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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby Harvey » Fri Jan 16, 2026 8:16 pm

Any climate model which does not account for the best part of a century of 'geo-engineering' is worthless. When climate scientists were initially puzzled by temperature increases which only or mostly occurred at night, consider that geoengineering cloud cover during night time, might account for all of the temperature increases by itself, minus the heat island effect of measuring locations.

Have any of you geniuses done the math?
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:28 am

No. Have you?

Any source for the geoengineering claim (apart from the geoengineering we're doing by releasing massive amounts of greenhouse gases)?
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby Harvey » Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:46 am

"any of you geniuses" wasn't intended pejoratively. I understood that some would read it that way, which is why I phrased it as I did. I genuinely would like to see somebody test the hypothesis. I'm not capable of doing so, but someone as intelligent as you believe you are, should be perfectly capable. I would like to think that anyone with an enquiring mind should be open to the possibility and interested in testing the hypothesis, as I am. Britain is in the process of legalising 'geo-engineering' to spray chemicals and metals via aircraft, a practice they have already been doing for some time, so denying that it happens is already a moot point.
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 12:44 pm

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Belligerent Savant » Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:52 am wrote:.
Broadly related to the topic of this thread (and recent events):

Augustus Doricko
Making it rain @RainmakerCorp. Apply to work as a Forward Deployed Engineer in my profile link!
https://jobs.lever.co/make-rain/abeb7ac ... 4f4448a768
@ADoricko
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Jul 5
The natural disaster in the Texan Hill Country is a tragedy. My prayers are with Texas.

Rainmaker did not operate in the affected area on the 3rd or 4th or contribute to the floods that occurred over the region.

Rainmaker will always be fully transparent.

Brian Gamble
@briangamble_v1


@RainmakerCorp:

For public accountability:

Can you confirm, with full transparency, whether any cloud seeding or atmospheric modification operations, by your company or affiliates, were conducted in or around Hunt, Texas or the Upper Guadalupe River basin on July 3 or July 4, 2025?

If so,

Please include:

Time and location of any seeding activities;

Type of materials used (e.g., silver iodide, dry ice, etc.);

Whether any contracts, public or private, were active in Kerr County or adjacent counties during this period.

Given the deadly consequences of the July 4 flooding and ongoing speculation about the potential role of weather modification, the public is owed full transparency and factual clarity.

Thank you for your prompt and transparent response.

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"Yes, we interfere with complex systems, and no, we don't know what the second order effects are, but yes, we are going to deny any liability"

9:21 AM · Jul 9, 2025
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AND:

@cordeliers

From 1972 and more relevant than ever. "Weather: Calamities of Nature & Weather Modification as a Weapon of Imperialism"

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The Pentagon has been working on weather modification for decades.
https://magazine.scienceforthepeople.or ... n-and-war/

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"Weather as a Force Multiplier" -- 1996 Pentagon research predicted that by 2025 US aerospace forces could "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war fighting applications. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA333462.pdf

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2009 Pentagon paper describes use of Directed Energy Weapons as part of larger weather control strategies. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA539515.pdf

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Disastrous 1952 flood engineered by British military. Source: James Rodger Fleming, Fixing the Sky, The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control
(Columbia University Press 2012)

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https://x.com/cordeliers/status/1703836488683716869



Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:28 pm wrote:.
[Many embedded links at Source]

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Fire and Flood
Weather Modification and the Patterns We Can No Longer Ignore

Joshua Stylman
Jul 17, 2025

Last week, Governor Gavin Newsom announced a housing plan for the fire-devastated Palisades. Not housing for the people who just lost their million-dollar homes, but low-income housing to be built on the torched land.

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I'm all for affordable housing. But isn't it curious that after one of the most expensive neighborhoods in America burns down, the "recovery" plan immediately transforms it into something completely different? The people who live there are still determining whether they can afford to rebuild, but somehow the state already has comprehensive plans ready for demographic replacement.

We're told it's recovery. But the only thing being recovered is control—by the same forces that always benefit.

It makes you wonder: Is this disaster response, or disaster capitalism?

It's starting to look like a playbook. Across crisis after crisis, we see the same sequence: weaken infrastructure, enable catastrophe, replace the community. Whether this represents coordinated planning or opportunistic exploitation of crisis situations, the outcomes remain similar. It's an environmentally driven regime change by another name.

What if the disasters themselves aren't natural?

The Scale of What's Happening

Extraordinary flooding has been sweeping the nation. In Texas, unprecedented storms triggered catastrophic flooding.

