20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

[JackRiddler]

Bostrom suggested three possibilities: "The chances that a species at our current level of development can avoid going extinct before becoming technologically mature is negligibly small," "almost no technologically mature civilizations are interested in running computer simulations of minds like ours,” or we are "almost certainly" a simulation.

He forgot the fourth possibility, "Even a technologically mature civilization" (whatever that is) "interested in running computer simulations of minds like ours" (whatever those are) "won't be able to make punching a philosopher in the nose* feel quite this good."

* Oh, okay, let's just drop an apple on his head.

His hubris seems to be (I didn't read the paper) to jump over the matter of creating such a simulation with the attendant feel of being a living a body, as if it would eventually be a trifle for a "technologically mature civilization" to accomplish. I suppose it would be a lot easier if using actual living brains in vats, but then those would be real, as opposed to one-one-zero-one-zeros.

My own hubris is that I'm certain I'm real. And will have been, once it's over.

Then again:



I found that one looking for this one, which I was reminded of by the writeup on Bostrom:



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[Hammer of Los]

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He forgot the fourth possibility, "Even a technologically mature civilization" (whatever that is) "interested in running computer simulations of minds like ours" (whatever those are) "won't be able to make punching a philosopher in the nose* feel quite this good."

* Oh, okay, let's just drop an apple on his head...

Then again:

You want to punch a philosopher on the nose?

You better watch out for my whirling twin handed sun block then.

I mean, you wouldn't want me to go all dark lord of the sith on yo ass.

And don't think I forgot you were mean about Star Wars.

On the other hand, that cartoon above sums up how I feel most of the time.

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[elfismiles]

Perhaps this was posted previously... circa 2010.

Holographic Universe : Are we all Avatars ??
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo ... _Avatars_/

George Knapp welcomed physicist Jack Sarfatti for a discussion on cutting edge scientific concepts like the "holographic universe" theory. He explained that this theory postulates that the universe is one giant hologram being created by a conscious computer which exists in the future. "In this theory, we are all 'avatars' in a certain sense," Sarfatti said, referencing the blockbuster film which mirrors this concept. He contended that, while this idea may seem radical, it is being given serious consideration by academia. "It's not just me, it's a network of the greatest minds on the planet," Sarfatti said of the researchers who are investigating the "holographic universe" theory.Sarfatti theorized that this concept could connect to an incident from his youth where he allegedly received a phone call from a computer claiming to be aboard a flying saucer in the future. He explained that the robotic voice told him that he was among 400 "bright young minds" chosen to be taught by these forces. Skeptical of the call, Sarfatti remembered that he was "scared but fascinated." Upon accepting the option of receiving this education, the voice told him to wait on his fire escape for an incoming UFO due to arrive in ten minutes. Sarfatti rounded up his friends and they waited for the craft, but nothing arrived. Interestingly, the voice also told him that, in 20 years, he'd meet some of the other youths who were chosen and, two decades later, Sarfatti was invited to visit Stanford Research Institute where he met such luminaries as Hal Puthoff, Edgar Mitchell, and Russell Targ. Biography:Jack Sarfatti graduated with a BA in Physics from Cornell and later earned a PhD in Physics from the University of California. He has been working on the post-quantum physics of consciousness and the paranormal since he directed the famous Esalen Seminars in 1976. He is also working on the connection of the warp drive physics of flying saucers to the new cosmology observations of anti-gravity dark energy. WikipediaThe holographic principle is a property of quantum gravity and string theories which states that the description of a volume of space can be thought of as encoded on a boundary to the regionpreferably a light-like boundary like a gravitational horizon. First proposed by Gerard 't Hooft, it was given a precise string-theory interpretation by Leonard Susskind who combined his ideas with previous ones of 't Hooft and Charles Thorn. As pointed out by Raphael Bousso, Thorn observed in 1978 that string theory admits a lower dimensional description in which gravity emerges from it in what would now be called a holographic way.In a larger and more speculative sense, the theory suggests that the entire universe can be seen as a two-dimensional information structure "painted" on the cosmological horizon, such that the three dimensions we observe are only an effective description at macroscopic scales and at low energies. Cosmological holography has not been made mathematically precise, partly because the cosmological horizon has a finite area and grows with time.The holographic principle was inspired by black hole thermodynamics, which implies that the maximal entropy in any region scales with the radius squared, and not cubed as might be expected. In the case of a black hole, the insight was that the informational content of all the objects which have fallen into the hole can be entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon. The holographic principle resolves the black hole information paradox within the framework of string theory.

Read more: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo ... z2OTT332YD

Rogue Science & Soviet UFOs
Date: 02-21-10
Host: George Knapp
Guests: Jack Sarfatti, Paul Stonehill

In the first half of the program, George Knapp welcomed physicist Jack Sarfatti for a discussion on cutting edge scientific concepts like the "holographic universe" theory. He explained that this theory postulates that the universe is one giant hologram being created by a conscious computer which exists in the future. "In this theory, we are all 'avatars' in a certain sense," Sarfatti said, referencing the blockbuster film which mirrors this concept. He contended that, while this idea may seem radical, it is being given serious consideration by academia. "It's not just me, it's a network of the greatest minds on the planet," Sarfatti said of the researchers who are investigating the "holographic universe" theory.

Sarfatti theorized that this concept could connect to an incident from his youth where he allegedly received a phone call from a computer claiming to be aboard a flying saucer in the future. He explained that the robotic voice told him that he was among 400 "bright young minds" chosen to be taught by these forces. Skeptical of the call, Sarfatti remembered that he was "scared but fascinated." Upon accepting the option of receiving this education, the voice told him to wait on his fire escape for an incoming UFO due to arrive in ten minutes. Sarfatti rounded up his friends and they waited for the craft, but nothing arrived. Interestingly, the voice also told him that, in 20 years, he'd meet some of the other youths who were chosen and, two decades later, Sarfatti was invited to visit Stanford Research Institute where he met such luminaries as Hal Puthoff, Edgar Mitchell, and Russell Targ.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/02/21

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[Canadian_watcher]

this is bullshit. anyone with half a brain knows there's exactly a 50% of everything!

