by JackRiddler » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:05 pm
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Yes, iam, but remember this goes by state. It is now illegal and criminal (sometimes with incredible penalties!) in those states that have already passed laws to automatically render it illegal as soon as the SC decides to overturn Roe, as it did in the ruling issued today. Other states may now pass laws to do the same. Otherwise it remains legal in New York (I mention as my own state) and, for now, about 30 other states (I think) where the majority of U.S. people live.
Very fucked up. Human beings commandeered into forced breeders on the command of a state, at pain of potential life imprisonment if they do not comply (or are found to have visited another state for the procedure). Why? Because of a pretty much invented religious doctrine forced on the majority who do not subscribe to it, in violation of separation of church and state. (Of course it shouldn't matter whether it's a majority or minority who don't share this belief.) Of course, also because of other motives that can be summed up as patriarchy and an atavistic understanding of capitalism as demanding natalism.
It's kind of an ultimate in violating freedom and rights, yet it's not something that's taken too seriously by many on this board, unfortunately. I've seen more than a few posts recently along the lines that some "debate" about abortion is just part of stoking up "culture war" to "artificially" divide "us." By that logic, it's suspect to even mention such Democratic-oriented trivia as abortion rights, because it hurts the theocratic fanatics who might otherwise become our essential allies against the real Big Bads of finance and imperialism, etc.
In keeping with that idea, there were those who were more interested in the source of the leak last month, knowing, just knowing by the magic POOMA method, that it could not be an angry intern, or perhaps Alito himself looking to defuse the anger in advance. No, it had to be, could only be, the product of a high-level mastermind conspiracy seeking to divide "us" along these useless culture-war lines.
And of course this echoes the right-wing damage-control against the popular anger caused by the news that Roe was about to be overturned, which was to try to distract by making the leak (of something that predictably became official a month later) into the main issue. The leak, in fact, was supposed to be some kind of ephochal violation, far greater than the violation of the rights of 170 million women. (Tangentially, I remembered, as I often do, that 10 years ago this board was awash in posts about how Assange had to be one of THEM since the Wikileaks leaks weren't magically satisfying everyone's desire to hear confirmation of one's preferred conspiracy, and therefore must have been cooked up wholesale as distraction or limited hangout, etc. etc.)
Also, I saw some sophistry along the lines of golly gee, person X could have been aborted and look at what a remarkable and worthy life they lived! Which is Hollywood stuff, because it could be true of ANYONE, anyone at all. It's completely arbitrary which story is constructed and presented as worth telling as if it is making a meaningful general point. (Golly gee, person X could have been run over... bombed by drone... died from this disease or that cause of malnutrition... etc. etc. For that matter, Golly gee, mass murderer Y could have been aborted thus saving all those lives... etc. etc.) Totally irrelevant to the issue. Sentimentalist religion-tinged bullshit, in some cases perhaps presented by those who don't have the balls to just say that they really are thinking, no, women should not have bodily autonomy, their wombs should be under the control of their men and/or the state.
The issue is about bodily autonomy and it is as fundamental as or more fundamental than anything else that has ever been seen as belonging to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The fact is that none of the currently 90+ percent boys on this forum condemning Covid vaccine mandates (as they SHOULD, by the way, no false binaries here) would, if they were female but otherwise basically the same fellows, see this as anything other than far worse, especially if they were of child-bearing age. Forced breeding is the most egregious conceivable violation this side of chattel slavery, the Guantanamo treatment, or straight-up murder. In addition, the revocation of rights is to be perpetrated on the majority of humans within these jurisdictions, but somehow this is supposed to be some kind of specialized interest.
[added after cross post with kelley] It's more like the fifteenth or 25th step, at this point. How do we not see Bush v. Gore as the granddaddy? Absolutely anything goes, after that travesty. Buckley v. Valeo was back in the 1970s, setting up the nuclear bomb version that is Citizens United in 2011 or so. The voting rights act was largely gutted by the Roberts court about 10 years ago. Yes, paradoxically, they can sometimes find against the trend, as with the gay marriage ruling, but there's no doubt where the preponderance of the direction lies. All kinds of voter suppression and gerrymandering moves have been accepted by courts, though some have been rejected. As you may know, this court just in the last couple of days finished off Miranda. A lower court just found that anti-BDS laws are constitutional. How do you think that and all the other new censorship laws are going to do, once they get to the highest court?
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