middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11!!

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middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11!!

Postby dugoboy » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:52 am

hey all i just had this crazy brilliant thought.<br><br>a long time ago i learned to understand that the way the PTB have been able to go as long as they have is that <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>they create what they destroy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and profit from that destruction</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->. hegelian dialect, even before hegel this was a commonly understood avenue of power. and then BAM, i think of 911.<br><br>the ptb create structures and destroy them for profit.<br><br>the idea of the world trade center came from a rockefeller. they end up destroying it, imploding it to manufacture consent. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>this is the core: they build false structures and when there use is complete, they willfully -by their own designs- destroy it to make way for some other plan.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>is this not the very core for the reason 911 was so powerful? they sacrificed the destruction of buildings toward the implementation of their plan. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>they exploit the very foundations of existence and are sustained by it.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>in the end the PTB suppress the powers of creation by fueling the powers of destruction in the end. so our ultimate counter attack is in the act of creation, of teaching as many as we can the truth of all the terrible shit that goes on.<br><br><br>these are men we are talking about, dysfunctional men, they will destroy, they see it as their power.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> they despise women, they despise the power of creation, these men's religion is the power of destruction..</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><br>fascism is indeed a male domination cult as someone once suggested.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>-peace</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/30/06 11:14 pm<br></i>
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Re: middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11

Postby dugoboy » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:10 am

LYRICS<br><br>BAND: CREED<br><br>SONG: "Hide"<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>To what do I owe this gift my friend?<br>My life, my love, my soul?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I've been dancing with the devil way too long<br>And it's making me grow old</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Making me grow old, yeah<br><br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Get lost in time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide<br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Run in fields of time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide<br>No reason to hide<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>No reason to hide</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What are you going to do with your gift dear child?<br>Give life, give love, give soul?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Divided is the one who dances<br>For the sould is so exposed<br>So exposed<br><br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Get lost in time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide<br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Run in fields of time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide<br><br>No reason to hide<br><br>There is no reason to hide!<br>There is no reason to hide!<br>There is no reason to hide!<br>There is no reason to hide!<br><br>yeah<br><br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Get lost in time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide<br>Let's leave...oh let's get away<br>Run in fields of time<br>Where there's no reason left to hide [x2]<br><br>No reason to hide<br>There is no reason to hide!<br><br>No reason to hide<br>There is no reason to hide!<br><br>No reason to hide<br>There is no reason to hide!<br><br> <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/30/06 11:13 pm<br></i>
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Re: middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11

Postby friend catcher » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:02 am

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"fascism is indeed a male domination cult as someone once suggested"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>That was a strand of analysis investigated in the 1960's and 70's<br>This essay by Susan Sontag is certainly worth a read, <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/33dTexts/SontagFascinFascism75.htm">www.history.ucsb.edu/facu...cism75.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Also a film with Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling called the Night Porter, very controversial on its release and still riles commentators when it gets shown at rep or on tv <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue09/reviews/nightporter/text.htm">www.imagesjournal.com/iss...r/text.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0780022823/002-3932727-5812018?v=glance&n=130">www.amazon.com/gp/product...ance&n=130</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:32 pm

