How Bad is Global Warming Denial?

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Perspectives. It's almost impossible to impart with any lasting effect in such an impermanent life in someone bound by the constraints of capitalism, development, materialism the nature of things. We're all trapped in our circumstances but it is not completely gone insofar as hope as long as an empathy and curiosity can be the "go to" mood within the global society. But this is a slender hope. All we can do is keep with it.

Yes, runaway greenhouse effect. Climate change has been predicted for as long as I have been alive. Once it starts, it will not stop until it reaches its own equilibrium. It just may not bode well for life as we know it today. We are less than a blink of time.

[dada]

Yeah, I don't mean to say that it's too late, or that the situation is totally hopeless, so we should all just give up on protecting our natural environment. I just think the idea that there will come a time in the near future where we cross an ecological event horizon and fall into the black hole of planetary extinction can lead to a kind of apocalyptic thinking, making science seem like a religion, and I don't think that helps science. Crossing the runaway greenhouse effect line is a danger in the future, but it's also in the past, and it's also right now, every moment. It's like ecology, everything effects everything. Time is a web like that, too.

So it's really just that I'm trying to free the scientific mind from any religious overtones, linear traps, so it's free to think as clearly as possible. Because I just don't think things are that simple, they're infinitely complex, they need the scientific mind to be as sharp as can be. The situation is hopeful and hopeless at the same time. Science needs to be free to look at things from every angle. Difficult cases of cause/effect, problem/solution need all the power that the scientific mind can muster, and the answers may be found in unexpected places.

[American Dream]

“Die Early and Often”: Being Attis in the Anthropocene


“Isis and Osiris” by Susan Seddon-Boulet


At the end of the world, we are called be the flames … to be the ashes … to be compost … to be the Dying God.

This isn’t a very hopeful response, I know. But as Robinson Jeffers wrote,

“Hope is not for the wise.”

It’s not exactly a hopeless response either, though. It’s a kind of hopeful hopelessness or hopeless hopefulness.

“Hopelessness is the limit and beginning of a new kind of hope. You have to keep going–not to achieve dreams of beautiful mountaintop forests, but because life is more powerful than death. Hopelessness makes possible new hope, a faith in the basic tissue of life that is stronger than any disaster.”

— poet and Radio Free Iraq host, Naseer Hassan, as quoted by Roy Scranton in “Back to Baghdad: Life in the City of Doom”

https://godsandradicals.org/2018/08/29/ ... -progress/

[hanshan]

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2018/oct/08/ipcc-climate-change-report-urgent-action-fossil-fuels-live


IPCC climate change report calls for urgent
action to phase out fossil fuels – as it happened

UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says coal-fired electricity must end by 2050 if we
are to limit global warming rises to 1.5C


Summary:

The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only 12 years to be kept
to a maximum of 1.5C and avoid catastrophic
environmental breakdown.

The authors of the landmark report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) said urgent and
unprecedented changes are needed to
reach the target, which is affordable and feasible
although it lies at the most ambitious end of the
Paris agreement pledge to keep temperatures between 1.5C and 2C.

Debra Roberts, a co-chair of the IPCC working group, said: “It’s a line in the sand
and what it says to our species is that this
is the moment and we must act now. This is the
largest clarion bell from the science community
and I hope it mobilises people and dents the mood of complacency.”

Political leaders have been urged to act on the report.
Christiana Figueres, the former UN climate chief who
led the historic Paris agreement of 2015, said: “There is
nothing opaque about this new data. The illustrations
of mounting impacts, the fast-approaching and irreversible
tipping points are visceral versions of a future that no
policy-maker could wish to usher in or be responsible for.”

That is it from the liveblog. For all the news and reaction
to the IPCC report please follow our coverage here.


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[DrEvil]

I'm (not) looking forward to the usual suspects crawling out of the woodwork to obfuscate and distract, as usual. Had a look over at the Daily Heil, and the article was surprisingly level-headed (new editor I think), but the comments were the usual depressing horseshit. Volcanos! The sun! Humans can't affect the planet! The opinion pieces should be good for a laugh.

