting of cases and deaths, basically all the worst results of this coming to fruition.

“Not that bad” of a virus though right?

What am I missing here?

Is there any evidence that death rates are any higher in India right now than they were in the USA a couple of months ago? I am just wondering about this. I have no idea where to obtain the best available data on the COVID-19 death rates (or that average age of all COVID-19 related deaths) in India? Do you?

You could contact the people who are organising cremations at a rate of ten times a day higher than the governments official death figures and ask them what they think.

OK. Who?

[stickdog99]

He has a busy, productive life. He's not expendable. He's not up for sacrifice to the alter of "liberty."

Who is suggesting any such thing here, or frankly, in most venues? This continues to be a poor strawman argument, a distortion, and also a continued ignorance of the core issues in contention since 2020.


Also, those that continue to passively accept establishment narratives, figures, or Google/Network News feeds on covid, more than 12 months in -- within this forum no less -- are not worthy of another [wasted] typed word.

Proceed with whatever storylines help pacify you. Good luck with it.

Speaking of government narratives... apparently Twitter has banned criticism of the Indian Government's covid response. Probably cos everything is a beat up and the place is going great guns...

Or maybe because corrupt governments still have some power over big tech corporations in some nations?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Meanwhile, in Illinois:






But lockdowns are good, right?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-C ... -hy5q/data

[DrEvil]

My 84-year-old American friend living in India flew to the US for vaccination, and considering the latest developments, has decided not to return to India quite yet.

I know he's just an old man who's "going to die anyway" but I think his decision is the correct one. He has a busy, productive life. He's not expendable. He's not up for sacrifice to the alter of "liberty."

How selfish of him!

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wow, the situation in India looks really bad. As in potentially worse than it’s been in any region since this all started. I imagine it’s getting more coverage internationally than Brazil has as of late (Indian families in the UK etc). People dying on the street in front of hospitals, not enough basic medical supplies, to say nothing of available beds and nurses. Massive undercounting of cases and deaths, basically all the worst results of this coming to fruition.

“Not that bad” of a virus though right?

What am I missing here?

Is there any evidence that death rates are any higher in India right now than they were in the USA a couple of months ago? I am just wondering about this. I have no idea where to obtain the best available data on the COVID-19 death rates (or that average age of all COVID-19 related deaths) in India? Do you?

You could contact the people who are organising cremations at a rate of ten times a day higher than the governments official death figures and ask them what they think.

OK. Who?

I dunno google cremations in India.

I heard that via a family friend.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Some added perspective on India --

(of course, "confirmed covid deaths" also include deaths by other primary causes)


Correlation? At a minimum, testing positive shortly after taking a shot is not anomalous.



The message managers understand that as the flu has long since left the northern hemisphere they require a fear narrative to sustain the hysteria throughout the summer until the flu season arrives again in late autumn:



The sheep can now go back to their regularly-scheduled programming.

Yes, I typed 'sheep'. Those that subscribe to token narratives deserve no better.

[dada]

So, in the narrative you subscribe to, those who don't subscribe to your narrative, are sheep.

I think it may just be a way to shield your narrative from criticism. Saying that those who don't subscribe to it are sheep is like sticking the fingers in the ears. Fear that other interpretations of reality may make yours irrelevant.

[DrEvil]

I think you just described religion. Just replace sheep with heathens (or heathen sheep).

[Belligerent Savant]

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What's the narrative I subscribe to?

So I'm attempting to shield myself from criticism, eh? If that's my goal, I've failed. Part of the reason we're at almost 170 pages is precisely due to criticisms with my takes -- the latter of which, by the way, turned out to be largely spot-on (subject to perpetual change, of course).

I agree: the facile "because science!" crowd* is indeed a new form of religion for the aspiring humanists and 'forward thinkers'. Cannon fodder.

*which is decidedly and largely based on passive consumption of propaganda rather than actual science


Edit: corrected for Herr Dada

[dada]

It's a narrative which interprets current events through a globalist illuminati conspiracy lens.

I know you meant that your takes turned out to be spot-on, but by the way you phrased it, it looks like you've said that the criticisms of your takes are spot-on.

[stickdog99]

It's a narrative which interprets current events through a globalist illuminati conspiracy lens.

I know you meant that your takes turned out to be spot-on, but by the way you phrased it, it looks like you've said that the criticisms of your takes are spot-on.

Do totalitarian leaders exist in your favored paradigm? Have any ever actually existed in world history? From what I can gather, they do in that they are sustained and succored by anyone who tries to fight against them. But otherwise they are merely pawns who are just trying their best to play their (necessary?) role in a greater drama well beyond their control. Have I got that right?