unaltered wrote:The comparisons are not valid unless one has a profound ignorance about the unique Nazi experience. Making such facile comparisons, cheapens the actual events and ideology and as such is antisemitic in the extreme whether one thinks they are doing it for some higher purpose or not. It all comes down to choosing gutter strategies or not.
Profound ignorance about the unique nazi experience? What utter bullshit. How was it unique?
Constantly tossing around the term "antisemitic" has rendered the term meaningless.
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GM Citizen wrote:Profound ignorance about the unique nazi experience? What utter bullshit. How was it unique?
Well, if it wasn't unique, what's to stop you from calling everything "Nazi" then? Kinda loses its punch though. Read history much?
Constantly tossing around the term "antisemitic" has rendered the term meaningless.
That would be similar, were it not that anti-Semitism is a lot narrower in scope than Nazism. Says Wikipedia: Anti-Semitism is prejudice and hostility toward Jews as a group. By contrast, most people who like to toss around Nazi comparisons usually pick one distasteful aspect of their adversary and then say that the Nazis did the exact same thing.
Eldritch wrote:If there were as many true “friends of Israel” as those who claim to be, less time would be spent attacking comparisons between Israeli and Nazi behavior and more time denouncing the many atrocities of the Israeli regime, which have made those comparisons seem so valid—and to so many around the world.
The comparisons are not valid unless one has a profound ignorance about the unique Nazi experience. Making such facile comparisons, cheapens the actual events and ideology and as such is antisemitic in the extreme whether one thinks they are doing it for some higher purpose or not. It all comes down to choosing gutter strategies or not.
Eldritch wrote:If there were as many true “friends of Israel” as those who claim to be, less time would be spent attacking comparisons between Israeli and Nazi behavior and more time denouncing the many atrocities of the Israeli regime, which have made those comparisons seem so valid—and to so many around the world.
The comparisons are not valid unless one has a profound ignorance about the unique Nazi experience. Making such facile comparisons, cheapens the actual events and ideology and as such is antisemitic in the extreme whether one thinks they are doing it for some higher purpose or not. It all comes down to choosing gutter strategies or not.
I can't think of a single instance when comparisons between "the Jewish people" and "Nazis" would be appropriate. What's more, I don't even think there is a single valid comparison to be made between the ethno-religious group known collectively as "Jews" and the vile socio-political group known as "the Nazi Party."
But, as much as certain alleged "friends of Israel" want to conflate the two, "the Jewish people" and "the government of Israel" are two quite different concepts.
When one factors in the genocide, undertaken by the government of Israel against the Palestinian people—which continues today, unabated—I think the manipulative and craven attempt to conflate "the world's Jewish population" with the despicable actions of "Israel's government" is the little-discussed and very real anti-semitism that should be most troubling to people of good will everywhere.
Eldritch wrote:If there were as many true “friends of Israel” as those who claim to be, less time would be spent attacking comparisons between Israeli and Nazi behavior and more time denouncing the many atrocities of the Israeli regime, which have made those comparisons seem so valid—and to so many around the world.
The comparisons are not valid unless one has a profound ignorance about the unique Nazi experience. Making such facile comparisons, cheapens the actual events and ideology and as such is antisemitic in the extreme whether one thinks they are doing it for some higher purpose or not. It all comes down to choosing gutter strategies or not.
You forgot to add "For me"
The sentiment goes a lot further than me and the big thing is this; you won't find that POV on fascist hate sites like you will the other POV.
nomo wrote: By contrast, most people who like to toss around Nazi comparisons usually pick one distasteful aspect of their adversary and then say that the Nazis did the exact same thing.
Which country (at war/invasion) has done none of what Germany did during WW2? I'm afraid Israel isn't on that list. At least not from what I have read. Perhaps you've read something else entirely.
Would you prefer that we look to the Turks for comparisons? Should we start using ZioTurks? Would that make you feel any better? It just doesn't have the same zing, know what I mean? Maybe ZioStalins?
Pretty much anything WW2 is gonna be off-limits soon.
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Eldritch wrote:If there were as many true “friends of Israel” as those who claim to be, less time would be spent attacking comparisons between Israeli and Nazi behavior and more time denouncing the many atrocities of the Israeli regime, which have made those comparisons seem so valid—and to so many around the world.
The comparisons are not valid unless one has a profound ignorance about the unique Nazi experience. Making such facile comparisons, cheapens the actual events and ideology and as such is antisemitic in the extreme whether one thinks they are doing it for some higher purpose or not. It all comes down to choosing gutter strategies or not.
You forgot to add "For me"
The sentiment goes a lot further than me and the big thing is this; you won't find that POV on fascist hate sites like you will the other POV.
You mean all the way... to nomo and back?
Do you consider this a fascist hate site?
If so, I suggest you contact the site owner Jeff Wells, with documented instances of anti-Semitism and order him to include it in the terms and conditions and tell him if he doesnt, this PROVES he is a hate-filled VIRULENT anti-Semite and you will arrange for the ADL to prosecute him and send him to jail.
Eldritch wrote:I can't think of a single instance when comparisons between "the Jewish people" and "Nazis" would be appropriate. What's more, I don't even think there is a single valid comparison to be made between the ethno-religious group known collectively as "Jews" and the vile socio-political group known as "the Nazi Party."
But, as much as certain alleged "friends of Israel" want to conflate the two, "the Jewish people" and "the government of Israel" are two quite different concepts.
When one factors in the genocide, undertaken by the government of Israel against the Palestinian people—which continues today, unabated—I think the manipulative and craven attempt to conflate "the world's Jewish population" with the despicable actions of "Israel's government" is the little-discussed and very real anti-semitism that should be most troubling to people of good will everywhere.
Thank you. This should go without saying but critics of Israel find themselves, over and over and over and over and over, having to defend themselves against charges of anti-semitism when it is the atrocity apologists who are the ones who should be defending themselves.
Searcher08 wrote:You mean all the way... to nomo and back?
Do you consider this a fascist hate site?
If so, I suggest you contact the site owner Jeff Wells, with documented instances of anti-Semitism and order him to include it in the terms and conditions and tell him if he doesnt, this PROVES he is a hate-filled VIRULENT anti-Semite and you will arrange for the ADL to prosecute him and send him to jail.
It's not the site which is repeating fascist, hate site talking points; merely individuals and few at that. I certainly have never seen Jeff do so.