In New Mexico, monsoon rains triggered devastating flash floods.

In Chicago, a single storm dumped over 5 inches of rain in 90 minutes, forcing residents to climb to rooftops as streets became rivers

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New Jersey flash floods killed two people and forced water rescues of 40 others in chest-high flooding.

Across the river in New York, subway stations flooded as stormwater rushed onto platforms, stranding thousands of travelers above and below ground.

Florida recorded 25,000 lightning strikes in 24 hours amid unusual atmospheric conditions.

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The scale becomes clear when you see the national trend:

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While meteorologists point to different causes, the sheer intensity and rapid succession of these 'unprecedented' events in different regions created a model for a nationwide crisis. Which brings me to something documented, not speculated—something that should make every American question what's really happening with our weather.

The Texas Documentation: Weather Modification Goes Public

Days earlier, Augustus Doricko made an admission that confirmed what weather modification researchers have long suspected. The 25-year-old CEO of Rainmaker Corporation, a Thiel Fellow with contracts to manipulate weather systems, posted on X that his company was actively seeding clouds over South Texas on July 2nd.

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Forty-eight hours later, the Guadalupe River near Spring Branch rose to a peak of 40 feet, a nearly 28-foot rise in a matter of hours. The storm's toll was catastrophic: according to ABC News, more than 130 people died and more than 160 were still missing as search efforts continued.

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Investigative journalist Celia Farber documented Doricko's background and the anomalous precipitation, including reports of 'blue rain' falling across Texas that allegedly caused nausea and hallucinations when ingested. I had archived a few of these blue rain reports in late June as a weather oddity, weeks before the flooding brought them into focus.

But here's what makes this more than a tragic coincidence: Rainmaker Corporation held official contracts with clients like the South Texas Weather Modification Association, part of a state-sanctioned program documented by the Texas Department of Licensing & Regulation. These programs are licensed to conduct dozens of cloud-seeding operations annually, artificially creating millions of acre-feet of water. X researcher @In2ThinAir uncovered the official documentation proving these weather modification operations exist.

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This was legal. Sanctioned. Taxpayer-funded weather manipulation.

Doricko's excuse for stopping early? Saturated clouds. They were pumping water into already oversaturated clouds during unstable weather conditions.

What happened next follows the script we've seen across other disasters. Investigation by @MorganC000 documented curious details that make you wonder about the official narrative:

Pre-Disaster Activity: On July 2, 2025—two days before the floods—over 50 US military and NASA aircraft clustered exactly over zones that would flood, including NASA's P-3B Orion and UAVSAR systems capable of advanced atmospheric monitoring. Despite this extensive monitoring presence, no public alerts were issued about the coming floods.

Land Context: Camp Mystic sits on some of the most valuable riverfront land in the Texas Hill Country, with a history of legal battles culminating in a confidential $7.2 million buyout. Questions arise about how disaster-related infrastructure destruction might affect ongoing land-use arrangements.

Rapid Corporate Response: Within days of the disaster, investment analysis positioned the floods as a catalyst for smart resilience markets, with companies like IBM Weather Company positioned for AI-driven flood modeling and surveillance deployment. Organizations like Team Rubicon, which uses Palantir Technologies for disaster relief operations, demonstrate how surveillance systems are integrated into emergency response infrastructure.

Weather Modification Acknowledgment: Rainmaker Corporation emerged claiming cloud seeding operations in the area—confirming weather modification activities while raising eyebrows about the scope of such programs. This follows the limited hangout strategy: when pressure builds, release part of the truth to contain the narrative.

@MorganC000's documentation reveals timing and coordination that challenge assumptions about natural disasters and emergency response. The questions her research raise should make us at least wonder about the narrative we’ve heard.

But we have to consider that Doricko's admission may itself be strategic misdirection. Geoengineering researcher Dane Wigington, speaking on Jimmy Dore's show, argues that Doricko functions as a "red herring" and "mass distraction"—like "what Oswald was to the JFK shooting." Wigington's analysis suggests that Doricko's small operations (5-10 pounds of material at most) couldn't cause Texas flooding. The real mechanism, according to recordings from Hurricane Harvey, involves NEXRAD frequency transmissions that hold moisture stationary over targeted areas by creating "repelling effects against air masses." They knew Harvey's path seven days in advance using this technology.

