'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:56 pm

There is no political left; what appears like leftism today is BlackRock, the WEF, & the CIA engaged in "leftist" cosplay

The question is: Why is the ruling class trying to implement its agenda via this path?

I. The death of the political left

The political left died in stages and then all at once:

  • It died when communist workers’ parties went nationalist at the start of World War I and thus killed each other rather than saying no to bankers’ wars.
  • It died during the Moscow Show Trials from 1936 to 1938 that showed the grotesque extremes of Stalin’s Russia.
  • It died in 1968 when Soviet tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring thus revealing that the “reforms” of Khrushchev and Brezhnev were an illusion.
  • The Berlin Wall fell in 1989, the people in the Soviet satellite countries overthrew their rulers soon thereafter, and the Soviet Union itself dissolved in 1991.
  • Formerly left political parties across the developed world pivoted away from their founding principles. The Labor Party in Australia implemented neoliberalism in 1983. In 1992, Bill Clinton made neoliberalism the central ideology of the Democratic Party in the U.S. Tony Blair then copied this strategy in the U.K. from 1997 through 2007.

By the early 2000s, the actually existing political left was mostly an artifact in history textbooks, not a viable political movement anywhere in the world.

II. Witnessing the death of the left up close

I spent 30 years looking for the political left. Like Winston Smith in 1984, I was driven by the idealistic notion that surely a revolutionary alternative must exist.

For undergrad (1988 to 1992) I attended the most left college I could find, Swarthmore. When George H.W. Bush launched his war in Iraq there were about twenty of us who came together to oppose it. Out of that group, only about five were committed to actual political organizing to stop the war. There were no openly Marxian professors.

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My three-decade search for the political left revealed a series of ghost towns. Like Winston Smith, I discovered that The Brotherhood only exists as an idea, not as an actually existing political movement.

III. The curious resurrection of a movement that does not exist

It is more than a little curious then that the left agenda is back, given that the actually existing political left contains almost no members. Everywhere one looks the left agenda is ascendant:

  • climate change;
  • corporations being brought into alignment with leftist values via the Corporate Equality Index (CEI), Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI), and Environmental, Social, Governance (ESG) scores;
  • 15 minutes cities;
  • green energy;
  • Black Lives Matter;
  • Pride clothes, parades, marches, month, politicians…

Everywhere one looks, it’s all leftism all the time — again with little actual popular political support to drive these changes.

So what is going on?

Almost all of the supposed “leftism” that one sees today is being driven from above by capital. The people driving this agenda are:

  • the big investment managers (BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street);
  • the World Economic Forum;
  • the CIA; and
  • Big Philanthropy (the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, George Soros, Laurene Powell Jobs, the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, etc.).

The billionaires, the oligarchs, the holders of capital, the richest people in the world, are driving the “left” agenda. They write about it in their annual letters to shareholders and they talk about it nonstop in public speeches — this is their vision for how they want to remake the world.

The ruling class uses a whole host of bougiecrats to implement the plan including:

  • the management consultants (McKinsey, PWC, Booz Allen);
  • the PR Firms (Edelman, Weber Shandwick, Hill+Knowlton, Ogilvy); and
  • the thoroughly corporate Democratic Party.

No actual leftists are involved in this process at all.

At first this makes no sense. The political left and the billionaires should be mortal enemies. But somehow the billionaires are playing dress up, pretend, cosplay leftism while the actual left base does not exist.

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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Grizzly » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:09 am

^^^Bravo Very Brave and provocatively erudite .
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:20 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:17 pm wrote:
“WOKE IS FASCIST”
Posted on June 4, 2023

by Paul Cudenec
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Elmer writes: “Just as the neoliberal ideology of multiculturalism created a global monoculture, so the government and corporate funding and institutional and educational hegemony of woke ideology has subsumed contrary social and political opinions and practices within the homogeneity created by monopolised cultural markets.

