Coming Soon - War with Iran?

[Nordic]

War with Iran would be the climax to the Oil Wars and would settle things once and for all.

There are those who desire exactly this.

Look at the map and realize, if you were one of those Evil Overlords, you'd be thinking "the only thing in the way of complete domination of the region is that FUCKING IRAN!!"

So. Hopefully the smarter people in the room will prevail, which honestly is what has happened thus far.

It's just so sad that people who are just your basic "moderate war mongers and criminals" are the ones who we're trusting with keeping this thing from turning into World War Four.

I mean, the real evil bastards are HOPING Iran makes a nuke and shows it off. And they would gladly HELP Iran get such a nuke.

[The Consul]

There is no way to know a war. It is not a person, or a pet. There was a girl who survived Hiroshima who remembered seeing a woman, her clothing burned off of her, her flesh a smoking orange stew, dripping off her bones as she walked toward the girl with her eyeballs dangling from their sockets.
What is the price of our undying allegiance to Israel?

[Elihu]

are HOPING Iran makes a nuke and shows it off. And they would gladly HELP Iran get such a nuke.

uhh was just wondering, the whole "nuke" thing is just a memetic farce no? does its childlike simplicity not give it away? persia likened to a rabid dog on chain? the ultimate irrational/unreal pang of scare? the heck of it is, a nuke could in reality go off anywhere anytime. just a matter of which contractor/agent gets tapped for the honor....

[Searcher08]

There is no way to know a war. It is not a person, or a pet. There was a girl who survived Hiroshima who remembered seeing a woman, her clothing burned off of her, her flesh a smoking orange stew, dripping off her bones as she walked toward the girl with her eyeballs dangling from their sockets.
What is the price of our undying allegiance to Israel?

I hate the Iranians for making us kill their children. Do you think we WANT to turn their nation into a radioactive hell pit? We did everything we could not to, but it was THEIR FAULT, soi dont blame Israel, little Israel is the true victim in all this.

This is a price that is worth paying, for supporting our friends, the only democracy in the Middle East. Sometimes it is needed to exterminate a nation in order to bring freedom to it. If we didnt act, people could have died.

[Bruce Dazzling]

[StarmanSkye]

Some critical little-known (wonder why? -Rhetorical Question-) background info on WHY Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East" (sic) today, and why Iran is the favorite whipping-boy protagonist of the US's talking-head warmonger punditocracy who never saw an incestuous oil-industry and Military Industrial Complex association they couldn't justify as in the National Interest and which reflected the very best features of 'freedom' and a "free market" bringing jobs, wealth and progress to the best-damn nation on God's green-fading-to-gray Earth -- while spreading the message of what a wonderful thing democacy was.

-- Specif, Some very intricate details about the CIA's Operation Ajax that sabotaged Iran's vigorous and expanding democratic legacy -- and which coup-project became the CIA's base model for political transformation in scores of dozens of nations around the world over the almost 60-years since -- with similiar catastrophic long-term results.

It STILL burns my ass makes me clench my fists in exasperation and causes me to metaphorically retch in disgust when I see/read some ignorant toadying-boob self-righteous arrogant reality-deficient conceited fool pile onto the "Bomb Enemy Iran!" bandwagon who has absolutely NO comprehension of the ugly dirty history of US's cynical treachery and betrayal of Iran which was also a betrayal of basic American principles, AND also have as little curiousity or even the slightest interest in it.

Anyway, I figured since the usual-suspects have been busy ramping-up their malicious saber-rattling against their perennially-favorite foe Iran that this 2-part backstory to the intrigue that made it all not only possible but arguably necessary would not be out-of-place.

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[vanlose kid]

Author Jeffrey Goldberg suggests Obama would act militarily against Iran if he were persuaded Israel was at critical risk.

... Appearances can be deceiving — especially in a fake democracy that draws its very breath from deception.

Simon Tisdall in the Guardian is not interested in telling you the truth, but something else entirely.

I mean what the hell is this supposed to mean exactly;

Having fluffed his lines on Afghanistan, climate change and the Arab spring, he is under growing pressure to fulfil his pledge to prevent Iran obtaining nuclear weapons.

He's telling me the Obama presidency has been a failure without specifying what those failures were exactly.

Still, I believe we might learn something from reading between his lines.

A test indeed! What must Obama do to pass his "test?"

They have backed Obama into a corner. They have made his presidency increasingly difficult in order to convince him he has no option.

Tisdall's piece is preparatory propaganda. The narrative is that Obama was under tremendous pressure to attack Iran, so he did so, and then his political career was over. That is the narrative they are selling you. And I guess that may be what happens if they get their Iran War Wish. Still, all their wishes have backfired so far, so perhaps all we need is a little, or even a truckload of Faith.

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x-act-ly

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[Simulist]

But the fact remains: when all the smoke and bullshit are cleared away, there is no rational reason for attacking Iran, and the US simply cannot afford to do so.

Alice, truth be told, I love you. (But fear not! — for, behold, I am gay. And very, very married for a long time to the guy.) That said, I probably differ with your assessment here, although I do hope that you're the one who's right about this, not me.