Last weekend, Texas Senate candidate Joseph Trahan tweeted that cloud seeding oversight in Texas is deliberately captured by unqualified political appointees. The Texas Department of Licensing & Regulation (TDLR), which approves all weather modification, operates through a 5-member Weather Modification Advisory Committee that includes some technical expertise, but ultimate authority rests with political appointees who lack comprehensive meteorological oversight compared to the previous system under the Texas Agriculture Commission.

During the Hill Country flooding, flight logs show three companies operated simultaneously—not just Rainmaker. West Texas Weather Modification LLC and SOAR (Seeding Operations and Atmospheric Research) conducted hundreds of flights, doing "more cloud seeding in the last year than many years combined" according to Trahan. While Rainmaker stopped July 2nd, the other companies continued throughout the flooding.

The critical question Trahan raises: who paid for this unprecedented atmospheric intervention? TDLR oversight was stripped from the Texas Agriculture Commission in 1989, removing qualified meteorologists and farmers who understood weather impacts. Instead, political appointees now approve operations with far less comprehensive meteorological oversight than the previous system provided.

This is where zooming out to examine what else was happening in the municipality becomes crucial.

Just months before the flooding, Kerr County had rejected a lithium battery storage project. Local opposition was fierce. The Kerrville City Council had already approved a $175 million power plant project in early 2024, but community resistance to lithium extraction remained strong. The floods devastated the community that had opposed lithium projects. Questions now linger about how this tragedy might affect future energy development decisions in the area.

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Smart city infrastructure planning was already underway in Kerrville before the disaster struck. According to Kerrville's 2050 Comprehensive Plan, published in 2018, the pieces were already in place.

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Researchers attempting to analyze the data found that satellite weather data access had been restricted. The timing—restriction announced June 30th, floods beginning July 4th—adds another layer of complexity to understanding these events.

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Questions worth asking:

Did you authorize Rainmaker Corporation to manipulate weather above your home?

When did your community consent to weather modification experiments?

Did Congress authorize cloud seeding over flood zones?

Why was satellite weather data access restricted four days before the floods began?

What are the odds lithium extraction becomes viable exactly where flood damage occurred?

The Pattern Recognition Method

This is what pattern recognition looks like: connecting documented capabilities with observable outcomes, then asking why the same corporate players consistently benefit from disasters that follow weather modification activities in the same regions.

And honestly, this stuff is tedious. It's an administrative web that only lunatics like me spend months digging through—cross-referencing corporate filings, government contracts, timeline documentation, and satellite data. Normal people have lives to live. They shouldn't have to become investigative journalists to understand if their weather is being manipulated.

I know this piece is long. Feel free to skim some of the details. But I have to show you the breadth of evidence because the pattern recognition method requires it. A few coincidences could just be chance—in fact, there's a group of 'coincidentalists' who will still make that case even after seeing clear examples. But can you honestly get there after seeing all of this? I can't.

This is what I call the accumulation effect: each individual piece might be dismissible in isolation, but the sheer volume and consistency makes denial increasingly difficult. It's like building a legal case—you need overwhelming evidence to overcome reasonable doubt. One anomalous event? Opportunism. Two? Correlation. But dozens following similar sequences with the same corporate beneficiaries, impossible timing, and systemic failures? That becomes infinitesimally unlikely to explain as random chance.

There's a cognitive threshold where the human brain can no longer process this as mere coincidence. Comprehensive documentation helps readers reach their own conclusions about what they're seeing.

That's why I'm grateful for citizen investigators like MJTruthUltra, Vigilant Fox, JoshWalkos, In2ThinAir and others who compile these types of investigations and make the connections visible.

A few professional journalists like Naomi Wolf have been sounding alarms about weather manipulation and disaster capitalism, but most institutional media remains silent.

Without this network of obsessive documentation—mostly citizen investigators with some (minimal) professional support—most of this evidence would remain buried in corporate press releases and government archives. In an era of captured institutions, citizen journalism may be the only force capable of exposing evidence that threaten democracy itself. When the fourth estate falls, we become the fifth estate—and no one is coming to save us but ourselves.

The Framework: Weather Modification Is Real


After Hurricane Helene's extraordinary behavior in Asheville last September, I published my research on weather modification technology in Is Our Weather Being Manipulated? I had been tracking these capabilities for the last few years, but Asheville's meteorologically anomalous hurricane—maintaining devastating power 300+ miles inland through mountainous terrain—gave me the catalyst to publish what I’d been studying.

The evidence I documented was comprehensive: tons of patents and programs for atmospheric heating and hurricane steering, six states with anti-geoengineering legislation, corporate weather modification contracts operating nationwide, Bill Gates backing sun-dimming projects like SCoPEx, and government acknowledgments of Solar Radiation Management capabilities.