“Indeed, no other movement since fascism has been as adept as woke at creating a nexus for cultural, legal and political change to shore up a failing capitalism, or has more rapidly attained ideological hegemony in the West. And like fascism before it, woke’s first task has been to destroy the Left as a viable opposition”. [12]

He adds: “Woke is not liberal, and it certainly isn’t socialist: woke is fascist”. [13]

On the basis of Elmer’s astute analysis, we might draw up a list of political pledges which today’s obedient citizen is effectively required to make in order to be accepted by society:

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I pledge to follow The Science. Not only was the epidemic real and the vaccines safe and effective, but all technological innovation is necessarily desirable and those who gainsay this are anti-social reactionaries seeking to drag us back to the Stone Age”.

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I stand by Ukraine. Nobody could possibly dispute the moral rightness of supporting Ukraine. Allies of my government are Good, enemies or rivals are Bad. Their soldiers are murderous terrorists, ours are heroes. Questioning the narrative makes you an enemy combatant and/or a traitor”.

I take the knee. While doing nothing to oppose real-life racial discrimination, I like to signal both my virtue and my submission to the Globalist Faith by participating in organised collective rituals”.

I will deny reality when ordered to do so. I accept that the notion of ‘truth’ is dangerously essentialist. A man who says he is a woman really is a woman. A woman who says she is a man really is a man. Women can have penises and men can have vaginas. If you don’t really believe this, you still have to say it because otherwise you are a transphobic hate-criminal”.

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I pledge to swallow anything if it is sold to me as saving the planet. The only environmental problem of any importance is man-made climate change, which is irrefutable scientific fact. The only way to combat this is to pour trillions of pounds of public money into vast corporate-industrial projects involving massive amounts of pollution, destruction and exploitation, and to throw people off their ancestral lands across the world”.

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I pledge to remain blind to the existence of conspiracies. Only the insane or ill-intentioned imagine that the world is run by a public-private power nexus which deliberately manipulates events and misleads the public in order to further its own aims. Any evidence pointing in this direction should automatically be banned as disinformation and those spreading it punished”.

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I pledge not to recognise fascism when it is staring me in the face. My government has always says it is against fascism and therefore it cannot be regarded as in any way fascist. It is disrespectful of victims of historical fascism to suggest equivalence today and so those who identify the current system as fascist can safely be labelled ‘fascist’ without any need for further justification”.
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby DrEvil » Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:46 pm

Meanwhile the actual fascists are busy banning books, treating trans people like it was 1933, treating women like it was 1833, legalizing child labor and worshiping guns, all the while insisting that liberalism is evil and needs to be destroyed (it probably should, at least in its current incarnation, but not by these chucklefucks. You won't like what they replace it with).
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:09 pm

The ‘actual’ fascists? To what extent are any of these points you raised being conducted overtly by govts or those with legitimate wide-scale influence (above and beyond the developments touched on in the article I cited)?
There is no group more overt in anti-woman rhetoric than those (males) claiming to be them and taking over their roles in sports, etc. (as just 1 example).

No one is stopping these self-identified trans individuals from competing, to be clear, but not in a way that de-values women.

You are at best deluded in your positioning here, or otherwise in continued denial of what should be clear by any sober reading of what’s happening out there, particularly over the last ~3yrs.

They are using charged topics to invert reality and political leanings. Up is down. Right is Wrong.

And you — a regular here — continue to fall for it/refuse to see it for what it is.

You are not alone, of course. But the continued denial and knee jerk reaction (“it’s those gun-toting gay-hating rednecks we need to train our anger towards! Pay no mind to all this other stuff!”) to anyone calling out the brazen assaults on whatever remains of reason and agency is troubling to behold.

Too much to unpack right now. If you still can’t see all this for what it is you may never be able to see it.
And that will have its repercussions, for you, for all of us, depending on how many continue to refuse acknowledgement of the blatant assaults on our senses/ability to live with a modicum of agency.
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:36 pm

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Since I'm a male, perhaps the expressions by a fellow female RI member will hold more weight here, eh?