Anthony Watts hasn't had time to draw up a hit piece yet, but I noticed he's already laying the groundwork by attacking the raw data.

I expect the sexual harassment case against the previous head of IPCC to get a ton of coverage to distract from the report.

[Cordelia]

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2018/oct/08/ipcc-climate-change-report-urgent-action-fossil-fuels-live


IPCC climate change report calls for urgent
action to phase out fossil fuels – as it happened

UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says coal-fired electricity must end by 2050 if we
are to limit global warming rises to 1.5C


Summary:

The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only 12 years to be kept
to a maximum of 1.5C and avoid catastrophic
environmental breakdown.

The authors of the landmark report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) said urgent and
unprecedented changes are needed to
reach the target, which is affordable and feasible
although it lies at the most ambitious end of the
Paris agreement pledge to keep temperatures between 1.5C and 2C.

Debra Roberts, a co-chair of the IPCC working group, said: “It’s a line in the sand
and what it says to our species is that this
is the moment and we must act now. This is the
largest clarion bell from the science community
and I hope it mobilises people and dents the mood of complacency.”

Political leaders have been urged to act on the report.
Christiana Figueres, the former UN climate chief who
led the historic Paris agreement of 2015, said: “There is
nothing opaque about this new data. The illustrations
of mounting impacts, the fast-approaching and irreversible
tipping points are visceral versions of a future that no
policy-maker could wish to usher in or be responsible for.”

That is it from the liveblog. For all the news and reaction
to the IPCC report please follow our coverage here.


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Thanks hanshan....a very sobering report.

October and another day of 80+ degrees. I talked to a friend who believes climate change is bullshit and that what we're experiencing in Washington environs is 'Indian Summer' (which wouldn't be accurate anyway since I.S. follows a seasonal cold snap & frost and we're experiencing only continued summer heat well into fall).

[DrEvil]

Aaand Wattsupwiththat has their first hit-piece up, bemoaning all the talk about tipping points (no, I'm not providing a link to that fucker). They obviously have problems differentiating between the words "can/may" and "will". But hey, let's keep kicking the ball down the road. We'll just all move to Mars if the worst predictions come to pass.

[DrEvil]

Stupid motherfuckers.

White House committee to reassess climate science conclusions: report

By Michael Burke - 02/24/19 01:17 PM EST

The Trump administration is planning to create an ad hoc group of federal scientists to reassess and counter the government's conclusions on climate change, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

The National Security Council (NSC) initiative would feature scientists who challenge the seriousness of climate change and the degree to which humans are the cause of climate problems, three unidentified administration officials told the Post.

The Post reported that the plan was discussed by administration officials on Friday in the White House Situation Room.

It is considered a modified version of NSC senior director and climate change denier William Happer's plan to create a panel on climate change and national security, according to the newspaper.

The NSC declined to comment to the Post.

At the Friday meeting, deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman said President Trump was upset that the federal government last year released the National Climate Assessment, the Post reported.

The National Climate Assessment warned that climate change could have devastating effects on the economy, health and environment and that current efforts to counter climate change were insufficient.

Trump has been outspoken in doubting the effects of climate change, sometimes calling it a hoax. Following the release of last year's climate assessment, Trump said that he didn't "believe" the report's findings.

“Yeah, I don’t believe it,” Trump said at the time

“I’ve seen it, I’ve read some of it, and it’s fine,” he added.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... onclusions

[brainpanhandler]

"People worth watching"

[Iamwhomiam]

"People worth watching" would be better named, "People you should keep your eye on."

[JackRiddler]

I believe I shall change this thread title to something more generic and neutral sounding, and it will become the official thread for debating this, while the other one will stick to the topic of "How Bad is Global Warming?" Any strong objections?

[brainpanhandler]

Fine by me.

[Iamwhomiam]

7 pages in 5 years or 3 pages in 9 years?

How Bad is Global Warming Denial?

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38884&start=90&hilit=how+bad+is+global+warming+denial

The climate change denial industry

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33290&hilit=how+bad+is+climate+change+denial