'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

[Belligerent Savant]

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There is no just cause for ‘climate alarm’. Weather is subject to fluctuations, historically (though I do not rule out that regional/locational weather may well be influenced by certain technology. This is already acknowledged under ostensibly beneficial aims, as reported by mainstream press [climate/geo-engineering, etc]).

I really don't get this. You're all aboard with us having technology for geo-engineering, but you're still refusing to accept that the total output of industrialized civilization and human activity can change the climate? They both work on the same principle - release things into the atmosphere to change the weather/climate - except the latter is several orders of magnitude larger. We are geo-engineering the climate, that's why people are worried.

Emissions are NOT notable drivers of weather fluctuations, no (excessive emissions without regulation/guardrails will have detrimental impact to ecology/the environment, but that's a wholly separate issue). There is no sound evidence of human-based emissions altering the climate in any way that would result in 'imminent' detrimental fluctuations, despite years of programming and blatant propaganda. We can refer to the 'climate change' active thread here to delve into that further.

Re-directing to some of the ostensible 'clean tech' offerings out there (and the incremental steps being pushed by govts to force these -- wasteful, not merely ineffective -- 'solutions'):

@GreyER_13

This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car. To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore



You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt

To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite

The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.

The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most.
The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are:

Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000–$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000–$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)

It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach 'net-zero' CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.

And finally, my new friend, Michael, made some excellent points: I forgot to mention the amount of energy required to process the raw materials and the amount of energy used to haul these batteries to the U.S. sometimes back and forth a couple of times.

But by all means, get an electric car. Just don't sell me on how awesome you are for the environment. Or for human rights.

Dr. Sharnael Wolverton Sehon
http://Drsharnael.com

https://x.com/GreyER_13/status/1789576147690299635

[DrEvil]

Assuming all those numbers are correct, this one paragraph really says it all:

It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach 'net-zero' CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.

Over the average lifetime of an EV it has three years worth of reducing your carbon footprint.

An ICE vehicle never reaches net-zero, they pollute all the time all the way, and you can't recycle the materials to make new fuel, which you can with an EV battery. You don't have to dig up new metals for each new battery, but you do have to dig up new oil each time you want to refuel your ICE.

I would also like to see the equivalent numbers for the materials that go into fueling an ICE vehicle. What does it take to build a platform and get it out in the ocean, or to set up a fracking operation? How do you get the oil from the extraction site, refine it, and then to the gas station? What kind of fuel does your average fuel truck run on, and how many miles do they drive each day on average? How many coups and wars and bribes and assassinations to get the production licenses? How much nature and wildlife destroyed in the process?

I'm gonna be an optimist and say you're interested in knowing the answer to that because you want to present the best argument possible to support your case, so I'm waiting with baited breath for you to dig up those numbers.

Edit: holy fuck, this "Dr." (naturopath and minister) is something else. She sells, and I shit you not, cards with pictures of crystals on them.

Raise your frequency without carrying 80 crystals in your handbag! These are the only cards synchronizing the energetic power of crystals, essential oils, and decrees. Get ready to raise your vibration and activate your miracles.

You know that crystals hold frequency. Well, photos of crystals hold frequency, too. So carrying a card has power…and it doesn’t need to be cleaned or cleared.

I'm going to have to request a second source for those numbers. Preferably someone who isn't completely fucking insane and/or a shameless grifter.

[stickdog99]

Covid crimes pale in comparison to geoengineering crimes

[Belligerent Savant]

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I'll have more to add later, but for now, I'd like to thank Rex for his comment on the first page.

Which comment, and why?

Scrolling back a page, his first paragraph essentially reads:

1. Eugenics is already here, and will expand;
2. Earth is beyond carrying capacity.


Re: point 1: agreed. It's been here under varying guises for some time, and appears to be kicking into the next gear.

Re: point 2: i'm agnostic leaning on disagreement that we're 'beyond carrying capacity'; certain data points are showing trends in the opposite direction.

I also am quite distrusting of the overarching premise that an excess of 'average' (non-wealthy) humans is the primary problem.

This image offers a glimpse of one of the drivers of our collective ills, which counters the 'excessive population is the reason we're fucked' theory:



Welcome arguments otherwise, however.

