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Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby OnoI812 » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:28 am

Remember that World can't wait volunteer who was putting up antiwar posters last January when a cop stopped her and made her remove them, but decided to push her face in the gutter instead?<br><br>Well their trying to saddle her with some charges today.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Cleveland Women Arrested And Charged With Two Felonies Related To Putting Up Anti-Bush Posters</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.arcticbeacon.com/1-Apr-2006.html">www.arcticbeacon.com/1-Apr-2006.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Carol Fisher, 50, was brutalized by Cleveland Heights Police, charged with two felonies and handcuffed to a hospital bed after trying to put up a "Bush Step Down" poster on a telephone pole. Even when she agreed to take the posters down, officers felt it was better to manhandle her in an act of outright police abuse and brutality.<br>1 Apr 2006<br><br>By Greg Szymanski<br><br>Carol Fisher left her Cleveland home early one morning to put up some anti-Bush posters on a busy downtown street. She never returned, being jailed after a run-in with police.<br><br>Instead of being allowed to peacefully express views, Fisher claims she was brutalized by Cleveland Heights police, charged with two counts of felony assault and held incommunicado under police custody in the hospital<br><br>The incident occurred Jan. 28 and the case is set for pre-trial hearing Monday on the 21st floor of the Justice Center in Cleveland Heights at 9 a.m..<br><br>"This outrage and others like it must be exposed and opposed by all who hate the direction that the Bush regime is taking this country and the world," said Fisher in a long email Friday, seeking support and detailing her story. "Most likely, the case will go to trial this Monday, April 3. Your support will make a strong statement that people are not going along with this "new normalcy" of intimidation and repression."<br><br>"As it says in the Call, If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we are NOT going to stop...The future is unwritten. Which one we get is up to us."<br><br>And Fisher's run-in with authorities is just another example of the long line of cases piling up across America showing the "real live day to day" lock down on freedom of speech and the use of police as the gestapo arm of the fascist Bush administration<br><br>In Fisher's case, why does a incident involving posting a "Bush Step Down" poster have to lead to violence? Obviously, in this case, law enforcement tempers were "boiling hot" and their ability to treat citizens as "friends not enemies" came through with flying colors.<br><br>Just ask Fisher, an employee of Revolution Bookstore in Cleveland, now facing jail time on felony charges: This is her detailed account of what happened the morning she tried to put up anti-Bush posters:<br><br> "I had set out from my house with a full agenda, to contact lots of people and get out materials about our upcoming Cleveland event to Drown Out the State of the Union address, and the call to march around the White House on Feb. 4th. My first stop was the an area known for its community of artists and progressives, where I stapled up posters for blocks and was greeted warmly by those who saw and appreciated what World Cant Wait is doing. I talked to an artist, and a Palestinian store owner who took fliers to distribute to customers.<br><br>"Next stop, to the east side. I drove down a street in Cleveland Heights, another area known for its diversity and progressive history. This street was badly in need of postering too and though i was in a big hurry, I couldn't drive on without getting up a few signs. Before long a cop called from across the street: "Ma'am! Hundred dollar fine for doing that!" Oh really, since when? Another way of keeping us from getting the word out, eh?<br><br>"But not wanting to get arrested, I said ok and put up my staplegun and walked away. But that wasn't the end of it. "Ma'am! Hundred dollar fine unless you take those posters down." He is pursuing me across the street. Damn! OK fine, I say, I will take them down (not wanting to get into a confrontation, because I have lots to do today!) But this too is not enough for the cop. He wants my ID. I say I don't have my ID. He grabs my arm. I say let go of me, I am not doing anything wrong, I will take the posters down. People are watching to see what happens, are outraged but very afraid. The cop wont let go, he clearly wants more grief from me, and he is in the spotlight. He wants people to be scared. He pushes me against a store window and next thing I know I am face down on the sidewalk with two cops on top of me, one with his knee in my back. I am trying to call out to people, to tell them what the posters are about.<br><br> "They keep pushing my face into the sidewalk. I cant breathe. I have osteoradionecrosis in my jaw, resulting from radiation treatments for cancer. My jawbone is slowly deteriorating, is very fragile, and doesn't heal well. I am 53 years old, not exactly a spring chicken. A hand comes down again to push my chin against the concrete. By this time there are four cops on the scene. My hands are tightly cuffed behind my back. They lift me up and shove me onto a park bench and shackle my legs. I am still calling out, telling people what this is about. One of the cops says to me, "Shut up or I will kill you!", "I am sick of this anti-Bush shit!" "You are definitely going to the psyche ward." Then somebody calls the EMS, and a fire squad shows up.<br><br> "The cop supervisor appears and puts his finger in my face: "I don't like it when people treat my men like this and if you don't obey the law you will suffer the consequences." I am lifted into the EMS truck, hands still cuffed behind my back. I ask to make a call and this is refused, but a fireman offers to make a quick call for me. If not for this, no one would have known where I was or what was happening, a fate shared by many immigrants in this country. At the hospital, I am treated as an arch-criminal. Escorted by four policemen, I shuffle into the emergency room, legs still shackled, covered with leaves and mud. I think to myself, if I was Black, I would not have made it this far. I would probably be dead by now."<br><br>According to the facts of the case, through Fisher's attorney, she clearly wanted to obey officers in taking down the signs, but it appears hot tempered officers wanted to arrest her anyway.<br><br>In recent developments, the prosecution has refused to drop charges in return for a promise to seek charges against the officers for brutality. As a counter, Fisher has refused to accept a reduction to a misdemeanor, saying she did nothing wrong.<br><br>"The facts show that I was willing to take the posters down as the officer requested. But I was arrested anyway. Yet the prosecution intends to distort the facts and police still promote the lie that I was arrested because I refused to comply, and attacked them," said Fisher.<br><br>"The real point here is, there need to be more posters all over the place demanding an end to the Bush Regime! The facts clear and simple: I was wrongly arrested and assaulted for putting up anti-Bush posters. I was further punished for defying them. What about my injuries, trauma, intimidation, a threat on my life, being labeled a crazy wildcat, held incommunicado for six hours, forced to undress in front of four male policemen, and now the loss of my job? And most of all, what about the fact that all this happened because I put up a poster calling for active opposition to the Bush Regime!"<br><br>Editor's Note: Anyone interested in helping Fisher or attending her hearing Monday in Cleveland can email her at infor@worldcantwait.org. Or if you want to voice your concern directly to authorities call William B. Mason, County Prosecutor, at216-443-7800, Judge Timothy McGinty at 216-443-8758 or Cleveland Heights Law Director John at 216 291-5775.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:06 pm