Project Willow is no longer active here -- unfortunate for all of us -- but she occasionally expresses herself, or "re-tweets" comments by others on Twitter. Let's examine a sampling of a few relatively recent posts by Project Willow's Twitter handle, in relation to some of the recent comments here (and also in other RI threads):

Lynn Schirmer Retweeted
KC
@dyke_in_denial
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May 18

You think these clinics care about "trans kids?"

I went to one. A damn good one too.

They knew I was a sexually abused child. I literally told my therapist I wanted to get rid of my genitals because I didn't want to be hurt again.

But somehow, this didn't give anyone pause.

https://twitter.com/dyke_in_denial/stat ... 66658?s=20

Lynn Schirmer
@Nemal

So, I got into a thing tonight with an old friend, about how his nephew is a niece. I tried to explain to him a woman's point of view, he threw Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan at me, to lib shame me. My fkg god, we women are erased even in the midst of fighting our own erasure.

https://twitter.com/Nemal/status/165115 ... 66144?s=20

Lynn Schirmer Retweeted
Meghan Murphy
@MeghanEMurphy

It's true. This all began with men and their fetishes. Which makes the notion of a 'trans kid' all the more gross. Kids don't exist to legitimize and normalize the sexual fixations of adult men.
Malcolm Clark
@TwisterFilm

1./ What's the darkest secret of the trans lobby? It's one it's tried to hide for decades. There's a clue in this documentary on the BBC, called 'Casa Susanna'.
It's a sexual fetish of men who get off by imagining themselves as women.
1/ of 10


https://twitter.com/MeghanEMurphy/statu ... 21158?s=20

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@JeffWellsRigInt
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Apr 5

Don't experiment upon me. Don't restrict my movement. Don't deprive women of women-only spaces. Don't sexualize children. Don't initiate World War Three. Don't punish me for my perspective.

Anyway that's about the sum of my dangerous, extremist, unacceptable opinions.

https://twitter.com/JeffWellsRigInt/sta ... 59621?s=20

Lynn Schirmer
@Nemal

“I don’t qualify my existence in relation to another’s.” At the tail end of the Second Wave, we were trying to define ourselves, lobbying to change the language, to extract male out of female, man out of woman, and now we fight to keep these words.


1/2

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Only a sociopathic, male hegemonic culture could come up with such a cruel, twisted, destructive movement.

2/2

https://twitter.com/Nemal/status/164310 ... 15328?s=20

etc.

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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:09 am

Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:09 pm wrote:The ‘actual’ fascists? To what extent are any of these points you raised being conducted overtly by govts or those with legitimate wide-scale influence (above and beyond the developments touched on in the article I cited)?


All of those things are happening right now in various US states, courtesy of the republican party. Florida is banning books, several states are relaxing their child labor laws, abortions are illegal in several states, even for rape and incest, demonizing trans people is currently one of the loudest drums being banged by the republicans (trans awareness is grooming!), and the gun part should be self-evident. How can you not be aware of any of this?

There is no group more overt in anti-woman rhetoric than those (males) claiming to be them and taking over their roles in sports, etc. (as just 1 example).

No one is stopping these self-identified trans individuals from competing, to be clear, but not in a way that de-values women.

You are at best deluded in your positioning here, or otherwise in continued denial of what should be clear by any sober reading of what’s happening out there, particularly over the last ~3yrs.

They are using charged topics to invert reality and political leanings. Up is down. Right is Wrong.

And you — a regular here — continue to fall for it/refuse to see it for what it is.

You are not alone, of course. But the continued denial and knee jerk reaction (“it’s those gun-toting gay-hating rednecks we need to train our anger towards! Pay no mind to all this other stuff!”) to anyone calling out the brazen assaults on whatever remains of reason and agency is troubling to behold.

Too much to unpack right now. If you still can’t see all this for what it is you may never be able to see it.
And that will have its repercussions, for you, for all of us, depending on how many continue to refuse acknowledgement of the blatant assaults on our senses/ability to live with a modicum of agency.



