by Starman » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:20 pm
Heyia Peachtree Pam;<br><br>Gosh, thanks for sayin' you enjoy my posts. Likewise!<br>Tho as I've apologized before, I know I DO tend to ramble a *bit* and sorta think thru writing -- there's a LOT of posts I never send because to my mind they're too muddy. But thanks for being so gracious!<br><br>Geez-- That report -- I never even saw or heard of it -- apparently only relatively obscure, mostly web-and-alternative sources have reported it, among which Randy Fhodes and Canadian Globe and Mail. I did a google search but couldn't find more.<br><br>It sure seems mighty suspicious. I found a number of unofficial witnesses and 2nd-hand e-mail recipients who confirmed it, among them a Canary Tower worker who didn't work on the 7th but said all his workmates were talking about it and speculating on why no news reports. Sure seems like there WAS a shooting that's being covered-up. Why would they do that?<br><br>Some more info and thoughts below:<br><br>Apparently The Canadian Globe and Mail ran the same story, reported by a New Zealander working for Reuters as told to him by two colleagues who witnessed the shooting.<br>Randi Rhodes discussed this unconfirmed shooting on her webcast (and now satellite) radio show. Some 304 google hits, but few independant sources. The below story confirms this report, however:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45423">www.unexplained-mysteries...opic=45423</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>This was also reported by callers to a London radio show.<br>London 94.9 has a morning show 9 till 12 hosted by John Gaunt,its a phone in show where members of the public call in and talk about London issues,usually imigration,politics and the general state of the country.Im sure the splendor us getting the Olympics was probably on the agenda but instead we had a nasty surprise that morning.<br><br>On the 7th the show only featured callers who were involved in the choas,traffic info and people basically trying to figure out what was happening.<br>At 10.20ish many callers phoned,emailed and texted to say the've just seen 2 men being shot and killed by Police at Canary Wharf? Who knows? <br><br>***<br>From Liberty Forum board, posted by Rearguard:<br>The Power of Nightmares <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm>">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...55686.stm></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. <br>**<br>This just in from impatient. The Israeli company ICTS runs the security of the London Underground. <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=293779187&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1>">www.libertyforum.org/show...vc=1&t=-1></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> These are the same people who disappeared the 9/11 airport videos at Logan airport (with Israeli mugs on them). <br>****<br>Posted on wikinews:<br>This is a bit “a friend of a friend”… A colleague of mine spoke to two friends of his who both work at the Wharf. Independently they confirmed the shooting, having both seen the snipers and the event. 81.133.208.151 12:55, 9 July 2005 (moved from redirected talk page Uncle G 9 July 2005 13:19 (UTC))<br>**<br>Another interesting wikinews post, not specifically about the shootings but talking to the larger issues of the US/GB history of frame-ups, related to the 'naming' of the bombing mastermind:<br>--quote--<br>Was it a Frame Up????<br>The question must be addressed by anyone who wants to make sure the real killers are brought to justice. The history of frame-ups by government cabals is not a "conspiracy theory"..it's just plain history. e.g. [[3] <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Resolution>">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gul...esolution></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->]... that ruse cost the lives of 68,000 American servicemen..then there is [[4] <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.justicedenied.org/issue/issue_25/brandon_mayfield.html>">www.justicedenied.org/iss...ield.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->] and [[5] <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html>">www.guardian.co.uk/usa/st...0,00.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->]. The point,in my opinion, is that the people,the voters, have to actually do some research and think about the story our governments put forth.<br>Now, here is the problem I have with el-Nashar being identified as the mastermind of a band of "clean skins". The known and agreed upon facts are; 1. this man is smart 2. this man has been in Egypt for some time 3. he denied being connected to the bombers and everyone who knows him finds it hard to believe 4. a pile of expolsive materials were found in his bathtub in London.<br>These 4 facts do not compute for me. A;If he is smart he wouldn't leave or have left the explosive crap in his bathtub unless he wanted to get caught. B;If he wanted to get caught, why deny what he did? C;Since he was in Egypt for so long there would have been lots of time to plant explosive crap in his bathtub. D;If he was a terrorist, why would he be teaching at a madrasa school? Isn't that like wearing "I'm a terrorist" flag?<br>Now finally, and this will require some research in order to confirm or refute, (unless one prefers to just resort to name-calling)Britain and the USA(and likely most governments) for 2 centuries have had foreign policies which include and embrace frame-ups in order to move their populations in a particular direction and or to obtain strategic positioning geographically.<br><br>For some inexplicable reason I read a book by Walter Russell Mead of the U.S. Council of Foreign Relations [[6] <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cfr.org/bio.php?id=3495>">www.cfr.org/bio.php?id=3495></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->] titled "Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How it Changed the World"[[7] <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375412301/qid=1121542783/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9210223-0846263?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>">www.amazon.com/exec/obido...&n=507846></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->] a book that showed how much of a mushroom I really am; a book which shows that not only do many western leaders know about and accept the war engineering and racial/religious/culteral hate engineering accomplished by frame-ups..they actually believe it is now America's duty to conquer the world and that the end justifies the means. Which explains to me..finally.."why are american troops in Iraq,Kuwait,S Korea,Saudi Arabia,Cuba etc.etc.etc." It's not because the american people want them to be there; it's because the people like Kerry and Bush and Mead want them to be there.