Get this info elsewhere. Greg Szymanski is a disinfo artist embracing things like 9/11 with his discrediting stink.<br><br>ArcticBeacon links to holocaust deniers.<br><br>I'm sure that this story is meant to act as a carrier wave to get their disinfo stink smeared all around the anti-war activist internet.<br><br>If this woman's story is real, it deserves to be taken out of the hands of the internet cointelpro to do her and 'the movement ' justice.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby OnoI812 » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 pm

This particular story is indeed real.<br>If you want me to, I'll find the docket # for you .<br>I got it from Articbeacon because I was checking for the <br>followup to the Baumgartner court appearance and rearrest , which is <br>also indeed real, Greg has provided a platform for these little <br>known stories, these particular stories have <br>NOTHING,ZERO,NADA<br>to do with holocaust denial, or who this host links to... If <br>you're so concerned about the legitmacy of their causes being <br>sullied by the host, perhaps you should invite them on your own show? <br><br>Maybe you ought to write these poor victims of the injustice system and alert them that they are holocaust deniers by default?<br>I wonder how they would react to that?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:09 pm

Sorry, I don't mean to point fingers at anyone other than disinfo artists like Szymanski so don't take it personally.<br>Dreams End here at RI would be wagging his finger at me and saying "see, I told you so. Messengers do matter."<br><br>(I've gotten reamed by Dreams End twice for pointing at the info that EIR plus Chaitkin and Tarpley work on due to their association with a nasty old homophobe named Larouche.)<br><br> I agree that there is information too important to suppress because of guilt-by-association issues. So I'm not saying suppress the info, we just need to find another messenger and not enable disinfo virus carriers.<br><br>This story is very important but Arctic Beacon and Szymanski need to be avoided because the internet is filling up with discrediting agents hijacking truth issues.<br><br>See 'Morgan no planes on 9/11 Reynolds.'<br><br>But that said, thanks for posting this because it is important.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:11 pm