I double-down and re-emphasize my comments above, typed in 2020.

The first couple pages of this thread are actually informative in displaying the various forms of (false) programming we — even here in RI — absorbed without much scrutiny or discernment.

I’d like to believe a number of us have since re-visited and re-assessed thinking on the true nature of our collective ills, for they surely are not:

“Over-population” or “excessive C02” (or any related ‘climate alarm’ rhetoric).

And: many localized ‘natural disasters’ are increasingly conjured via geo-engineering/related manipulations.

I’ll add one more, which I believe may irk a subset among you, still:
“Pandemics” are wholly manufactured. All of it: the initial forecasting/warnings, the blatant propaganda associated with any of them, the faulty statistics/criteria, the brazen fear-mongering, and perhaps most importantly: the mere notion of a flu-like ‘pandemic’ to begin with. It is all smoke & mirrors, misdirection and fraud masquerading as “science” (a recurring theme in this era of ours).

This current-era manipulation of “science” has been extremely effective — especially among the more affluent and/or “highly educated” classes — in achieving (to this point) mass consensus on agendas/aims/legislation that are actually to the collective detriment of populations.

[Grizzly]

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Strongly agree with everything you've written BS, and I'll go further. I think these fire's we are getting every fricking summer now, for the last 6 or 7 year's are straight up methodical organized arson along with the chems trails in order to push an agenda. Strategy of Tension Gladio shit.

[Belligerent Savant]

(Double-post)

[Belligerent Savant]

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Strongly agree with everything you've written BS, and I'll go further. I think these fire's we are getting every fricking summer now, for the last 6 or 7 year's are straight up methodical organized arson along with the chems trails in order to push an agenda. Strategy of Tension Gladio shit.

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What is the main source of ignition for wildfires in Canada?

While human activities are responsible for the majority of wildfires worldwide, lightning-caused wildfires have a significant impact in Canada. Canada experiences approximately 3,000 wildfires ignited by lightning annually. These lightning-caused fires make up half of all wildfires and result in the majority of the area burned in Canada. Lightning strikes can occur throughout the year, but in Canada are most common during the hot and humid summer months, particularly in July and August.

https://www.canadawildfire.org/wildfirefacts


Of course the actual figure may vary per region and/or year, AND: as expected with almost all mainstream news of note, claims of arson have been coded ‘right-wing’ ‘conspiracy’ in part because Canadian conservatives and Trump dutifully perform their assigned roles in suggesting/claiming arson as a primary factor, thereby assuring strong rebukes of any ‘arson’ claims by those reflexively repulsed by any statements uttered by Orange Man. It’s part of his assigned role.

The masses have become easily programmable Pavlovian dogs.

[Harvey]

Completely agree with both of the above two posts. The reactionary instincts instilled by Team Sports are deep, reflexive, ingrained and very powerful. As we've seen here on RI, most particularly since 2016.

Negative Endorsement is a useful tool in the system armory, examples of which include the 'assassination attempts' on Trump, inflating his share value as 'outsider' or harming troublesome individuals on either 'team' by endorsing them through unpopular and divisive figures. Let's say George Bush endorses AOC*, he can hurt her among Democrats, or if Mamdani were to endorse Thomas Massie, it could damage Massie further among Trumps remaining base, and so on.

I know you two (and others no longer posting here) understand this perfectly, but those still caught up in either colour of the Uniparty system (which encompases all of the EU and all of the Five Eyes) can be easily directed, as you say BS, very much like trained dogs.

Perfect examples of reactionary response: Assange, Climate, Pizzagate, Russiagate, Trans, Covid, Jan 6, etc etc. Manufacturing a semblance of consent is still necessary to put the trained dogs to sleep or set them to attack each other. If we ever formed a multi-national cohesive pack against the ruling class/deep state, we, the people, would be the most dangerous obstacle to the curent power in existence. Hence the constant unceasing divide and rule.

Divide and rule killed RI.

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[Belligerent Savant]

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Spot-on/ astutely summarized, Harvey (and not merely because -- at least in this instance -- you largely agree with my sentiments).