WTC The movie starring Nik Cage

by **dbeach** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:29 pm

<a href="http://movies.aol.com/news/articles/worldtradecenter/_a/the-close-up-center-of-controversy/20060714120709990001">movies.aol.com/news/artic...0709990001</a> dunno about Oliver Stone??? wonder IF this will be another jollywood propaganda fiasco

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:24 am

Stone is pretty hit and miss. This looks like his straight-ahead way to ask Hollywood to forgive him for Alexander. Don't know what Stone thinks re 9/11, except he's not above using it to help his career.

by **Ouish** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:49 am

A Nic Cage conspiracy film to check out is Snake Eyes. I picked it up on DVD recently when I saw it on sale for $ 5.99 U.S. I recommend buying it because it's fairly disappointing on first viewing but keeps getting better the more you watch it. If you saw it and didn't like it, see it again. The narrative is a bit weak for reasons I can't quite identify but as an extended visual metaphor for Reality/Politics/America the film is fantastic. I can't believe it got made. I guess nobody got it. All the action takes place in and around a giant indoor arena. The arena itself, which is decked out entirely in red, white and blue, and even includes a jet fighter on a revolving stand, is the public world, with its 14,000 spectators and live TV cameras. Nothing that happens there is real. All the real action takes place (literally) behind the scenes, in the surrounding maze of passages and offices (involving a false flag terror action). The false, visible world of the arena also extends to media falsification and manipulation, an important secondary theme. Another example of sustained visual metaphor: there's a character who's extremely myopic, and she's myopic figuratively (politically) as well as literally. The whole thing is about the social organization of appearences, as a situationist might put it (this is literally a "society of the spectacle.") The coincidence-heavy ending is the most disappointing aspect of the movie in narrative terms, but on the metaphoric level it's fine if over-optimistic. But then, hope is needed in these times.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:38 pm

Thanks for reminding me of Snake Eyes, Ouish. I haven't seen it since it was released, but you make a convincing case that it bears a second look.

by **OnoI812** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:51 pm

yes I. Snake Eyes is an excellent Cage flick. Another one that's even better is- Lords of War. Based on true events in the illegal arms trade, when he is finally busted , he has some amazing things to say to the cop that was hunting him all movie long. I'd say Cage is definetly a conspiracy nut...just look at his recent roles. on edit: Alex jones was blathering on today about the people from hollywood that call him up and talk for hours. He said this while discussing the Bruce Willis/Linklater thing, and he said these people are even bigger stars than Willis, right to the top most star in hollywood ... he almost let a name slip, but restrained himself...I wonder if he was talking about Cage? Depp? ...maybe Cruise? any guesses? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 7/19/06 4:04 pm

by **xsic bastardx** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:06 pm

I used to love Oliver Stone. I will never forget watching Natural Born Killers and listening to him tell the story of him Tripping on Mushrooms outside of Farmington, NM and writing that whole bit with the Indian and the Cop Scene. I mean, I know now how much cocaine he snorted writing Scarfcace. Who can forget JFK. He's made some good movies....and I like Alexander. I am not going to pass judgement cause I want to see this film. Flight 93 was a sham. I was telling people to go see it if they wanted to see the real Conspircay Thoery cause it never happend. Who knows, maybe the will omit fire refrences and leave it up to the viewer....I doubt it. Maybe they will have real Fireman Talking as script material.....I doubt it. How can you even make a movie about those Towers falling and feel credible but presenting it if you base it on Fire. Sorry.....doesn't happen. As far as Nick Cage, I bet he's nut....but if they do something odd with this movie, leave it up to the watcher to think about it in some way.....maybe. But I think They sold out.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:16 am

Any movie Nicholas Cage is in, like other guaranteed box-office draws, will be all mind virus. Re: Snake eyes- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Another example of sustained visual metaphor: there's a character who's extremely myopic, and she's myopic figuratively (politically) as well as literally.<hr></blockquote> Notice that the myopic is a She. That is in every movie, the discrediting of women, the most primal and relentless social engineering theme.