CriKes ...<br>Thanks for posting this, Ono1812 ...<br>It just twists my stomach inna gut;<br><br>"I can't stand it when people treat my officers like this"<br><br>The four officers and their chief deserve to spend a year in jail for assault -- How utterly perverse, this mindset among anyone but especially those who are supposed to PROTECT the public, that thinks violence against anyone they take a personal dislike to, for whatever reason, is just fine, they 'deserve' it ...<br><br>I despair at the climate of apathy that has made so much of the public complicit with allowing this poison of unreason to infect them -- don't know, don't care --<br><br>The cops have become sell-outs to a corrupt bureaucracy that perpetuates injsutice, and they react by assaulting those who speak out. It's insane.<br><br>What happens when even the tainted sources no longer report outrages?<br><br>Hugh -- why should I read Morgan no planes?<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:18 am

No matter how thin you pour the pancake, there are always two sides. I'd like to at least hear the other side. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:51 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Brutalized & Arrested in Cleveland for Posting "Bush Step Down" Posters PDF Print E-mail<br><br>The following is a first-hand account of police harrassment and brutality against a World Can't Wait organizer in Cleveland. If anything like this happens to you, let us know asap! Contact info@worldcantwait.org. <br><br>My name is Carol Fisher, and I am on the staff of Revolution Books in Cleveland OH. At the bookstore we have been immersed in building and supporting the initiatives of World Cant Wait. Yesterday, 1.28.06, while putting "Bush Step Down" posters on telephone poles along a major thoroughfare on a sunny Saturday afternoon, I was brutalized by Cleveland Heights police, charged with 2 counts of felony assault and held incommunicado under police custody in the hospital! This outrage and others like it must be exposed and opposed by all who hate the direction that the Bush regime is taking this country and the world.<br><br>Here is what happened:<br><br>I had set out from my house with a full agenda, to contact lots of people and get out materials about our upcoming Cleveland event to Drown Out the State of the Union address, and the call to march around the White House on Feb. 4th. My first stop was the an area known for its community of artists and progressives, where I stapled up posters for blocks and was greeted warmly by those who saw and appreciated what World Cant Wait is doing. I talked to an artist, and a Palestinian store owner who took fliers to distribute to customers.<br><br>Next stop, to the east side. I drove down a street in Cleveland Heights, another area known for its diversity and progressive history. This street was badly in need of postering too and though i was in a big hurry, I couldnt drive on without getting up a few signs. Before long a cop called from across the street: "Ma'am! Hundred dollar fine for doing that!" Oh really, since when? Another way of keeping us from getting the word out, eh? But not wanting to get arrested, I said ok and put up my staplegun and walked away. But that wasnt the end of it. "Ma'am! Hundred dollar fine unless you take those posters down." He is pursuing me across the street. Damn! OK fine, I say, I will take them down (not wanting to get into a confrontation, because I have lots to do today!) But this too is not enough for the cop. He wants my ID. I say I dont have my ID. He grabs my arm. I say let go of me, I am not doing anything wrong, I will take the posters down. People are watching to see what happens, are outraged but very afraid. The cop wont let go, he clearly wants more grief from me, and he is in the spotlight. He wants people to be scared. He pushes me against a store window and next thing I know I am face down on the sidewalk with two cops on top of me, one with his knee in my back. I am trying to call out to people, to tell them what the posters are about. They keep pushing my face into the sidewalk. I cant breathe.<br><br>I have osteoradionecrosis in my jaw, resulting from radiation treatments for cancer. My jawbone is slowly deteriorating, is very fragile, and doesnt heal well. I am 53 years old, not exactly a spring chicken. A hand comes down again to push my chin against the concrete. By this time there are four cops on the scene. My hands are tightly cuffed behind my back. They lift me up and shove me onto a parkbench and shackle my legs. I am still calling out, telling people what this is about. One of the cops says to me, "Shut up or I will kill you!", "I am sick of this anti-Bush shit!" "You are definitely going to the psyche ward." Then somebody calls the EMS, and a fire squad shows up. The cop superviser appears and puts his finger in my face: "I dont like it when people treat my men like this and if you don't obey the law you will suffer the consequences."<br><br>I am lifted into the EMS truck, hands still cuffed behind my back. I ask to make a call and this is refused, but a fireman offers to make a quick call for me. If not for this, no one would have known where I was or what was happening, a fate shared by many immigrants in this country. At the hospital, I am treated as an arch-criminal. Escorted by four policemen, I shuffle into the emergency room, legs still shackled, covered with leaves and mud. I think to myself, if I was Black, I would not have made it this far. I would probably be dead by now. People in the emergency room are shocked by the scene and by what I am saying happened. I probably do look pretty crazy by now.