[FourthBase]

Real talk: There's a 100% chance this theory is just a fancy-ass ploy from Bostrom to normalize us to the concept of permanently uploading ourselves into the worldwide virtual simulation of his misanthropic postbiological transhumanist fantasies. And by "permanently uploading ourselves into the worldwide virtual simulation of his misanthropic postbiological transhumanist fantasies", what I mean is, mass suicide/homicide, either coerced or seduced, the willful extinction of our species and perhaps all life on earth, the Final Solution to the Human Problem. He cloaks it all in a humanitarian concern about nuclear war and global warming and asteroids, exactly like someone who expresses despair that your house may someday be destroyed in a flood, and then suggests that you just burn the whole house down today, just in case, and assures you the house's smoky vapor will continue to live on eternally in the ethersphere, and then you realize with horror that all along he's been a psychopathic arsonist, or at least a very mentally-retarded arsonist, one that happens to have a doctorate but so what because at least the conventionally mentally-retarded don't want to exterminate the human race in a digital holocaust. If I may be allowed yet another stream of profanity: Fuck this fucking ghoul. Purely hypothetical: He might be in the top 3 of any hypothetical list I would ever recommend to any dangerously-unstable and well-armed psycho as a substitute for his or her random and/or wholly-innocent targets, and only if I were ever absolutely forced, of course, god forbid, to recommend any alternative targets whatsoever and I was somehow barred from just detaining such a psycho and promptly delivering him or her to the proper authorities. Bostrom and his ilk are a world-class long-term threat to the future of civilization, the future of humanity, the future of life itself. Approximately as much of a future menace, ironically, as the climate change and nuclear apocalypse and asteroids which Bostrom exploits as scenarios to try to steer us toward the computerized annihilation of his sick, twisted dreams.

[Hammer of Los]

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He contended that, while this idea may seem radical, it is being given serious consideration by academia. "It's not just me, it's a network of the greatest minds on the planet," Sarfatti said of the researchers who are investigating the "holographic universe" theory.

Jack's too kind.

Black holes and revelations.

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[justdrew]

fourthbase, here's a good treatment of the subject of machine bodies
(it's dubbed and poor resolution, but if you can't find it elsewhere, it's good enough)
the subject is also dealt with in other Leiji Matsumoto works, any and all of which are fine works that should be seen

[FourthBase]

Interesting. Just having read the wiki-synopsis, it sounds like...
A scenario we should avoid at nearly all costs.

Sorry, won't be watching it. No offense, drew.
I shield myself from unnecessary nightmares.
Besides, I can already imagine worse fates.

[justdrew]

Interesting. Just having read the wiki-synopsis, it sounds like...
A scenario we should avoid at nearly all costs.

Sorry, won't be watching it. No offense, drew.
I shield myself from unnecessary nightmares.
Besides, I can already imagine worse fates.

well, you may have got that through the wiki, but it's not so much horror, in fact, I find it brings about direct emotional contact with that which opposes such nightmares, it really rings the bells for humanity, and as one explores the extents of his works, well, I find them almost holy in a way. The 999 is a powerful symbol of the unyielding continuity of the human spirit and our inherent eternal struggle.

anyway, it's a kids show!

the machine empire is like the borg, but rather than take over by force, they SELL the conversion to people as they infiltrate a ramshackle and corrupt human civilization

[justdrew]

as long as I'm expounding OT on the OP RE the above, anyone else ever check out Leiji Matsumoto's various works?

[Mask]

[Pele'sDaughter]

A rebuttal.

[tazmic]

The paper:

Relating Doubly-Even Error-Correcting Codes, Graphs, and Irreducible Representations of N-Extended Supersymmetry

http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.0051
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0806.0051v1.pdf

layperson readable article here:

http://www.onbeing.org/program/uncovering-codes-reality/feature/symbols-power-adinkras-and-nature-reality/1460

It seems to me that he is conflating the representation of his classification procedure with his Super symmetric framework. (Similar to someone thinking that the universe has to perform calculations when you throw a ball.)

"The Shannon extended check sum code is an example of one of these things. These are the codes that we find buried in the equations. Not just any code but these self dual error-correcting block codes. It's quite remarkable for anyone that I have talked to, we have no idea what these things are doing there."

They are not buried in the equations, they are a necessary part of his classification procedure for correctly formulating the symmetric irreducible representations that generate the equations. In fact, are his results surprising at all?

"This unsuspected connection suggests that these codes may be ubiquitous in nature, and could even be embedded in the essence of reality. If this is the case, we might have something in common with the Matrix science-fiction films, which depict a world where everything human beings experience is the product of a virtual-reality-generating computer network."

Now I really have no idea what he's talking about.

[tazmic]

He's also confusing information theory with coding, presumably because they share the word 'code'.

If these "codes" are to be taken as anything like computer code, then they could be different, right?

But his thesis, and entirely deductive paper, have nothing to do with with the programmable.

[justdrew]

by why would it be necessary to encode error-correcting bits in a code contained in an equation?

Calling it "computer code" is too general and leading, it's a binary sequence that appears to conform to the rules for an error-correction marked up sequence. Remove the error correction then and read out the binary sequence. Is the endianness of the sequence obvious? Word size? Most likely it's just an artifact of how the equations are written. and so meaningless.

Still, it's darn neat. Need to look into it a bit more