<br>WHY??? Because it takes 2 to make a war;so you have to have an enemy; and the easiest way to make an enemy is to move next door and have a bunch of weapons pointed at his kids; imo. But, prove me wrong..read this f___ing book that Meade wrote; and see our western history in a brand new light. Paulrevere2005 </wiki/User:Paulrevere2005> 20:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)<br>Retrieved from "<<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Coordinated_terrorist_attack_hits_London>"">en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk...s_London>"</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>****<br>Posted on Bangingtunes forum:<br>*<br>Yeah I work for HSBC but wasn't in the tower at Canary Wharf, however everyone was talking about it yesterday. No news about it though which is strange.<br>***<br> Nasty, dirty, hard beatz7/8/2005 4:00 PM NEWReply I heard this yesterday but DAC Brian Paddick confirmed that it was an untrue rumour<br>***<br> if you please.7/8/2005 4:00 PM NEWReply Yup, one of the people I heard this from works in the place and couldn't believe that it got zero coverage....as usual boys and girls....there is much more to this whole thing than meets the eye.<br>***<br>I heard this yesterday but DAC Brian Paddick confirmed that it was an untrue rumour<br>**<br>That's even more interesting...especially as one person I spoke to was in there and apparently saw it happen.<br>We will never know the truth about this but in my opinion it's another load of fucking money orientated bollox.<br>**<br>AND, for a glimpse at how utterly, willfully ignorant and proud-of-it some folks are, somebody actually posted:<br>*<br>it wouldnt suprise me much if they target the wharf <br>i think its jelousy lol their country is all sand and mud huts and caves and they hate seeing the developed civilised world doing good for themselves <br>*<br>!!!!???#! What can ya say?<br>*****<br>On <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.syzygyjob.net/warissues/messages/105916.shtml,">www.syzygyjob.net/warissu...916.shtml,</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> viz posted the NZ Herald story has since disappeared. <br>***<br>Starman sez:<br>How odd. 'Nothing here, folks!' <br>Over 8000 people at the towers told to stay away from the windows for hours, and independent e-mails from folks who witnessed the shooting, while the London police deny it? Did they shoot a couple innocent civilians and are covering it up, or as horrible, a couple of set-up patisies that got suspicious and cold-feet, who while under surveillance were then killed to remove loose ends? If the police DID shoot suicide-bomb terrorists, wouldn't they be anxious to tell the public and show what a great job they were doing? This just doesn't smell right.        <br>**<br>On sensiblerection someone posted:<br>Phyctup said @ 4:59am GMT on 11th Jul <br>Actually, my girlfriend's bosses daughter (If that doesn't sound like beginning of an urban myth I dont know what does.....) witnessed something similar. Apparently the suspected terrorist was attempting to board one of the river boats people were using to get home. The police asked him to hand over his bag and he wouldn't so they shot him. He may have been a terrorist or he may just have been trying to conceal his stash of porn, who knows? <br>***<br>And here's an 'odd' posting in wikipedia on terrorism in 1996:<br>January: Provisional Irish Republican Army plants a bomb that police defuse at the Canary Wharf towers in London. <br>*<br>Apparently, Canary Wharf has a LOT of historical and cultural/economic significance -- It would have definitely been a huge symbol as a terrorist target, so one wonders:<br>from:<br><br>The Significance of Canary Wharf<br>Canary Wharf Tower and the HSBC World Headquarters<br>Canary Wharf is not just an office scheme. It has had impact at the local level, at the metropolitan level and, to a lesser extent, at the national level.<br><br>The most immediate impact of Canary Wharf has been to massively raise land values in the surrounding area. This means that the Isle of Dogs, which had previously been seen as suited only for low density light industrial development, has been up-rated. Projects like South Quay Plaza and East India Dock are a direct consequence of this. More recently, Canary Wharf has opened the path for other developments in East London such as Stratford City and Greenwich Peninsula. It has given fresh impetus to already well established residential construction, especially of middle class owner occupier apartments and townhouses.<br><br>At the metropolitan level, Canary Wharf was - and remains - a direct challenge to the primacy of the City of London as the UK's principal centre for the finance industry. Relations between Canary Wharf and the Corporation of London have frequently been strained, with the City accusing Canary Wharf of poaching tenants, and Canary Wharf accusing the City of not catering to occupier needs.<br><br>Canary Wharf's national significance comes from what it replaces: The former docks were, as recently as 1961, the busiest in the world. They served huge industrial areas of east London and beyond. Both the docks and much of that industrial capacity are gone, with employment shifting to the kind of service industry accommodated in office buildings.<br><br>In this respect, Canary Wharf could be cited as the strongest single symbol of the changed economic geography of the United Kingdom.<br><br>Its symbolic importance was bleakly demonstrated in January 1996, when the IRA planted what was at the time the largest bomb yet seen on the mainland, with almost three tons of explosives. It was safely defused. Later that year, they successfully detonated a slightly smaller bomb at nearby South Quay DLR station, killing two people and destroying the South Quay Plaza development and several nearby buildings.<br>*****<br><br>Just speculating -- I lean towards terrorist-patsies who had second-thoughts and were gunned-down before they could escape. But if they were wearing explosives vests, then they couldn't very well have been patsies, like the other bombers might well have been. So, were they gunned-down in a case of mistaken identity, and the police are covering-it-up to spare embarrassment and inflaming racist tensions -- Could you imagine headlines, 'Police Squad Guns Down, Kills Innocent Muslim Civilians' -- "We thought they were Islamofascist Terrorists instead of workmen," says Police Chief David Wilborough. "Too bad -- sorry 'bout that! But we wuz just doin' our jobs!"<br><br>Yah, I can imagine why there might be a news blackout.<br>Very, very odd tho.<br>Thanks for the heads-uP!<br><br>Regrdz;<br>Starman<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>