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This is a good thing.

Postby Iroquois » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:26 pm

The Democrats are sweeping the House, Senate, and Gubernatorial seats, ending the single party rule by a party that had become synonymous with endless war, unrestrained executive privilege, torture, the national security state ...and that's just what they admit to in public. If this is a smokescreen, it's to cover the tactical retreat of the PTB.

Add this and Rumsfeld's resignation to the long list of victories we've had over the past several months: the "death" of Al Zaqari. Hezbollah's denial of an Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon; the number of US citizens who suspect government complicity in the 9/11 attacks topped 100 million, a frightening number for a potential lynch mob. And, then look what has not happened: no "terrorist" attacks to support domestic security programs.; no war with Iran, Venezuela, Korea, etc.; no major economic disaster that radically accelerates the transfer of wealth to the top of the economic pyramid; and no successful artificial depopulating event.

Oh, and remember this? Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance

Forgive me if I'm naive, but I think were winning folks. The tricks is not to let them regroup, but to press the advantage. With Democratic governor in New York. Are the chances for an investigation of the 9/11 attacks improved?


And, welcome to RI, norton ash.
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good points

Postby isachar » Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:04 pm

Iriquois, you make some good points. Most Dems who were elected/re-elected yesterday know that it was due to the public's belated repudiation of the Iraq debacle - which they turned against only after it became obvious to all but the brain dead that Bush/Rummy/Cheney and the PNAC's LOST.

Now, if there had been no insurgency (first Shia' then Sunni), how might the election have gone? Bush and the Repukes would have won hands down.

So, it isn't the fact that Bush led us into an illegal unjust, unnecessary war of choice for the wrong reasons based on doctored and phony 'intelligence', or that he ignored literally dozens of forewarings of 911, and his FBI actively supressed any investigations prior to then, and the 911 Comission was a cover-up operation from the word go. They voted against the Repukes because Bush lost the phony, unjust, illegal and unnecessary war. Not because he waged it.

That's it. And, that's not much to go on in terms of making any significant structural change in the f'd up situation we're in.

Will those same voters (or new Congressperson/Senators) support the repeal the 'Patriot' Act, the Military "Torture"/Comissions Act, and the John Warner Act that allows Bush to imprison American Citizens for giving 'aid' to anyone he considers to be a threat to the US?

If the answer to that is 'yes', then we can be hopeful. If not, we're still f'cked. Though it might take a couple more months or years for us to realize that's a broom stick up our rectums that's causing our discomfort and not some mild suppository.

I need to see the proof before I'm going to start waving my pom-poms.
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Re: It's a good thing.

Postby Iroquois » Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:55 pm

There is an insurgency, at least there is such a potent insurgency, because key members of the US command (mainly operating out of the White House) wanted one. The army was disbanded without pay but pretty much allowed to take their weapons with them. Many if not nearly all of the vast stockpiles of munitions around the country were not secured. Reconstruction jobs and funds went almost entirely to foreigners, not to the unemployed Iraqis. Al Sadr was persecuted but allowed to remain free and mobilize his own militia. The list goes on.

The insurgency is not their failure. Their failure was in promoting a greater war in the Middle East, of which the insurgency was part of the strategy. Though, I also believe that besides failing to expand the war, they have created a situation in Iraq that they never had any hope of controlling in the first place.

If they really had the goal of invading Iraq to turn it into the stated neo-con dream of a successful, prosperous democratic state then I'd have to admit that they are not as quite thoroughly evil as I take them for, only dangerously naive and idealistic. That, I suppose, would be another sort of good thing.

And, I agree, we need some major structural changes to ensure that we not only free ourselves of our current crypto-fascist state, but ensure that we don't get back to this point again for a very, very long time. But, this is one move among many, a few of which I mentioned above, in the right direction.

That doesn't mean it's time to wave our pom-poms, it means send in the cavalry to press our advantage.

The people like Jeff and the others at RI, that means keep up the good work.
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Postby smiths » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:33 am

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Chris Floyd: Been down so long...

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:46 am

Just when I was starting to feel a wee bit better...

Floyd summarizes most of what we've said in one form or another since Day 1. The last sentence is worth reading all the rest. Truly.

