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Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:15 pm
by brainpanhandler
82_28 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:51 am wrote:
In fact, I think we should "invite" various strains of right wing thought and "dress them down" for practice and get to see what makes them tick.
Right wing? Sure. Fascist/racist/sexist? No. I've had enough of that in my lifetime. Perhaps it's some failure on my part that I cannot turn such people around one iota, but I don't think so and I'm not inclined to blame myself for being unable to get someone to question whether Sean Hannity is a good source of information, as an example. Many people on the right are beyond the reach of reason and really only deserving of derision and ridicule. Wishing it were otherwise will not make it so.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:18 pm
by seemslikeadream
American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:37 am wrote:Here is a common sense approach to improving R.I.:
bluenoseclaret and jakell should go. Sounder and Searcher should change their act wrt running interference for such odious characters. Those few who play a (
somewhat) lesser role in such defensive strategies should focus more on supporting the posting guidelines that Jeff and others gave us, rather than undermining them.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:53 pm
by American Dream
The responses to my post only serve to amplify my main points. We can definitely make a better R.I., but we do need to deal more effectively with the racist/fascist type posting- be it more or less honest and open- and the knee jerk defense of such postings here.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:57 pm
by seemslikeadream
American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:53 am wrote:The responses to my post only serve to amplify my main points. We can definitely make a better R.I., but we
do need to deal more effectively with the racist/fascist type posting- be it more or less honest and open-
and the knee jerk defense of such postings here.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:04 pm
by American Dream
I would say that identifying a racist as... a racist... can be- and most often is- right action. And bluenoseclaret surely is one of the most blatant racists around these parts...
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:05 pm
by seemslikeadream
American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:04 pm wrote:I would say that identifying a racist as...
a racist... can be- and most often
is- right action. And bluenoseclaret surely is one of the most
blatant racists around these parts...
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:10 pm
by jakell
Don't I get a mention alongside BNC this time?
Seriously, some sort of scale of levels of (crypto) fascism might be useful. I would like to know where I stand.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:19 pm
by American Dream
Jakell is a more slippery advocate of fascist/racist type ideas- and probably too arrogant about his crypto/third positionist trickery...
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:24 pm
by jakell
I haven't advocated any such ideas, and you will be unable to cite anwhere that I have, hence me not bothering to ask you for citations.
As to me being arrogant... probably so, such a thing would be a matter of opinion.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:24 pm
by coffin_dodger
Could some sort of vote be arranged on whether a Fascism/saluting/stomping/balaclava-wearing/insignia sub-forum be created?
Seeing the multitude of threads devoted to this consistantly at the top of GD gives the impression that RI is pretty much swamped by fascists.
I think it may be detering some people from joining or partaking.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:25 pm
by brainpanhandler
For the record you seem to be compiling and so there is no misunderstanding, that comment was not directed at you, obviously, as can be read here and discerned with little to no effort:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=38255
This was already pointed out to you when you claimed it was directed at you. You would think that since you have already been made aware of that error that if you were going to continue to refer to the Solace quote then you would make sure people understood who it was being directed at. Not providing a link makes it look as though you are intentionally trying to mislead people. but I suppose it was just an honest oversight. I'm sure you regret the error.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:29 pm
by seemslikeadream
you are WRONG...I regret nothing even you calling me crazy ...I wear it as a badge of honor
go ahead ask solace who he was talking to...since he didn't say in his reply....that's the way he does things around here
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:31 pm
by jakell
coffin_dodger » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:24 pm wrote:Could some sort of vote be arranged on whether a Fascism/saluting/stomping/balaclava-wearing/insignia
sub-forum be created?
Seeing the multitude of threads devoted to this consistantly at the top of GD gives
the impression that RI is pretty much swamped by fascists.
I think it may be detering some people from joining or partaking.
This would no doubt lead to an influx of such types and the
actual dearth of them might make one wonder if the outside world really is full of these types, or why they are suspiciously absent.
Note, this thread is not even titled in this way, and yet here you all are again.
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:32 pm
by American Dream
Simply saying, "you are WRONG" means nothing, if you don't back your argument up with solid reasoning and bonafide facts.
ON EDIT: added quotation mark
Re: Towards a new RI
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:32 pm
by JackRiddler
smiths » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:34 am wrote:I have had a pretty good career of doing that,
I have worked in a lot of working class, often right-leaning work environments and have got pretty good at engaging, pushing, pulling back, pushing, etc etc
at my last job which was mostly populated by truck drivers, forklift drivers and unskilled labourers, racism was fairly commonplace, sexism was the absolute norm, and the vast majority voted for the Australian Liberal party (conservative/reactionary)
the interesting thing is that as you go under the surface you find a hell of a lot of decent, caring, loyal people under those ignorant exteriors which are often just bravado and front
i was constantly known and baited for my left-wing views and loved nothing more than to get involved in a 'debate', but i also knew the limits and who not to push too far
the working class men of Australia were particularly hateful to our previous female Prime Minister which i found really sad and disgusting, a lot of 'blokes' still find the idea of a powerful and intelligent woman threatening - pathetic eh
I admire you for such effort in RL.
I think it obvious that a message board is not a place where it's possible to get "under the surface" in this way. Not designed for it. People who come here to push such views subtly or obviously (as in the case of bluenose) aren't going to "be themselves" in a real life context.
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