About this point in particular:

There is no group more overt in anti-woman rhetoric than those (males) claiming to be them and taking over their roles in sports, etc. (as just 1 example).


Transgendered men competing as women is worse than banning abortions and taking away the bodily autonomy of more than half the population of those states? One is an annoying culture war bullshit distraction, the other is a direct state intervention into women's bodily autonomy resulting in death and misery. Considering your posting history over the last few years I would have thought the latter would be of more concern to you.
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:45 am

DrEvil » Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:46 pm wrote:Meanwhile the actual fascists are busy banning books, treating trans people like it was 1933, treating women like it was 1833, legalizing child labor and worshiping guns, all the while insisting that liberalism is evil and needs to be destroyed (it probably should, at least in its current incarnation, but not by these chucklefucks. You won't like what they replace it with).

problem is the political opposition(authoritarian liberalism) to the resurgent fascism you are talking about is still matter-of-factly more oppressive.

banning the free speech of people in public forums is worse than removing children's books from school libraries.

unvaccinated people were objectively treated worse than trans-people during the pandemic and still have less rights in my country. for instance i am not eligible to receive an organ should i need an organ transplant.

removing the bodily autonomy of an entire population with vaccine mandates was worse than removing it for half with abortion bans.

i agree liberalism is still better on gender issues, though the trans movement is working hard to nullify this.

i suppose the most effective part of the psyop aspect to the pandemic was that it now prevents a large portion of the population caring about the liberty of people who spent the past three years applauding the removal of it in others.

do i really care about supporting the liberties of people who don't believe in liberty as a principle who won't support me when my heads on the chopping block? nope. i'm well aware that at some point rather soon i'll need to actively appose this fascist resurgence. either when it gets worse than authoritarian liberalism or when liberalism reforms itself. we aren't there yet.
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:41 am

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Well stated, drstrangelove.


With respect to 'banning books':

What books, exactly, are Florida 'banning'?
Or is it that certain books on sex and gender are being restricted in schools, but only up to a certain grade level?
That's not "banning".

I readily acknowledge I am not up to speed on many of the details of this 'book banning' topic as I generally avoid clearly 'partisan'/distractionary storylines set up to generate yet another wedge issue debate while distracting from underlying motives.

Is there an official State govt list of the books slated to be 'banned', and the specific criteria in play for how these books are to be restricted? The actual language of the policy/ies from the State, in other words. Can someone produce this?

(Almost satirical irony that many of those that applauded blatantly fascist mandates/lockdowns over the past few years are now laughably calling the Gov of FL a 'fascist' and misrepresenting the specifics of some of these policies, which are ostensibly being implemented -- and with some validity, it seems, if some of the examples of the blatantly pronographic content in these books are actually as depicted -- under the guise of protecting children.
DeSantis may well be a closet (or not so closet) fascist -- and in this respect he'd be in line with many former and current presidents, and it may well be that certain demos are being primed to vote for him just as other demos were similarly primed to vote for Obama back in '08. TBD. But to call it 'book banning' only exposes your blind acceptance of front-facing MSM narratives with no discernment)


The key issue with the current trans situation is NOT that they are being demonized, at least not in the first instance. Many opposing the current trans hysteria support trans rights for adults, or have no firm position on trans adults. It's the clear agenda to push & normalize drug/hormone therapy/body mutilation on children that most in the U.S. appear to have issues with (and also the overt de-valuing of women). And why is sex change in children being so aggressively pushed right now?

It's becoming increasingly apparent that any demonization is frankly being incentivized and cultivated by shoe-horning & pushing these 'trans in female sports' + 'children should be freely sex changed prior to or during puberty' aggressively on the populace. This in turn, will of course cause a number of demos to react strongly.
(Not to mention drag queens stripping, dancing and reading books to children -- however pervasive or not this recent trend is, why the fuck is it even a thing right now in elementary schools?)