WML

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Election 2006: Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me

By Chris Floyd

11/08/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Ordinarily, the elevation of a gaggle of corporate bagmen, spine-free time-servers and craven accomplices of tyranny and aggression to the control of Congress would not be a cause for rejoicing. With a few notable exceptions, the Democratic Party has displayed nothing but cowardice and cluelessness over the past five years, betraying the interests of the American people at every single gut-check point in the long march to the self-proclaimed "Unitary Executive" dictatorship of George W. Bush. Whenever it really counted – Supreme Court nominations, tax cuts for the rich, the class-warfare nuclear bomb of the Bankruptcy Bill, the appointment of sleazy, third-rate officials such as torture-enabler and Constitution-gutter Alberto Gonzales to high office, and of course, the eager goose-stepping into the war crime of Iraq (which was, let us remember, approved by a Democratic-controlled Senate) – the Democrats folded, would not even go down fighting.

Is there any greater example of this than the vote, just a few weeks ago, on the "Military Commissions Act," the republic-killing measure that gave the president virtually unlimited, unchecked, unappealable powers over the life and liberty of every citizen? The Democratic "leadership" – now suddenly basking in media lionization – would not even mount a filibuster to defend the Constitution (not to mention the Magna Carta). Many Democrats actually voted in favor of ending the American Republic. (Harold Ford Jr. of Tennessee was one of these – and now he has reaped his reward: defeat. That's how it goes, Harold; you can make a deal with the devil, but he'll always cheat you in the end. You sold out the nation for nothing – and now Bob Corker, yet another feckless, faceless, money-grubbing tycoon will pollute the Senate chamber.) The MCA debacle was the last full measure of fear and servility from a group whose collective record is one long tissue of shame.

And yet, and yet…this is indeed a time – a brief, brief time – for celebration. For the fact remains that the Republican Congress is – as Matt Taibbi has detailed so forcefully – the worst in American history: corrupt, incompetent, dysfunctional, lazy, and ignorant almost beyond measuring. As often mentioned here, they are the very picture of the Roman Senate described by Tiberius, after they'd voted him yet another grovelling set of honors and powers: "Men fit to be slaves." The damage they have done to the nation, and the world, as the bootlicking handmaidens of George W. Bush and his militarist mafia is incalculable, and will go on producing foul repercussions for years, perhaps generations.

And so it is meet indeed that we praise the parting of these wretched fools from their dominance of the legislature. And even though Democratic control of one or both houses of Congress will certainly not usher in a new Golden Age of enlightened and noble governance, it would be churlish and wilfully perverse not to acknowledge that genuine benefits will accrue from the change. Giving subpoena power to Rep. Henry Waxman – one of the few Democrats who have served in opposition with honor, vigor and fire – is a mighty boon in itself, no matter how tepidly the Democratic leadership conducts itself in the months to come. Even though the Bush Faction has already promised a Nixon-style stonewall on every single investigation – and although Bush has already openly declared, in his "signing statements," that he doesn't feel bound to provide Congress with even routine information required by law – the probes launched by the new majority (or at least their bulldogs like Waxman) will doubtless produce many nuggets of truth from the Regime's mountainous slapheap of lies and secrecy.

And that's really all that we can expect at this point – or perhaps at any point. The Democratic leadership is a deeply embedded part of the Establishment; multimillionaires like our soon-to-be Speaker, Nancy Pelosi (who is probably richer than Bush) aren't going to seriously challenge the near-total domination of American politics and society by Big Business and wealthy elites. They may re-arrange the display a little, but they are not going to upset the golden applecart. So while we may see a slight goosing of the minimum wage, we will almost certainly not see a major rollback of the relentless rightwing assault on the rights, protections and well-being of working people and the poor. We can hope for some modifications of the bizarre and punitive prescription drug "reforms" imposed by the Bush Party; but we won't see anything resembling a national health insurance system, despite the majority of Americans in favor of one. We won't see a reinstatement of the safety net that was gutted, pre-Bush, by Democrat Bill Clinton. We won't see major reductions – or indeed, any reductions – in military spending from a party that has faithfully approved every cent of every "special spending bill" that Bush has submitted to finance his off-the-books wars. We won't see a lessening of international tensions from a crew that has spent most of the past year bashing the Bush Administration for not being bellicose enough in threatening Iran, and for not larding Israel with even more deadly weaponry to carry out its aggression in Lebanon and its increasingly frenzied decimation in Gaza. We will not see an immediate withdrawal from Iraq; at best, we will see a few tentative timetables based on unreal and unrealizable "benchmarks" produced by some grandly gassy "bipartisan agreement" based on the face-saving formulas of the "Baker Commission."