<br><br>They put me on a gurney and pull the curtains around. One female nurse and four male cops. They want me to undress in front of the cops. I refuse. The cops refuse to leave. Finally the nurse shields my body with a gown as I undress and put on hospital clothes. I am cuffed to the bed, and two cops remain guarding me the whole time. They put in an IV. I have no idea what they have in mind. Questions, probes, tests and a tetanus shot, a hint from the nurses that friends are calling to find out whats going on. First they say that one friend is coming in to see me, but that never happens.<br><br>After many hours a psychiatrist appears to determine my sanity. I dont want to talk to him, but have no choice. "This information is confidential", I say. Well yes, he says, but if the police want the information, I don't know if I can refuse... "This information is confidential", I repeat, and I tell him, there are times when you have to decide which side you are on. I have told him why I have wound up here and what they did to me, and I tell him, this is a moment in history when people have to stand firm against these repressive measures. He replies, "Fair enough", and proceeds to write a detailed record of my injuries.<br><br>I dont know it at the time, but outside in the waiting room all hell had broken loose. In a very short period of time, over a dozen WCW people showed up at the emergency room to demand that someone be allowed to see me. The WCW people discussed what was happening with the folks waiting in the ER, who were horrified at what was happening, and very supportive when they were shown the posters I had been putting up. The police and hospital staff claimed over and over that the police were in charge of me, and they determine what happens, not the doctors! Another example of a police state.<br><br>At one point, there was a big confrontation between the WCW people and the police, right in the ER. My supporters said that we weren't going to leave until someone saw me. Some of them were sitting in the waiting room holding the big green WCW posters.<br><br>The main cop tried to have a "private conversation" with the person with medical power of attorney. " NO! Come out here in the open where we can all hear!" As people gathered to listen to the conversation, and enter in their own opinions, the police threatened WCW folks with arrest! They argued, stood their ground, called this shameful (both to the police but also to the nurses who did nothing to stand against this shit). The cops kept saying that there was no legal right to see me, but people responded that, in Bush's America, the law is whatever the police say it is and that there is a moral and ethical right to to check on someone who is in the hospital.<br><br>Then a large phalanx of cops came. My friends pushed it as far as they could, then marched out of the ER, followed by the cops, all the way up to the street. 4 more people showed up who'd heard about what was happening and wanted to help.<br><br>A lawyer and a doctor, who are endorsers of the WCW Call, persisted in getting what info they could. All the while, people were calling the local media (who never showed up!), calling in complaints to the Cleveland Heights Police Department, and Cleveland Heights City Hall. I was never able to be seen by my own nurse or doctor or communicate by phone with anyone.<br><br>Shortly after being released from the hospital, I was released on my own recognizance. The battle is far from over. This is but one example of the attempts that the state, their authorities and spokespeople will make to try to keep us from opposing the crimes of this regime, and especially now, 2 days before the State of the Union address. Our cause is as righteous as it gets, and no attempts to intimidate or suppress, with threats or laws or physical abuse, should stop us but instead strengthen the resolve, build our organization and further demonstrate to the world that this regime is doomed, they are vicious, and they must be stopped.<br><br>As it says in the Call, "If we speak the turh, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Sush and we are NOT going to stop...The future is unwritten. Which one we get is up to us."<br><br>There are plans in the works for possibly a press conference, suing the Cleveland Heights Police Department, taking this issue of brutality to the Cleveland Heights City Council Meeting on Feb 6, doing a press conference, and circulating a pledge of medical personnel to not allow medical treatment to be run by the police. We will also be working with lawyers to fight these outrageous charges. If any legal aid could be offered nationally, it would really help.<br><br>Call the Cleveland Heights Police at 216-291-3883<br><br>Call Cleveland Heights City Hall at 216-291-4444<br><br>Please contact us at cleveland@worldcantwait.org or 216-633-6200<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=842&Itemid=184">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I have no reason to doubt this particular story, and the details provided are pretty specific, but you should know that World Can't Wait is a project of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP). If you don't know about them, imagine Ramsey Clark's ANSWER (a project of the Worker's World Party) only more committed to violence and disruption of the work of other leftists. They put the "pro" in COINTELPRO. Whether they put the "bop" in the "bop-she-bop-she-bop" has yet to be determined.<br><br>That said, their activists (surely most of whom are very committed), don't deserve this treatment. And while they tend to provoke violent police responses (there's a whole cottage industry of that here in the US. There are some tiny left groups that ONLY seem to do this, and only at Klan rallies. But I digress) I see nothing in the story that suggests this was the case here.<br><br>Still, proceed with caution. I'll provide the links to show that RCP and WCW are the same if anyone needs them. Pretty easy to do if you want a little Google practice. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 4/3/06 10:51 pm<br></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:07 am