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:13 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Notice that the myopic is a She. That is in every movie, the discrediting of women, the most primal and relentless social engineering theme.<hr></blockquote> While I agree with you that a lot of discrediting of women takes place in the movies, I think it has a lot more to do with plain old garden variety sexism than social engineering. Sexism is everywhere evident in Hollywood, on and off the screen. Remember the stories about Dee Wallace-Stone and Steven Speilberg? Apparently, Wallace-Stone got kinda uppity during the filming of ET, (perhaps offering her opinion on something?) and supposedly Spielberg blacklisted her. Don't know for sure if this story is true, but DW-S never worked on a big budget film after ET. Don't even get me started on female roles in Spielberg films. Bond films treat women like pieces of meat, then and now. Very few women become real power players in H'wood. While "high-calibre" actors like Cruise seem able to pick and develop their own projects, actresses like Streep seem captive to whatever the bigwigs want to offer her, tho she has gotten plenty of plum roles. How many female directors are there besides Penny Marshall? Not many. Isn't it funny, or not, that A League of Their Own presented us with a diverse cast of strong female characters following their dreams in a mans' world and making it work? It was fun and poignant. Although I have loved many of Stone's films, like Platoon and JFK, his sexism is plain to see in his female characters. Remember Sissy Spacek in JFK? Classic non-entity role, with a little of the harpy thrown in, despite her talent. Juliette Louis in Natural Born Killers? Didn't see it, sorry, that sort of violence in movies is beyond my ability to watch. But I would hazard a guess that her role was subservient to that of Harrelson. Would it kill these people to offer up a female super-hero? My Super ex-Girlfriend is "needy, clingy, and possessive." Wow! she hit the trifecta of female stereotypes. Poor everyman Luke Wilson breaks her heart, and she breaks his everything. Sexism in H'wood has everything to do with the power-tripping, egotistical, insecure nerds that run the place. <a href="http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/07/jacobson_whacke.php" target="top">Get this</a>- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In the wake of her recent image upgrade as one of the shrewdest and most perceptive studio execs around because she told M. Night Shyamalan that his Lady in the Water script needed work (Michael Bamberger's description of their disagreement is the most riveting portion of The Man Who Heard Voices) and with hundreds of millions rolling into studio coffers from the recent success of Pirates 2, Disney -- of all the times to do this -- has axed Nina Jacobson as president of production and replaced her with marketing president Oren Aviv.<hr></blockquote> On edit- btw, Jacobson was at the hospital with her partner, who was giving birth to their baby, when she got the news that she had been fired. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 7/20/06 9:23 am

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:19 pm

Oh, and how could I have forgotten <a href="http://eddieonfilm.blogspot.com/2006/06/is-michael-douglas-male-chauvinist-pig.html" target="top">Uber-Misogynist Michael Douglas</a> Note this comment from the link: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>It's interesting, and noted within each movie in the article, that 3 of the 4 roles produced either a Best Actress Oscar or nomination. Goes back to the whole feeling that unless a woman plays a crazy "bitch" or a whore, she can't win an award. I've often felt this for a long time but I think I've also always attributed the misogyny that it seems like he is always playing older guy who very attractive younger women seems to want to be with. But then again, that is a typical Hollywood thing....<hr></blockquote> I seem to remember stories of MD demanding script changes to Fatal Attraction in order to make his cheating character more sympathetic, and that of Close even more deranged.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:26 pm

I really don't think this is due only to business male chauvinism, although that certainly 'helps.' Cough...Ahnuld...cough...groper... Meryl Streep is the wicked witch in 'The Devil Wears Prada' and was the Mom-churian Candidate as a Hilary Clinton character in the 2004 remake of that psycho-drama from 1962 with the Queen of Diamonds as the symbol of true evil. I really think it is part of the intentional-as-plumbing social control system of sanctioning behaviors that are desired by the National inSecurity State to get cannon-fodder and worker-drones. Men were in control in 1947 when CIA was created and still in control in 1951 when the Psychological Strategy Board was tasked with Total Culture War. CIA uses whatever group is in power as their controllers in other countries and that's probably what they did here, too. What a pleasant coincidence for them that this meant that Good Ole Boys get to keep everything but just for 'National Security.' Plus military recruiting and capitalist competition are fed by the testosterone worship. So all things considered 'femine' (co-operative, nurturing, peaceful, non-competitive) are enemies of the state. That includes: women, hippies, pot-smokers, France, nurturers, teachers, liberals, labor unions, anti-war activists, the arts, etc. Makes sense to me. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/20/06 7:32 pm

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Meryl Streep is the wicked witch in 'The Devil Wears Prada' and was the Mom-churian Candidate as a Hilary Clinton character in the 2004 remake of that psycho-drama from 1962 with the Queen of Diamonds as the symbol of true evil.<hr></blockquote> Which proves my point that even actresses of Streeps calibre often have to take what is offered, and often have no control or say in developing projects for themselves.

by **dugoboy** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:20 pm

exactly sunny. i was thinking about this about kiefer sutherland and the show 24 he is on. i mean i don't know how kiefer thinks, or what he believes but whenever i see him in my head i think 'boy he's a big tool for the neo con agenda' because thats exactly what 24 does. it tries to legitimize the complete lie that america is now apparently under terrorist threat by everyone, all the time and the legitimization of the use of torture. kiefer obviously sticks with 24 because its a 'good job' and it pays well. so in that way he has very little choice on the acting jobs he works on because this is the only one for him, the only one he's been offered, or else he's back to doing shitty action movies and back to being typecast as the villain's flunky goon. ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell

by **darkbeforedawn** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:29 pm

Sunny, I haven't watched that many of his movies, but one less well known one: Heaven and Earth had a very powerful female lead. I don't remember her name but the plot concerned the Viet Nam war and the woman's nightmare life during the conflict, her marriage to an American soldier and her eventual return to Viet Nam where she is reunited with her family before returning again to the US to found an organization to help heal the ongoing devastation of the war. It is a true story. The woman portrayed actually did in real life found an organization for the purpose of healing the psychic wounds of the war and helping the victims find peace with themselves and with the people who hurt them. It's a very powerful flick and this woman was awesome. I saw no mysogny here.

by **sunny** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:29 am

You are absolutely right, dbd. I stand corrected.

by **sunny** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:54 am

Kathy Griffing confirms the existence of a Spielberg <a href="http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/steven-spielberg/griffin-vs-spielberg-the-dakota-apology-147438.php" target="top">shit(black)list.</a>

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