Kubrick

by **Sweejak** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:52 am

Arthur Schnitzler RHAPSODY A DREAM NOVEL Translated from the German by OTTO P. SCHINNERER <a href="http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_014/rhapsody.htm">www.greylodge.org/occultr...apsody.htm</a>

by **FourthBase** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:34 am

Reminds me... Shouldn't we be as appalled by and opposed to the ritual murder and pedophilia and slavery practiced by the ancients of various pagan and "civilized" cultures? Why give the ancients any slack, let alone revere them? Why shouldn't we hold the Greek philosopher-perverts to the same standards as today's child abusers? The brutal, enslaving, colluding patricians of Rome to the same standards as today's ruthless elitist ruling class? If they were fully cognizant human beings, possessing empathy and a sense of justice, then they should have known enough to be humane, and when they weren't we shouldn't applaud them. If they weren't fully cognizant human beings, then were they so culturally primitive that they might as well be retarded? Why perpetuate their legacy then? Take these ancients to court, judge them, reject some of them, reject a lot of them, they're bad role models, they believed and did a lot of wrong shit. Study them with no reverence or mercy. /random rant]

by **hanshan** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:43 am

<a href="http://northernway.org/early.html" target="top">Early Christianity</a> Paul created much of what is now modern Christianity. Many of the true practices of Yeshua's earliest followers, members of his Mystery School and Church of the Way, were ignored. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The differences between ancient, original, primitive Christianity and modern Christianity are profound. The doctrines of Christianity were created by Paul, and even the name Christianity was coined by this well-spoken Greek Jew with Roman citizenship who never met Yeshua in person.  Though Paul did later meet Peter and James, Yeshua's brother, they did not get along. The New Testament records tensions and downright disagreements among them. There was a famous conflict over circumcision, whether or not gentile men (who were never circumcised in those days) should have to undergo circumcision upon converting to the new Christian religion. This argument nearly tore the early church apart, and is recorded in Acts 15. In order not to alienate the thousands of new gentile converts, Peter and James, Yeshua's brother and the first Bishop of Jerusalem, actually take Paul's side in the debate. Rev. Stephen Andrew, one of our instructors says, "My commentary tells me that there is some dissonance between Luke's account of the story here and Paul's account in Galatians (cited above) Perhaps the interesting thing to point out here is the conflict within the new Church between Jewish Christians who want to preserve the old customs and the Gentile converts." <div style="text-align:center">-****-</div> The gentile converts were mainly Paul's from Greece and modern-day Turkey, and the Jewish Christians still lived in Jerusalem and modern-day Israel. After the destruction of the Temple the Jewish-Christians had to flee or be killed by the Romans. The "circumcision war" was settled in Jerusalem at an important first convocation of Christian leaders, Peter and James (Yeshua's brother) were there, and Paul travelled to Jerusalem from Turkey attend. This famous gathering of the earliest church leaders is now called the first Council at Jerusalem in AD 49. You can read the run-down of that meeting and the arguments that caused it, here... <div style="text-align:center">-****-</div> Paul was not intimate friends with Yeshua's original followers, students or family. <div style="text-align:center">-****-</div> Paul (and later writings attributed to him) influenced all of the early church fathers. We can consider them more followers of the Pauline teachings than Yeshua's. As for Paul, his writings are really a montage of several writers. <div style="text-align:center">-****-</div> …the letters which show marked misogyny (women hating) and other biases. Such as: Sex is bad, females are dirty. : Many of the church "fathers" sought out and destroyed most of the Gnostic texts that proved that Miriam, called Mary Magdalene, was Yeshua's wife and co-Messiah.  The Doctrine of Salvation : which says we humans are lousy, depraved beings in need of the shedding of divine blood to "save" us--was totally created by Paul (or writings later attributed to him). The doctrine of depravity of the flesh was from Plato, the most powerful influence on ancient thinking, including Paul. Neo-platonism furthered the idea of the corrupt dirty flesh which traps the clean spirit or soul. The body was to be subdued, chastized, even punished. Women, those lust-makers, are the lowest of the low, and don't even have souls. Hell: The Pauline teachings also helped to invent hell, a place unknown to Yeshua and the Hebrew religion. The Christian church fathers misinterpreted the Jewish parables of Gehenna, a shadowy "void" place of soul transition and departing, and turned Gehenna into Hell. Almost three hundred years after Paul, the Roman Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity, merged it with his favorite pagan religion, Mithraism, and made it the official Roman Catholic Church. See Mithras for the fascinating similarity between the two religions. The Devil : The "official" Christian Church concocted the image of a horned Devil. They gave him horns like Kernernos and Hern, harmless pagan gods of harvest and forest, who wore the horns as a mark of their kinship with the deer, cows, sheep and goats--all animals we "harvest" for food and/or dairy products, these are all animals with horns. The Church of the Middle Ages, facing stiff competition with the pagan religion, "demonized" these gods, saying they were really Satan. They gave Satan, (whose name comes from Shatan, the Hebrew angel of death, "adversary," and "obstacle") horns like the pagan gods of harvest, hoping to totally stamp out their worship. The old cry, "that's of the devil!" started way back then... <div style="text-align:center">-****-</div> Was Paul a misogynist homophobe or product of his times? Below are some intriguing points brought up by Sir Darius, Templar Knight and Mystery School Initiate. Since Isaac didn't have to die maybe Yeshua didn't either. God was happy with Abraham's offering of Isaac (and did not let him actual shed the boy's blood). So why would God then demand his own son's blood? Paul is the only original Christian writer credited with "inventing" this doctrine of Yeshua's blood sacrifice being required by the Father to "atone" for the world's sins. Maybe Paul missed the meaning of the Abraham story in Genesis? Maybe he was so used to seeing blood sacrifices all around him that the idea of Yeshua as the supreme sacrifice seemed to make perfect sense.<hr></blockquote> etc.,... ....