There is going to be no impeachment of Bush, even if the Democrats get hold of the Senate. There is going to be no criminal prosecution for the principal architects of the war crime in Iraq (and probably none of small fry either). There will be little or no rollback of the draconian strictures of the Patriot Act, which was overwhelmingly approved by the Democrats, or the many other measures – "national security letters," warrantless surveillance, etc. – introduced hugger-mugger by the "Unitary Executive." Indeed, we will be very lucky if the new Democratic leadership even revisits the Military Commissions Act.

So perhaps the best we can hope for is that Waxman and his fellow gadflies can use their new powers, for as long as they have them, to dig up as many fragments as possible of the dark truths behind the Bush Regime's crimes and incompetencies – so that these facts will at least be out there, they will be available for anyone who cares to know, just as the investigations of Iran-Contra, BCCI, and Iraqgate, for example, laid out the sinister character of the Bush Faction long before they returned to power in the Court-fixed election of 2000. Of course, the mainstream media ignored these past revelations during Bush's campaigns, but at least they were available to individual citizens. And with the internet, any new nuggets can be even more widely and easily distributed. (Assuming the corporately inclined Democrats don't ultimately cave in to the relentless assault on internet freedom by Big Business, that is.)

Naturally, the mainstream media will continue their years-long kid-glove treatment of the Bush Regime. Oh, they may be a bit more bold now; they may, occasionally, muster up the courage to call a lie a lie (or some more polite euphemism.) But for the most part, it will still be softly, softly with the Bushists, a reluctance to reveal their Beltway pals and inside sources as the fools and criminals they are. There will still the same cringing attempt to assure the greedy plutocrats, the hard-right haters of democracy, the putrid gasbags of hate radio and the sex-crazed cranks who call themselves Christians that the "liberal media" will continue to contort reality in order to produce a bogus "objectivity" that gives the lunatic fringe equal weight with reason, facts and common sense. (You can check out the obsequious wheedlings of ABC political news director Mark Helperin if you want to see the latter dynamic in action.)

Meanwhile, of course, you can be sure that every minute crumb of possible malfeasance, every atom of innuendo that can be inflated into an appearance of scandal, will be seized upon by a press now suddenly eager to flash its watchdog fangs at the newly powerful Democrats. And certainly, there will be plenty of corruption oozing from the nodes of patronage now available to the Democrats, and it should be remorselessly exposed. But, just as it's been since Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign, the vastly different levels of scrutiny that the media give to Republican and Democratic scandals (real or imagined) will be very marked.

Finally, we all must remember this: even if the Democrats were paragons of courage and wisdom, they will control only the legislative branch (or perhaps only part of it). The executive branch will remain firmly in the hands of the Bush Faction, a gang that has already shown its contempt for legislative oversight – even from its own sycophants – and has publicly declared that the president is essentially beyond the reach of law. In the openly stated view of the Bushists, Congress is a "quaint" appendage – like Tiberius' Roman Senate – fit only to ratify the arbitrary will of the Unitary Executive.

Also remember that the worst depredations of the first Bush Administration, the Reagan Administration and the Nixon Administration were all carried out with strong Democratic majorities in Congress (except for a brief period of Republican Senate control in the Reagan years). Even in "normal" times (if we have ever known such a thing), even with the opposition party in control of Congress, there is virtually no end to the mischief that the executive branch can get up to. Nixon and Reagan waged whole covert wars, killing hundreds of thousands of people, without the approval or input of Congress.

If anyone thinks the horrors of the Bush Imperium are somehow at an end – or will even be seriously impaired – by the results of yesterday's election, they have a harsh and bitter awakening to come.

But still – the political situation we have today is better than what we had the day before. In a period of such deep crisis in the life of the Republic, and (to draw on Noam Chomsky) in a system of power so massive and far-reaching, even a small change can mean very real benefits to a good many people. (And to many good people.) And in any case, we should raise a glass to the American people for standing up – amidst the hailstorm of lies and bullshit thrown at them – and giving George W. Bush a resounding slap in the face. Long may he stew in this great and well-deserved humiliation.

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My response to Pelosi's 'compromises.'

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:22 am

An uncle I correspond with characterised me as a "Robespierresque non-compromiser", perhaps good-humoredly, for being disgusted with Pelosi.

This poke at my alleged lack of pragmatism led to this response from me ----
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"I accept that you're a Robespierresque non-compromiser...but this country can't work that way..."