Starman Skye asked why I cited-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>See 'Morgan no planes on 9/11 Reynolds.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Morgan Reynolds is a disinfo front man on 9/11.<br>His website is written in the language of a 25 year-old and 'he' is pushing the idea that there were NO planes involved on 9/11 to up the ante of 'what hit the Pentagon.'<br><br>Another disinfo front man is Scott Stevens fronting weatherwars.com to poison the well on global warming and climate change.:rolleyes<br><br>Szymanski recently ran a disinfo article poisoning the well on Wall Street's financing of the Nazi Party and suggested that Prescott Bush was really the son of Tesla's accountant as told by an old Nazi who was thought to have died in Hitler's bunker but didn't.<br><br>Grrrr... <p></p><i></i>
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Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:56 am

Chiggerbit wanted 'the other side' -- the least I could do (in the interest of fairness).<br><br>I'm aware of a severe problem with abuse-of-authority, rascism, gratuitous violence and related issues of poor police-public relations in many cities, aggravated by pressure on officers to supplement city revenue by writing tickets -- with incentives via commendations, bonuses, promotions and merit awards -- and that results in resentments and loss of respect by the (typically) working-class public.<br><br>While I tended to take Carol Fisher at her word and give her the benefit of doubt, since police violence has actually become common at political free speech and protest venues, I have to admit there were a coupla things that just didn't seem right. Now, it may be that Carol WAS way out-of-line by playing the police-brutality victim according to an alleged witness, anyway. No way to confirm one way of the other -- at least the witness's story is self-consistent and credible (tho his quip, "If she didn't do anything, why would she NEED Legal aid?" reveals a profound ignorance of how immigrants and misc. 'suspects' and political prisoners have been and are being treated under Bush's et al Perpetual War Police State --which shows the witness may not be so objective and value-neutral after all. Certainly his report of Carol ignoring the officer and then falling to the ground unaided and attempting to kick or bite the officers explains her being subject to mental observation and forcefully restrained -- it makes a bit more sense than that 4 policemen had nothing better to do that morning than assault an-antiBush mom under full public view.<br><br>Carol may have been tempted with an opportunity for a little guerrilla theatre performance as a way to dramatize the struggle for justice and accountable govt.<br><br>Perhaps Carol really saw the face of the unnamed Beast in the policeman that day and thought she could help the cause along by promoting a dramaqueen spectacle?<br><br>I dunno.<br>Starman <br>******<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.brewedfreshdaily.com/2006/02/16/heightsmom-arrested-for-hanging-a-poster/">www.brewedfreshdaily.com/...-a-poster/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Mark B Says: <br><br>February 26th, 2006 at 11:24 pm <br>First, yes it is illegal in Cleveland Heights to post any type of advertisement on utility poles. It is called posting handbills and there are several laws on the books prohibiting it. If Carol Fisher was not ignorant to the law in the first place, she could have avoided this whole situation. Secondly, I did observe this confrontation first hand. I had just left Subway with my young son and had watched Carol Fisher staple several posters on both sides of telephone poles in front of the store. About this time I heard a police officer call to her that she would face a fine if she didn’t take down the signs. Carol Fisher took another sign from her bag, and as to shove it in the face of the officer, stapled it up with authority. The police officer then asked Carol Fisher for her ID, and Carol Fisher started to walk away from him, he asked her several times. She began screaming in an attempt to draw attention, that she did nothing wrong and would not give her ID to the officer. The officer attempted to stop her by stepping in her way, Carol Fisher began to swing her arms wildly. The officer then called for another officer that was standing across the street. Carol Fisher began clawing at the officer’s face, and kicking him. Both officers then held her against the building. Both officers were telling Carol Fisher to stop resisting and just settle down. This woman was out of her mind, kicking, punching, and spitting. The woman then fell to the ground on her own, the officers actually tried to soften her fall by grabbing her coat. Carol Fisher laid face down with her hands interlocked so the police could not handcuff her. As one officer knelt on the ground, Carol Fisher tried to bite him in the face several times, and did get ahold of his shirt with her teeth. The police officer then told me to call 911 and tell police dispatch they needed help. More officers showed up and finally were able to control. These officers never struck, brutalized, or my favorite… abducted Carol Fisher. They were nothing short of professional. I had to post this real account of the “story” as I was sick and disgusted with all the false facts of this non news worthy story. I look forward to testifying against Carol Fisher in the above matter. I find it amusing that in Carol Fisher’s statement of what happened to her, her last comment is… any legal help would be greatly appreciated. If she did nothing wrong, why would she be trying to recruit national legal representation ? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This supposed eye-witness