It's fucking madness. That i even need to type the above as if the madness of it isn't plainly self-evident is a testament to the sheer madness of our times (or at least the madness of current prevailing agendas/storylines).

Again: a sensitive/polarizing topic is being heavily politicized and twisted for ends that won't in any way benefit (in this example) trans people. To the contrary, as we're already seeing.

New and existing tropes are being curated, as always, to perpetuate divide, discord, and confusion, which in turn will facilitate control measures.

Of course there will be a share of bigots and racists that will capitalize on these issues.

But they're not the underlying drivers here, clearly.
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:14 am

Torn between two fascisms.
Feeling like a fool.
Hating the both of you (and the whole bullshit culture war) is breaking all the rules.

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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:30 am

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Also, to bolt on a bit to some of the recent comments above Re: current 'trans'-related issues (while also keeping with the spirit of this thread), it is not just the 'cis'/straights that have issues with these current agendas.

See below by way of a couple examples. The below messaging resonates as it echoes some of the sentiment I've heard from those around me (that are gay or trans), whenever this topic pops up. As would be relatively common for someone that grew up in and around a major U.S. city, I have my share of gay friends, family members, associates, and co-workers, and this includes a smaller subset that are trans. I am familiar with the intimate details of some of the sentiment that may be shared during freely-expressed banter.

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@77_steeze

“Patriarchy’s attempt” lol. Nobody can ever be credited with any independent thought in Left-land. Gays and Lesbians aren’t feeling part of the Pride community? Patriarchy. People voted for Trump? Must have been swayed by Russian Disinformation
Yanis Varoufakis
@yanisvaroufakis
Not so. It was, initially, about those whom patriarchal society abused and called 'queer'. It included the whole gamut of LGBTQIA+. And, no, Pride has not been hijacked by anyone. Patriarchy's attempt to divide gays and lesbians from trans and other queer people must be defeated
Martha Yeats
@MarthaYeats
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Replying to @yanisvaroufakis and @PaolaRevenioti

Pride used to be about gay people. Now it’s about heterosexual men who say they identify as women.



https://twitter.com/77_steeze/status/16 ... 49920?s=20

Digging into that Yanis thread a bit more is interesting; some of the replies he received:

Diana Alastair
@sappholives83

Marginalizing women in our own demographic while helping men lay claim to superior womanhood, and even to the word “woman” itself, is about the most patriarchal act I can think of. It destroys the idea of women as a sex class with our own unique culture and our own set of rights that we fought like hell to get.

Men cannot “feel like” women. They have no idea what it feels like to be a woman, and they lack the empathy to imagine it with any degree of accuracy. They can only “feel like” what they THINK women feel like. Unsurprisingly, that almost always entails wanting to be sexually objectified and dehumanized, known kk because these pornsick losers get their ideas about women from the filth they’ve consumed online from the day they first had unsupervised access to the internet.

https://twitter.com/sappholives83/statu ... 99168?s=20

Patrick
@STILLTish

You need to seriously think about why you are schilling for #BigPharma by calling our kids “trans” amd making them medical patients for life. Most are just gay and are being irreparably harmed. #FollowTheMoney. Its not a civil rights movement it is capitalism.

https://twitter.com/STILLTish/status/16 ... 70721?s=20
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:32 pm

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The cognitive dissonance among this demo must be jarring...

@aaronjmate
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US liberals are currently the world’s #1 apologists for Nazis and it’s not even close. Here the NYT grudgingly acknowledges Ukraine’s Nazi problem not because they’re Nazis, but because their Nazism “threatens to reinforce Russian propaganda”:
@nytimes
The decision by some Ukrainian soldiers to wear patches with Nazi icons threatens to reinforce Russian propaganda used to justify the invasion. It also could give the symbols mainstream life after the West's decades-long efforts to eliminate them.