by **Light** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:31 pm

Simply amazing thread. I will add that of my dozen or so viewings of EWS, and after reading this thread, more discussion could be directed to the 'light' theme... That is, 'light' diffracted becomes a rainbow... Light reflected is a mirror... Light diffracted and reflected (distorted?) is a prism... Light moving is a movie. Repeated images of light. Light battling darkness (absence of light). Knowledge against concealment. Eyes that see see light. Literally. Eyes shut see darkness. In darkness, there is existence, of which only knowledge can see. Light is constituted of color(s). Full spectrum. The Illuminati is well,...you all likely know this. Eye of Horus sees all, knows all, so thus, sees in light AND darkness, and sits atop the pyramid... Isis and Osirus, too, right? There is another theme at play as well, and I love how someone else has read Berger's work, of which Kubrick would have undoubtedly been aware of (British author, series, time frame, cultural lens viewing)... That theme is masks...trying to separate the viewing from the viewer... voyeurism..secretly controlling the subject. How the nature of the knowledge of being viewed changes the viewing relationship...

by **cortez** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:45 am

Orgy And Bhagvad Gita Don't Mix! E-Mail this report to a friend A P Kamath in New York Eyes Wide Shut Bad karma is catching up with the late Stanley Kubrick whose films Lolita and A Clockwork Orange are perennial controversies. Now, his latest film, Eyes Wide Shut, has offended the ears of Hindus. <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/jul/24us3.htm">www.rediff.com/news/1999/jul/24us3.htm</a> "Parithranaya Saadhunam Vinashaya cha dushkrithaam Dharmasamsthabanarthaya Sambhavami yuge yuge... " which means: "For the protection of the virtuous, for the destruction of the evil and for the firm establishment of Dharma (righteousness), I take birth and am incarnated on earth, from age to age."

by **dragon feathers Jack** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:55 am

they are talking in Sanskrit during the Requiem Mass scene?! who here is from the imdb 2001 forum? weird and true story - before Kubrick died, as in just before it, my mother related to me that her friend had sat beside Malcolm McDowall in 1st class on some plane ride, and he talked to her about loads of things - including that stuff about Stan being bad to him onset. ever notice how he made 12 movies, then died during the 13th one........ <img src="http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/seveneleven/thats_not_Kosher.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **dragon feathers Jack** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:13 am

another problem there is that Hindu stuff is very much so entrenched in tantric sex practices, they have all kinds of palaces dedicated to things like orgies over in India. <div style="text-align:center">~photographing dead presidents since 1945~</div>

by **dragon feathers Jack** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:57 am