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:34 am

This reads like total bullshit. This woman with a glass jaw was supposedly biting at cops like some kind of beserk land shark. Right.<br>This was written by a police lawyer, I'd say-<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>She began screaming in an attempt to draw attention, that she did nothing wrong and would not give her ID to the officer. The officer attempted to stop her by stepping in her way, Carol Fisher <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>began to swing her arms wildly.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The officer then called for another officer that was standing across the street. Carol Fisher <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>began clawing at the officer’s face, and kicking him.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Both officers then held her against the building. Both officers were telling Carol Fisher to stop resisting and just settle down. This woman was <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>out of her mind, kicking, punching, and spitting. The woman then fell to the ground on her own, the officers actually tried to soften her fall by grabbing her coat. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Carol Fisher laid face down with her hands interlocked so the police could not handcuff her. As one officer knelt on the ground, Carol Fisher <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>tried to bite him in the face several times</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and did get ahold of his shirt with her teeth.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This supposed eye-witness

Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:33 am

I'm neutral on this, but it's not impossible that the article SS posted is true. It is exactly like the sort of thing the RCP types would do, as I mentioned...and notice my post came before that witness statement, so it shows that there's some reason to think the witness is being truthful. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brownshirt Alert-arrested for antiwar posters:update

Postby OnoI812 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:44 am

No offense taken Hugh.<br><br>The problem is while this story could probably be found at World cant Wait.<br><br>The Feds have dismantled Baumgartners website and Greg seems to be at least giving her a voice.<br><br>I agree one needs to be choosey over there though. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Pancakes

Postby OnoI812 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:12 am

SS- Wow, hadn't heard much of this story since it first happened back in Jan, until I saw it yesterday.<br><br>After reading that I'll agree with DE, It is kind of a tough call.<br><br>Maybe I can add a little insight. CHPD have a reputation for being pretty thugish, but I'm 99% sure this happened on Coventry road, which Is known for it's free spirted young semi-urban crowd. There are handbills all over the place on that street(mostly for club acts, and art events). So BFD could be right about the situation as I think it happened on a Saturaday afternoon, And the CHPD likely wouldn't go overboard on a busy crowded street in the daylight revenue hours. Perhaps the thing that bothers me most is they injected her at the hospital against her will, and perhaps far worse would have happened had she not had a dozen people doing a mini protest in the hospital waiting room.<br><br>And BFD, I've only read his blog once before , he had some good reports on the former Cleveland mayor's double dealing Walmart shenanigans. But he seems to be a city council groupie so he may be quite capable of sucking up to the PTB.<br><br>Tough call...the truth probably lay somewhere in the middle.<br><br>Thanks for finding that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Pancakes

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:49 am

Wow, thanks Starman, I really appreciate your taking the time to look that up. Interesting. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Pancakes

Postby heath7 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:49 am

I have seen personally, as have many, the 'law' sit on the witness stand and lie as if they'd had ample practice at it. This coming after a night of officer brutality on a dark lonesome highway, among at least half a dozen officers where there were no objectors. <br><br>They don't call 'em pigs for nothing.<br><br>I'm sure the woman is dramatizing her story, but the witness statement does smack of the trained lies I heard in the courtroom that day. I am sure the woman knew better than to go overboard in the witness' described method. <p></p><i></i>
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