by morganwolf » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:31 pm
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>One other observation about Zeigler: He was little people in this group if anything. His references to 'these' people contained as much dread in his description as threats to the doctor. Maybe this is why they sent him direct to deal with Cruise; he's rank was a low one, and subject to the performance of menial tasks like intimidation of potential threats to the group's secrecy.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>You're right on about this. I don't see Ziegler, for all his wealth, as being 'part of' this group. He is trying to move upward, though, which explains his rage at being made to "look like an asshole" because of Nick's disclosure of the ritual to Bill. His next degree of Masonry is at stake, perhaps, unless he can control Dr. Bill. Structurally, I see him as a mediator between Bill's world and that of the elite.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Alice's condition:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I agree with those of you who think Alice has repressed memory syndrome. When I first viewed this film, I was certain that Alice had been present at the ritual because of her uncanny ability to relate the details of it to Bill. My other hypothesis was that Alice was able to do remote viewing and 'saw' this while in an altered dream state. How could she have known what went on unless she'd been there, or someplace like it?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>3 Laughs of Alice -</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>I noticed there are 3 distinct instances where she laughs, and each laugh is slightly different in tone/duration:<br><br>1. When she's drunk on champagne, in the arms of the Hungarian. Short, self-conscious giggles, more or less flirtatious but it sounds like a much younger woman laughing in the presence of an older, more sophisticated man.<br><br>2. When she's stoned on pot, laughing at her husband's absolute belief in her fidelity ("No, Alice, I'm sure of you.") Out of control laughter, compulsive, 'fit-like', as if she never had pot before (although Bill tells us he's seen this before: "Now we get the fucking laughing fit, right?).<br><br>3. When she's dreaming about fucking other men and humiliating her husband (total recall, at this point?). Laughter is eerily long, drawn out, finally interrupted by Bill. Her shock upon awakening is immediate, as someone coming out of a trance.<br><br>None of these laughs, as they are situated, are healthy. Rather, they reflect a deep neurosis and possible pathology.<br><br>The rest of this post involves bits of stuff I caught last night, during yet another viewing.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Xmas trees, Marion, and the "feel" of old Europe:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>(My previous post from Helmetag's analysis provides the background on EWS's seasonal mise en scene):<br><br>Again, lit tree in nearly every scene. There is a even a Christmas tree in the dead guy's bedroom. Speaking of which -- the entire interaction with Marion was bizarre. She acts like a woman who is desperate for rescue. She appears to have no freedom or individual pursuits outside of duty to her father and to her fiance, Carl (for some reason, I thought he spelled it with a 'K' until I saw the screenplay). Carl is an odd sort; acts vaguely sinister, as though he controls her. Marion tells Bill he's a math professor and that they are moving to Michigan once they clear out her father's things. She would be more out of place in Michigan than NYC. Last, she reeks of 'Old Europe' - as do many of Ziegler's friends (Sandor). Another 'old European' is Milich (whose name was Gibson in the orginal screenplay).<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sonata Cafe:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>There is a sign on the wall behind Bill as he descends the stairway - "All Exits Are Final." You said it!<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Ritual/Somerton:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Does Mandy's headdress distinguish her as "the sacrifice" - she stands out among all the women in the circle? Was her death prearranged, as Ziegler insists? If so, she doesn't appear to know it. She warns Bill that their lives 'could be' at risk because of his interference.<br><br>I noticed that Nick is led out formally, after the orgy, down a long hallway, still blindfolded, his hand resting comfortably on the escort's arm. At this point, Nick is still "in the dark" about his impending punishment, but soon, he and Bill will face an almost simultaneous reckoning with the elite goon squad. (Are they twin opposites, as in Apollo/Dionysus?)<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Dr. Bill Harford, Hero:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I was struck by the hero-worship displayed by the women Bill interacts with in his "role" as a doctor. The first is Marion, who declares her love for him despite knowing nothing about him. The second is the model who thanks Bill for lending his hanky. The third is Mandy, who ends up sacrificing herself for him after he saves her at Ziegler's party. The fourth is Domino, who tells her roommate, Sally, about him. Presumably, she mentions the $150 he gave her even though the trick was never turned. The roommate conversation occurs somewhere between Domino finding out her HIV test results and leaving the apartment. Sally says: "You're Bill? THE Bill? You're the doctor who was here last night?" Only Alice sees Bill's flawed, human side.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Over the Rainbow:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>This is the knock your socks off part. I saw something last night that I'd never seen. In Bill's scene with Sally, Domino's roommate, a rainbow is projected across his back. A light is refracted in such a way that the rainbow stays across his back until he sits down at the table with her, to hear the news about Domino's HIV test. At the moment Sally breaks the embrace and BIll moves toward the table, the rainbow goes down, out of the frame.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lucky to Be Alive:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>I caught the irony of this headline the very first viewing. Almost thought it was too explicit. This time, I stopped the frame on the newspaper article to see if I could read the text. Whaddya know! It's possible to read almost all of it. The article mentions Amanda Curran's sister, who thought the death "must have been an accident" because she was very happy. It goes on to say there was no way of knowing if someone was with Mandy "at the time of her overdose" (*I think Ziegler might have been; how else did he know the door was locked from the inside? Classic Sherlock Holmes question.)<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Repetition theme mirrored in the newspaper's type-o:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>In the "Beauty Queen" article, there are two lines of text that are repeated, a type-o that mirrors the film's constant verbal repetitions. I saw the paper article twice and looked for this both times in case it was a goof! Sure enough, it was there in both scenes. First, when Bill reads the article, and again, when Ziegler looks at it. The lines of text are in the middle column, halfway down. The text reads exactly this way:<br><br>"It was unclear if anyone was in the room with her at the time she ingested the drugs.<br><br>her at the time she ingested the drugs"<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bill hears voices:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Mandy's voice over occurs in the morgue scene. "Because it could cost me my life, possibly yours." Bill then leans over, almost ready to (ritually?) kiss her. He stops, almost like he's snapping out of a trance, or some kind of programmed behavior.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bill's folded arm posture:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Dr. Bill folds his arms in a professional way when dealing with Ziegler and his other patients. In the end, he folds his arms in this fashion while walking through the toy store with Alice and Helena. He looks very strange standing around like that, and doesn't drop his arms until Alice 'cues' him that things will be okay between them. Then, his arms fall straight and limp.<br><br>That's it from me for a while.<br><br>Great stuff, amazing thread. Thanks to Ted the Dog for starting it and for all who've participated. I really enjoyed it. <p></p><i></i>