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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:44 pm

On one hand, nobody should be discriminated against for not conforming to the supposed ideals of our bullshit socially constructed gender and heterosexual roles.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Nor is there anything wrong with being an "effeminate' male, even to the point that you wish to dress, act, and even identify as female. Nor is there anything wrong with being a "masculine" female, even to the point in that you wish to dress, act, and even identify as male. If you wish people to respect your chosen gender identity, then they should respect your chosen gender identity.

However, as any social constructionist would tell you, whether gender is fixed or fluid is itself a social construction. There is no absolute truth on this question, just as there is no absolute truth on exactly when abortion becomes murder (at consummation, at conception, at fetal viability, at the third trimester, at birth, or at one day/week after birth).

All of these are social constructs. As such, they must be judged by how helpful or harmful to a specific society that these agreed upon social constructs are.

"Trans-women are women" is just another social construct. As such, it must be judged by its effect on our current (and future) society. The argument for accepting this construct (as far as I can decipher at least) is that the lives of small number of truly intersex individuals are irreparably harmed by a fixed gender construct. I don't think that this can be denied. And this is an important issue fully deserving of careful consideration.

But there are many persuasive arguments against fully embracing the concept that gender is completely fluid and totally meaningless outside of malleable personal identification, not the least of which is that this social construct currently encourages millions of parents to consider themselves virtuous when they sterilize their own children and turn into them lifelong medical system dependents by medically mutilating their genitals and other sex organs based on nothing but that child's socially constructed gender preference (that is often highly dependent on conforming to the heterosexual norms of children's mass media).

Furthermore, this construct also impinges on the hard-fought rights of another historically oppressed and discriminated group that makes up over 50% of the current human population, namely non-trans women. In my estimation, the academic and professional managerial class are completely ignoring these obvious harms (just as they ignored the clear and pervasion harms of lockdowns, school closures, and vaccine mandates and just as many of them are ignoring the incipient harms of "climate-saving" authoritarian austerity) because, once again, they have been convinced that ignoring these obvious harms makes them virtuous and that any consideration of these harms would make them pariahs to their virtuous tribe.

What concerns me more than anything about all of these constructs is the elite's total proscription of any reasoned, temperate discussion of them or negotiation about them based on some false dichotomy that declares the opposing view fascistic and therefore wrongthink that cannot be expressed, much less discussed and considered. Further, this wrongthink is declared "genocidal" and therefore provides a justification not only for censoring and censuring but also for violence ("I punch TERFs.") and even mass murder ("Death to christofascists!").

And the ferocity of fervor (as well as the elite's complete full-throated embracement of this fervor) goes well-beyond the fervor of what was considered "acceptable" by women, blacks, and gays in their historic fights against discrimination and oppression. To make an analogy, imagine billionaires arming the Black Panthers in the same manner that they are currently arming Ukrainians. Why? Since when have elites redressed the marginalization and oppression of any subset of humanity with such immediate and unconditional enthusiasm? Imagine, if you will, university presidents of the 1970s banning Joe Biden from speaking on campus because he associated with racist Strom Thurmond. Or university presidents of the 1920s banning Carl Jung from speaking on campus because he associated with sexist Sigmund Freud. What the fuck is going on?
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm

Belligerent Savant » 05 Jun 2023 17:32 wrote:.
The cognitive dissonance among this demo must be jarring...

@aaronjmate
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US liberals are currently the world’s #1 apologists for Nazis and it’s not even close. Here the NYT grudgingly acknowledges Ukraine’s Nazi problem not because they’re Nazis, but because their Nazism “threatens to reinforce Russian propaganda”:
@nytimes
The decision by some Ukrainian soldiers to wear patches with Nazi icons threatens to reinforce Russian propaganda used to justify the invasion. It also could give the symbols mainstream life after the West's decades-long efforts to eliminate them.


https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1 ... 64312?s=20


LOL. For yet another "amusing" analogy.

"The decision by some Nazis to commit genocide threatens to reinforce Russian propaganda used to justify the race to Berlin."
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Re: 'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

Postby Grizzly » Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:18 am

^^^
From Mate' twitter comments

"NAFO" From the comments... Lmao!

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