During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military used Operation Popeye (1967-1972) to extend monsoon seasons by cloud seeding, disrupting enemy supply routes. Remember Forrest Gump's description of Vietnam rain? "One day it started raining and it didn't quit for 4 months... rain flew in sideways and sometimes rain even seemed to come straight up from underneath... and then just like that somebody turned off the rain and the sun come out."

That wasn't just Hollywood drama—it was Hollywood disclosure.

Government weather modification reports filed with NOAA—pronounced like the biblical Noah who warned of the coming flood. The irony writes itself. The agency tracking atmospheric manipulation shares a name with the world’s most famous flood survivor.

Just last week, the EPA unveiled a new "transparency portal" on contrails and geoengineering—Administrator Lee Zeldin promising "total transparency." Yet search USAspending.gov for "stratospheric aerosol intervention" and you'll find millions in federal funding flowing to Harvard's Solar Geoengineering Research Program and the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research—highlighting the complexity of achieving true transparency across different federal agencies and funding streams.

Zeldin himself acknowledged the reality of these operations: "The enthusiasm for experiments that would pump pollutants into the high atmosphere has set off alarm bells here at the Trump EPA. Prior to now, EPA has never been this proactive to raise awareness about concerns with geoengineering." His admission confirms what pattern recognizers have been documenting—these aren't theoretical programs but active operations that even federal agencies now admit are concerning.

The timing is interesting. As awareness grows about potential links between weather modification and disaster responses, agencies appear to be managing public perception through selective transparency—admitting contrails are "human-made" while avoiding discussion of active programs.

On Tuesday, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced the Clear Skies Act, legislation to ban weather modification and geoengineering. Regardless of one's views on the sponsor, when sitting members of Congress file bills to prohibit atmospheric intervention, the issue has moved beyond theoretical debate into active policy. Whether this represents genuine political momentum or another form of strategic disclosure remains to be seen—but the institutional acknowledgment is significant.

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This is now part of the public conversation. Nicole Shanahan recently exposed decades of secret geoengineering projects through whistleblower testimony from someone with "high-level security clearances" who worked with the Department of Defense, Department of Energy, NOAA, and the Intelligence Community. The whistleblower revealed that despite President Trump's 2020 directive to halt taxpayer-funded climate change initiatives, federal grants for solar radiation management and stratospheric aerosol injection are still being issued—the programs haven't stopped, they've just been rebranded.

Shanahan documented how UCAR has received over $230 million in direct federal awards, and how a 1979 report revealed "nearly 100 geoengineering projects" including "hurricane manipulation, radioactive and electromagnetically enhanced fog dispersal, microwave chaff deployment, supersonic ice nucleation, and conventional cloud seeding operations."

The capability isn't theoretical. A 1996 U.S. Air Force report titled "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" predicted that by 2025, U.S. aerospace forces could "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies for war-fighting applications. Welcome to 2025. The timeline isn't coincidental.

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Multiple officials, multiple years, same casual acknowledgment of weather control while the public remains in the dark. Curious, no?

Whether these represent isolated slips or evidence that weather modification has become routine enough to mention casually is unclear. But admitting capability is different from documenting implementation.

What I couldn't have predicted was how quickly we'd see active deployment. Texas proved these weren't theoretical programs but operational systems with deadly consequences. The question isn't whether weather modification exists—it's whether it's being deliberately used against American communities.

The evidence reveals a blueprint for disaster capitalism:

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Half the country thinks extreme weather is climate change. The other half suspects something else but lacks the framework to understand what. Neither side can have an honest discussion about climate without acknowledging weather modification technology.

Texas proved the mechanism exists and is operational. But is it isolated, or systematic?

Asheville: When Hurricanes Do the Impossible
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Hurricane Helene did something meteorologically extraordinary in September 2024. It maintained devastating power 300+ miles inland, far beyond typical hurricane behavior in mountainous terrain that usually breaks up hurricane systems. But the real story isn't just about unusual meteorology—it's about lithium, corporate resistance, and the elimination of community opposition through 'natural' disaster

One year before Hurricane Helene struck, the U.S. Department of Defense awarded Albemarle Corporation a $90 million grant to restart their Kings Mountain, North Carolina lithium mine. The official DoD announcement confirmed the September 12, 2023 contract, funded under Defense Production Act authorities using Inflation Reduction Act money, targeted "one of the few known hard rock lithium deposits in the U.S." The mine was expected to support manufacturing of 1.2 million electric vehicles annually—critical infrastructure for Biden's 2021 Executive Order requiring 50% of all vehicles to be electric by 2030. The Inflation Reduction Act had announced to the world that America would not concede lithium dominance to China, setting up an urgent national priority for domestic lithium extraction that made North Carolina's deposits strategically critical.