My reasons are simple, and threefold:

(1) Although I agree that "there is no rational reason for attacking Iran," the United States does not appear to require any "rational reason" for any of the nutty things it's been doing (for whomever it's been doing those nutty things).

(2) I also agree that "the US simply cannot afford" to attack Iran; however, the grandmasters who've been running the show with the US really don't seem to care one whit for the true welfare of the United States or its people, choosing instead to wield this powerful nation-state as one might wield a weapon of war (or a powerful chess piece). If the battle axe breaks in the course of scoring the final victory at endgame… well, it breaks. (The same holds true, even if the second most powerful piece is lost in a chess game… you know, for "strategic reasons.")

(3) Whether we are at endgame right now is my only question — not whether a form of Manifest Destiny has been operative in the strategy we've been watching unfold for the past sixty-odd years now (and much more in recent years). This didn't hit home with me until I looked at a map of the region. The strategic locations of these various countries suggest — strongly to me — future moves on the grand chessboard.

Pawn structure, the control of key squares, tactics and strategy — it's all been pretty classic.



But, as I say, I sincerely hope that it is you who are right.

[Hammer of Los]

I'm just hoping these guys;

http://zeek.forward.com/articles/116455/ and

http://zeek.forward.com/articles/116292/

Don't carry out their alleged scary crazy plans to arrange for the nuking of Jerusalem as part of their alleged nwo plan.

I dunno.

It's just some crazy conspiraloon stuff I read on Rense back in the day I think. I forget, I have a poor memory. Crazy stuff can't be true.

I'm making this shit up as I go along, as you can probably tell.

But that idea has been bugging me for years. I worry that someone, somewhere is busy turning the jews into the ultimate scapegoat.

I'll pray for you Alice.

Good luck everyone.

[AlicetheKurious]

Whether we are at endgame right now is my only question — not whether a form of Manifest Destiny has been operative in the strategy we've been watching unfold for the past sixty-odd years now (and much more in recent years). This didn't hit home with me until I looked at a map of the region. The strategic locations of these various countries suggest — strongly to me — future moves on the grand chessboard.

Pawn structure, the control of key squares, tactics and strategy — it's all been pretty classic.

Ah, but I guarantee you that the Iranians are much better chess players than the Americans -- they invented the game, after all!

What you see in the map is what you are prepared to see: you can choose to believe that the US is closing in on Iran via its two neighbors, Iraq and Afghanistan. Or you can believe that on the contrary, Iran has managed to dramatically expand its influence at the expense of the Americans, in both countries. In fact, the Americans, at great cost to themselves and to the two countries in question, have so far only succeeded in effectively neutralizing Iran's enemies in Iraq and in Afghanistan and handing both nations on a silver platter to Iran, which is busily reaping the benefits, along with its ally China (another really good chess-player).

No doubt all the parties involved have many more moves planned.

The game ain't over yet, but who's winning? Depends on who you ask.

[Hammer of Los]

If they attack Iran I have a horrible feeling it will end very badly for Israel.

I'm very sorry to say that.

I pray for the Jews.

The more I think about it the more the bad feeling arises. It's not good.

Que sera sera.

It's in other's hands.

Sorry for rambling, I just thought one or two of my dear friends might like to hear my thoughts. I could be wrong about that.

I love you all anyway.

[justdrew]

all it comes down to is: Israel gets permission to fly in, blow up a few pre-agreeded upon locations, Iran's leadership collects it's under-the-table payments for a few years, while aboveboard... status quo is rapidly restored after a round of faux-saberrattling. Israel looses two unpiloted planes in the raid, as agreed upon.

[Hammer of Los]

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Thanks Justdrew, for trying to calm me down.

You are very kind.

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[semper occultus]

Ah, but I guarantee you that the Iranians are much better chess players than the Americans -- they invented the game, after all!

In fact, the Americans, at great cost to themselves and to the two countries in question, have so far only succeeded in effectively neutralizing Iran's enemies in Iraq and in Afghanistan and handing both nations on a silver platter to Iran, which is busily reaping the benefits, along with its ally China (another really good chess-player).

...all true but that assumes their opponent is also playing chess rather than a double or quits crap-shoot.....

continued US uni-polar hegemony has clearly ceased to rely on anything much fundamental at the political or economic level other than the military gap ( at present ) with China & the fact the euro-bloc is even more structurally screwed ( at present ) than the dollar.....a bit more turmoil & fitna in the ME may make perfect sense in denying resources to ones rivals to the extent the ME is perceived as becoming a chinese oil-lake...thought this was quite interesting :

U.S. Becomes Net Exporter Of Fuel For First Time In Nearly 20 Years
First Posted: 05/ 3/11 04:28 PM ET
www.huffingtonpost.com

According to data from the Energy Department, starting last November -- with the exception of the month of January -- the U.S. began exporting more petroleum products than it imported.

....and ofcourse they got shale-gas too......

otoh...any Iranian concessions in negotiation are only gonna happen if they absolutely genuinely believe they're looking down the barrel of a shit-load of nuclear bunker-busters....you're more likely to hand over the family jewels to the twitchy, sweaty gunman with the mad-staring eyes.........ot-other-oh mebbe it IS all kabuki for the proles...

[Sounder]

I'm with you justdrew, there are scripts that must be followed after all.