Nice one, Dugoboy. It's time we considered the implications of fascism as a 'male-dominated cult.'<br><br>Friend catcher, thanks for posting about The Night Porter. It has been many years since I saw or thought of that film.<br><br>As for Sontag, her voice is needed now, more than ever. I greatly miss her insight and articulacy. Sad to know she's gone. However, her writing continues to inspire one to dig deeper into the wormpile, beyond the bright brilliant facade, of what passes for beauty and aesthetics in western culture.<br><br>RE: Fascinating Fascism by Susan Sontag, republished in: Under the Sign of Saturn (New York, 1980), 73-105.<br><br>Sontag's superb essay is well observed and tightly argued. Those who have not seen Triumph of the Will or Olympia should do so. Afterward, watch the Republican National Convention of 2004 (the greatest cum-ralley produced in recent memory).<br><br>The following passage (from part 2 of Sontag's essay, which examines the fascination with Nazi regalia) provides the context of what I'm getting at:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>... Why has Nazi Germany, which was a sexually repressive society, become erotic? How could a regime which persecuted homosexuals become a gay turn-on?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A clue lies in the predilections of the fascist leaders themselves for sexual metaphors. Like Nietzsche and Wagner, Hitler regarded leadership as sexual mastery of the "feminine" masses, as rape. (The expression of the crowds in Triumph of the Will is one of ecstasy; the leader makes the crowd come.) Left-wing movements have tended to be unisex, and asexual in their imagery. Right-wing movements, however puritanical and repressive the realities they usher in, have an erotic surface. Certainly Nazism is "sexier" than communism (which is not to the Nazis' credit, but rather shows something of the nature and limits of the sexual imagination).</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Of course, most people who are turned on by SS uniforms are not signifying approval of what the Nazis did, if indeed they have more than the sketchiest idea of what that might be. Nevertheless, there are powerful and growing currents of sexual feeling, those that generally go by the name of sadomasochism, which make playing at Nazism seem erotic. These sadomasochistic fantasies and practices are to be found among heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, although it is among male homosexuals that the eroticizing of Nazism is most visible. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>S-m, not swinging, is the big sexual secret of the last few years</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br>Between sadomasochism and fascism there is a natural link. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Fascism is theater," as Genet said</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. As is sadomasochistic sexuality: to be involved in sadomasochism is to take part in a sexual theater, a staging of sexuality. Regulars of sadomasochistic sex are expert costumers and choreographers as well as performers, in a drama that is all the more exciting because it is forbidden to ordinary people. Sadomasochism is to sex what war is to civil life: the magnificent experience. (Riefenstahl put it: "What is purely realistic, slice of life, what is average, quotidian, doesn't interest me." As the social contract seems tame in comparison with war, so fucking and sucking come to seem merely nice, and therefore unexciting. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The end to which all sexual experience tends, as Bataille insisted in a lifetime of writing, is defilement, blasphemy. To be "nice," as to be civilized, means being alienated from this savage experience—which is entirely staged.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The rituals of domination and enslavement being more and more practiced, the art that is more and more devoted to rendering their themes, are perhaps only a logical extension of an affluent society's tendency to turn every part of people's lives into a taste, a choice; to invite them to regard their very lives as a (life) style.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In all societies up to now, sex has mostly been an activity (something to do, without thinking about it). But once sex becomes a taste, it is perhaps already on its way to becoming a self-conscious form of theater, which is what sadomasochism is about: a form of gratification that is both violent and indirect, very mental.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The widespread appeal of Arnold Schwarzenegger is an excellent example of Sontag's central thesis. For example, I seem to recall he arrived at the polling stations in a Hummer, to wild cheers from the crowd. The Hummer's popularity in The Age of Bush is significant (to say the least).<br><br>FYI, check out <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.hummerforums.com/" target="top">Hummer Forums</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> There is a link posted under 'Sights and Sounds' called 'Hummer Haters.' The poster, named 'Dennis,' issues the usual moronic caveat, "not intended to offend." Warning to RI viewers, you will certainly be offended if you view it.<br><br>See <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://hummerhater.justgotowned.com/" target="top">Hummer Hater (Just Got Owned)</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>Also, and this is relevant to the pedophilia thread, consider how the rise in pedophilia among the elites is linked to fascism, rather than intellectualism. Seriously. <br><br>Cheers, all. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=wolfmoonlady>Wolfmoon Lady</A> at: 7/1/06 11:43 am<br></i>
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Re: middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11

Postby friend catcher » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:07 pm

Woolfmoon lady- Thanks for the links, Just watched 'just got owned' twice and have no idea what I watched, I do know I don't like it but there must be some kind of cultural ignorance on my part regarding hummer owners i.e are they complete basket cases.<br>Never even seen a hummer and I'm glad to say anyone who used one in Scotland would be laughed at. A chest wig would be more acceptable than one of those. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: middle of the night lucid thought of the moment re: 9/11