There was just one problem: the residents.

For years, communities across the lithium-rich region had been battling against reopening the mines. Piedmont Lithium had secured state-approved mining permits in Gaston County months before the hurricane, but local opposition remained fierce. Corporate stakeholders—BlackRock, State Street, Capital Research Finance—had positioned themselves for massive lithium extraction, but community resistance blocked operations.

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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby Harvey » Mon Jan 19, 2026 2:29 pm

^ Maybe it's Fluoride? Maybe the shots? Maybe its just Groundhog Day.
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 5:01 pm

:lol:

Quite right.
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jan 19, 2026 5:20 pm

Harvey » Sat Jan 17, 2026 4:46 pm wrote:"any of you geniuses" wasn't intended pejoratively. I understood that some would read it that way, which is why I phrased it as I did. I genuinely would like to see somebody test the hypothesis. I'm not capable of doing so, but someone as intelligent as you believe you are, should be perfectly capable. I would like to think that anyone with an enquiring mind should be open to the possibility and interested in testing the hypothesis, as I am. Britain is in the process of legalising 'geo-engineering' to spray chemicals and metals via aircraft, a practice they have already been doing for some time, so denying that it happens is already a moot point.


Short answer to your original question: global warming evaporates water which creates more clouds which act like an extra blanket at night.

Why do you think they're even considering geoengineering?
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jan 21, 2026 4:04 pm

Just a quick note on why I get so worked up over this topic: you guys (*cough*BelSav*cough*) are doing the most incredible mental gymnastics to come up with elaborate, sometimes bordering on magical, explanations for something we already have a perfectly good explanation for. You're all aboard with humanity fucking up every other aspect of our surroundings, but for some godforsaken reason you absolutely refuse to accept that that includes the atmosphere. It seriously makes no sense.
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Re: Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

Postby BenDhyan » Thu Feb 12, 2026 9:48 pm

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/13/trump-revokes-us-scientific-finding-behind-climate-change-regulations?traffic_source=rss

Trump revokes US scientific finding behind climate change regulations

The United States has revoked a scientific finding that has long been the central basis for its actions to regulate greenhouse gas emissions and fight climate change.

The decision on Thursday is the most aggressive move by President Donald Trump to roll back environmental regulations since the start of his second term.

Established under the presidency of Democrat Barack Obama, the finding establishes that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases threaten public health and welfare. But President Trump, a Republican, has called climate change a “hoax” and a “con job”. The endangerment finding, he argued, is “one of the greatest scams in history”, adding that it “had no basis in fact” or law.

“On the contrary, over the generations, fossil fuels have saved millions of lives and lifted billions of people out of poverty all over the world,” Trump said at a White House ceremony on Thursday. He hailed the repeal of the endangerment finding as “the single largest deregulatory action in American history, by far”.

EPA administrator Lee Zeldin, who also attended the ceremony, described the endangerment finding as “the Holy Grail of federal regulatory overreach”. Rescinding the endangerment finding repeals all greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars and trucks. It could also unleash a broader unravelling of climate regulations on stationary sources such as power plants and oil and gas facilities, experts say.

But Thursday’s new rule is likely to face pushback in the US court system.

Overturning the finding will “raise more havoc” than other actions Trump has taken to roll back environmental rules, environmental law professor Ann Carlson told The Associated Press news agency.

Environmental groups described the move as the single biggest attack in US history against federal authority to address climate change. Evidence backing up the endangerment finding has only grown stronger in the 17 years since it was approved, they said.

As part of Thursday’s decision, the EPA also announced it will end tax credits for automakers who install automatic start-stop ignition systems in their vehicles. The device is intended to reduce emissions, but Zeldin said “everyone hates” it.

Zeldin, a former Republican congressman who was tapped by Trump to lead EPA last year, has criticised his Democratic predecessors, saying that, in the name of tackling climate change, they were “willing to bankrupt the country”.

The endangerment finding “led to trillions of dollars in regulations that strangled entire sectors of the United States economy, including the American auto industry”, Zeldin said, criticising the leadership of Obama and former President Joe Biden in particular.


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