those long-nosed masks are in a couple of David Lynch films too - Fire Walk with Me and Mulholland Drive....... in the Twin Peaks film they are worn by that lady and her son - they come out of the photo on the wall in Laura Palmers room in Mulholland Drive they are (if memory serves) worn during the play scene (the 'Silenzio!' part). re: Light (same as 'Light' from the Bill Hicks forum by any chance???), or Lucy, whatever, - how about this? can you read this (some people say it needs a log-in to see it) or need i copy-paste it over to here for that to be a possibility, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120669/board/thread/31046548?d=31287879#31287879">www.imdb.com/title/tt0120...9#31287879</a>

by **Col Quisp** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:05 am

The Sonata Cafe is an anagram for O, Satan. Somerton for O, Monsters. This makes two O's, or two "eyes." The Eyes are unable to see the evil.

by **rain** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:37 pm

so give us a brief description of who Set is.

by **rain** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:32 pm

I don't think some here would make a connect between 'satan' and 'set' just one way of looking at this, is that to make that connection is to pre-suppose some sense of historical continuity. another is that the word 'satan' is bandied around by some to identify what might otherwise be termed 'evil' or the personification thereof, most often in an erroneouly ahistorical manner. and furthermore, it's a little difficult to tell at least some here that the 'evil' that they see and even experoence is 'just some guy that's got nothing to do with them'.

by **paradoxicalpariah** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:19 pm

This thread is great. I rewatched EWS this weekend and will again tonight after finishing the thread. Fascinating. When it was released I had my own eyes too shut to see that it was more than the marketing and critics made it out to be: a boring sex film with Cruise and Kidman. Has anyone else watched the interviews with Cruise, Kidman, and Spielberg on the DVD? It struck me that both Cruise and Kidman became overwhelmed with emotion and lost for words when asked about Stanley's death. They both expressed a feeling of surreality and disbelief that he could be dead. And Nic actually seemed a bit... afraid. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it almost seemed like they thought they were making a movie based on fictions only to see it come to life around them with his death. Also, Nic's comments on the laughing dream scene are interesting. I don't know what to do with Spielberg. His bungling of AI is unforgivable, whether it was purposeful or not I don't know. The first re-viewing this weekend, I feel like triggered me. I stopped the movie and restarted it later. This is one of a handful of movies that have seemingly triggered me and it is disturbing. While re-watching it tonight I plan on focusing on details and hidden images, in particular in the area where I became overwhelmed and shut it off the other night. Before I just let it wash over me without overly focusing on details. Another movie that had a trigger for me was Suspect Zero. The strange extended shot of the skull on the wall in Kingsley's apartment ( I think that's where it was, it's been a while since I saw it) had an overwhelming disassociative effect on me. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=paradoxicalpariah>paradoxicalpariah</A> at: 12/27/05 11:22 am

by **paradoxicalpariah** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:51 pm

I can't help but think it is no coincidence that after making this movie Cruise and Kidman divorced and Cruise started acting like an unhinged lunatic in public. Perhaps being a part of an unveiling of things previously not considered, even involving aspects of his religion he had not been aware of, became more than Cruise could handle.

by **paradoxicalpariah** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:38 am

New things noticed: In addition to the Sociology textbook, Domino has a book on her shelf entitled "Summons of the Mirror." When being followed by bald guy, Dr. Bill passes a metal door that reads "Findings." I can't remember the other thing... darn it! Should have wrote it down. : )

by **Sweejak** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:52 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Puck groaned as he felt the summons of the mirror. He was nearly finished crafting the magic flute and didn't particularly feel like catering to Oberon at the moment. The Child of Oberon suddenly stiffened as he realized that the summons wasn't from Oberon's Mirror, but from Titania's, the mirror that had been lost in the world of the humans and gargoyles. A porthole opened before him and tugged at him, pulling him through. Puck let out a gasp of pain as the cold chains of pure iron seared his flesh, binding his ankles together and his arms to his side. He fell to the floor with a thump then rolled onto his back, moaning in pain. The human sorceress who had done the summoning looked down in surprise at her prize. She knew that Oberon's Children often posed as gods and had been expecting a god-like being. She was startled to find she had summoned what appeared to be a very pretty young man instead. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/93wwn">tinyurl.com/93wwn</a>

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