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:08 pm

Friend catcher,<br><br>The <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2006_Hummer_H3_H1_and_H2.jpg" target="top">Hummer</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> is an SUV. The design is based on the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMMWV" target="top">HUMVEE</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, a military vehicle first used by US Troops in Panama, 1989. Now used in Iraq. The civilian model is wildly popular with certain male persons here in America. The Hummer site link, which included that horrible "joke not meant to offend," exemplifies the sort of person who drives one.<br><br>My understanding of the Hummer phenomenon is that they seem to appeal to American men who worry about being manly. Not surprisingly, I've seen quite a few around here of late, driven by middle-aged real estate salesmen. (Goes without saying that Arnold S. is the perfect "I'm no girly man" archetype for American men to emulate.) I'm glad to know there is a place in the world where they would be laughed at, rather than cheered.<br><br>Meanwhile, I'm getting ready to attend a Fourth of July party. It's quite a big day around here. Celebrating our independence from the British, you know. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Us crazy Americans party for 2-3 days, depending on whether we get the Monday off. I am working Tuesday, July 4th, because my job pays double time, so 8 hours is like 16. So, tonight and tomorrow are my boogie nights. My roomie and I bought extra big sparklers to hand out as party favors. And I've got a red, white, and blue tinsel garland to put around my head like a crown. I look like Bette Midler impersonating the Statue of Liberty. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Hope nobody gets too drunk and burns their hand off. I'm bringing a long candle lighter just in case. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby friend catcher » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Many thanks, We have a well known disease in the UK called 'Big Penis Disease' the symptoms of which are many and varied. This would appear to be one of them. The victim mistakenly attempts to compensate for real or imagined lacking in the trouser department by purchasing obscenely oversized pieces of equipment. The only known cure is regular dosages of humorous humiliation in a public space. Even if a cure is effected the victim is prone to relapses caused by the influence of his peers. <br><br>Enjoy your Independence celebrations. <p></p><i></i>
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Your Worst Nightmares

Postby greencrow0 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:08 am

from waynemadsenreport.com<br><br>> "July 1, 2006 -- A former top Defense Department official has told WMR that he fears the Bush administration will pull off another "911" before the November election. The official stated that <br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the next 911 will be used as a pretext for shipping U.S. citizens of Middle East descent to mass detention camps, establish martial law, impose strict censorship, and finally eliminate the power of the Congress and the Supreme Court over the president. "The next 911 will be much more like the Reichstag fire in terms of creating a dictatorship," said the official."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=greencrow0>greencrow0</A> at: 7/2/06 2:10 am<br></i>
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Re: Your Worst Nightmares

Postby anothershamus » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:13 pm

the hummer is a corvette for the 21st century. all style and no substance. the kick-butt-greed-buster-special. create your own military-industrial-inferiority-complex, own a hummer. and the name brings to mind a sexual act to boot. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Your Worst Nightmares

Postby dugoboy » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:42 pm

hm i didn't mean to make my main point to be just about male domination, it was to be this:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>they sacrificed the destruction of buildings toward the implementation of their plan. they exploit the very foundations of existence and are sustained by it.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>in the end <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the PTB suppress the powers of creation by fueling the powers of destruction in the end.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> so our ultimate <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>counter attack is in the act of creation, of teaching as many as we can the truth of all the terrible shit that goes on.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>and in response to greencrow, that's why i'm gonna enjoy things more these days. i don't care what they do to us anymore. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i></i>
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Re: Your Worst Nightmares

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:22 pm

Dug,<br><br>Sorry if it seems we ignored your thread points.<br><br>Friend and I just dove right into the meat of things, using your final phrase, "Fascism is a male-dominated cult," as a springboard. Why the cult of fascism is so popular in America now, and how it manifests is highly relevant. At least to me.<br><br>RE: ..."the PTB suppress the powers of creation by fueling the powers of destruction in the end..."<br><br>What your points describe are the observed results/products of fascism - indeed, the manifestation of fascist desire. <br><br>As for your call to counter the destructiveness of the PTB, by telling the truth, you must first recognize 9/11 as emerging from the interests of a specialized cult of male domination, as epitomized by the PNAC's manifesto calling for a "New Pearl Harbor."<br><br>Further, I would argue that fascism cannot exist in the absence of patriarchal control, mostly through religion, and a testosterone-driven cultural climate that undermines female power, which is something you mention in your original post.<br><br>Susan Sontag's criticism of Leni Riefenstahl's work is worth reading because it exemplies how the gifts of creation (art) are usurped by fascism, and used to promote its destructive agenda.<br><br>The Hummer business relates to "belligerent nationalism and racism" - dual sensibilities that enable fascism to thrive. To these, I would add xenophobia, homophobia, and sexism.<br><br>Hope this clears things up.<br><br>I liked your "eureka!" moment, fwiw. <p></p><i></i>
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