My dear uncle, Pelosi said there "won't be impeachment" of an
unelected
torturing
looting
mass-murdering
Katrina-ignoring
war criminal.

That makes her a declared terrorist supporter who
the (un)Patriot Act decrees a candidate for water-boarding,
a name for suffocating torture which a Fox News 'correspondent'
recently (Election Day eve) pretended to submit to
declaring afterwards "how quickly one recovers."

How ironic since Pelosi supported that Nazi legislation AND the NSA's surveillance
of you and me.

Perhaps your sense of "compromise" has been abused to
the point of unwitting complicity
if my being adamant about the Constitution,
the Geneva Conventions,
and basic human rights makes me
an unrealistic hotheaded radical in your eyes.

Now, you do have a dry wit so perhaps you're just playing
'less-dramatic-than-thou' while trying to enjoy the brief taste of change
before it loses its all too-subtle flavor.
Lots of folks are and don't want to be denied
the brief sweet indulgence before returning for their next
headline courtesy of Halliburton.

"Just pick out the shrapnel."

I'm not sorry to say that this country "can't work THAT way."
IranContra was whitewashed by Kerry and company
to 'prevent another Watergate/Church Committee' episode
during the Reagan years
and that's why the EXACT SAME CRIMINALS are
back in power being Nazis and attempting to install a
permanent war and police-state to enforce it.

We're STILL suffering under the Gehlen Organization!
Why? Because it keeps getting a "compromise" pass to continue "for
our good."

Bob Gates was part of the IranContra narco-terrorism
death squads and skipped free along with GHW Bush and others like
Gestapo Chief Negroponte.
Death squads. Just let the words roll off your tongue.
Death...squads.

Now Gates is the War Secretary and yet more war crime charges are about to be filed against Donald Rumsfeld in Germany. There's poetic justice, ay? Soon he'll be on the Henry Kissinger Memorial No-Fly List and only able to vacation in Wyoming.

Atrocity must be both stopped AND held accountable. Period. No compromise.
The cost of NOT holding fascists to account is
what we've been suffering for decades as their sickness grows
like an infection.

We must remember that both integrity and atrocity are contagious.

So the Statue of Liberty has a near-terminal case of 'flesh-eating disease' which goes by
the appropriately descriptive medical name of--
Necrotizing Fascitis.

Now THAT'S a name to remember.

Your father joined up during WWII and left the farm
for the Soloman Islands
precisely to stop the kind of people Pelosi is covering for, right?

Was my Grandpa a "Robespierresque non-compromiser?"
Or was he an anti-body against Necrotizing Fascitis?
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Re: My response to Pelosi's 'compromises.'

Postby isachar » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:17 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:An uncle I correspond with characterised me as a "Robespierresque non-compromiser", perhaps good-humoredly, for being disgusted with Pelosi.

This poke at my alleged lack of pragmatism led to this response from me ----
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"I accept that you're a Robespierresque non-compromiser...but this country can't work that way..."

My dear uncle, Pelosi said there "won't be impeachment" of an
unelected
torturing
looting
mass-murdering
Katrina-ignoring
war criminal.

That makes her a declared terrorist supporter who
the (un)Patriot Act decrees a candidate for water-boarding,
a name for suffocating torture which a Fox News 'correspondent'
recently (Election Day eve) pretended to submit to
declaring afterwards "how quickly one recovers."

How ironic since Pelosi supported that Nazi legislation AND the NSA's surveillance
of you and me.

Perhaps your sense of "compromise" has been abused to
the point of unwitting complicity
if my being adamant about the Constitution,
the Geneva Conventions,
and basic human rights makes me
an unrealistic hotheaded radical in your eyes.


Damn Straight! The large majority of this country had no problem with ignoring or just barely scrunching their noses up over a war of choice being waged for phony reaons based on concocted 'intelligence' widely perpetrated by shills in the government and media (Judith Miller is every bit as much a criminal as Cheney), in which thousands of US solidiers were sent to their deaths for nothing, tens of thousands of them have been injured, and 100's of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children have been been killed and perhaps as many or more injured, and god know how many tortured and abused. Not to mention the loss of much of the Bill of Rights and other Constitutional 'freedoms', saving them of which was one of the pretexts given to justify the phony war.

The Demo's better repeal the Patriot Act, the MCA and the John Warner Act that abolishes habeus corpus and prosecute the war criminals who perpetrated the war and those who enabled the torturers. I'm not talkin' 'bout the small fries here.
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