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Stickdog I really don't see what difference money makes unless, as someone else said, you're going to operate on the assumption that it buys happiness or contentment. It doesn't. There is no rampage killer profile - they tend to be young, I think, because of the role that psychosexual elements play in these things, and young wankers tend to be angrier about things than older ones. But that is only relative. From a few things about Paddock - the way people say he talked to Danley, his failed marriage, the prostitute - he clearly had women issues. Heaven Swan exaggerates the popularity of violence-themed pornography but the fact that it is popular at all is worrying. And the overlap between issues of masculinity (not unrelated to economic problems and male unemployment) and the popularity of radical philosophies, and consequent acts of mass violence, is a very important theme of the times. And it plays out in similar ways in the US and in Muslim societies.

So I am as convinced of this as I expect I'll be of anything to do with this massacre: Stephen Paddock shot at people from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

I have reasons to suspect that someone else also shot at people at the same time, though - from the same room, using a different calibre - and got away. Maybe he killed Paddock, maybe elements of law enforcement were in on it, I don't know.

stefano » 09 Oct 2017 08:06 wrote:

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:04 pm wrote:I am still waiting for someone to produce the list of previous senior citizen millionaires who shot scores of people to death for no reason.

I don't know how rich they all were, but here's a list of older rampage killers I posed in this thread last week

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:12 pm wrote:Campo Elías Delgado was 52 when he killed 29 people on a rampage in Bogota, Friedrich Leibacher was 57 when he killed 14 on his rampage in Zug (Switzerland), Ljubiša Bogdanović went on a rampage in Serbia at 60, two Spanish brothers called Izquierdo killed nine people in a rampage when they were 53 and 58 respectively.

Check out this list of American rampage killers, the length of that. Mad.

One of them was Ira Attebury, 64 years old, who opened fire at a festive crowd of parade spectators in downtown San Antonio in April 1979. "The police said at first that he had been slain by a sharpshooter, but later said that Mr. Attebury had shot himself in the head with a revolver."

Ira killed two people not including himself and injured 32 more. The medical examiner found PCP and thorazine in his blood.

http://familythenandnow.org/Data_Files/ ... e-1b.shtml

“It (PCP) probably caused the erratic behavior leading to the attack,” Dr. Santos reported. “While there may have been some previous mental trauma, the influence of PCP is more spectacular and I would ascribe his behavior to the drug.”

Ira, apparently, went berserk under the delusion that the police were chasing him.

Robert Pugh, director of the Bexar County Mental Health Department, confirmed that he was told by police that Ira had contacted the police department on more than one occasion “some time” before the day of the shooting to complain about the police allegedly being “after him” and to seek mental health aid. Ira's brother Roy Attebery told reporters at the time that Ira “felt the police were following him all the time, but it was all in his imagination.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velika_Ivanča_shooting

Ljubiša Bogdanović was 59 went he went on a rampage in Serba. He was closely related to 11 of the 14 people he killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Leibacher

Friedrich Leibacher was off the charts nuts, but he at least though he was committing revenge killings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campo_Elías_Delgado

Campo Elías Delgado was also off the charts nuts, but he started by killing people he knew, including his mother.

So where did we all get the idea that is somehow commonplace for a sane person over 55 to premeditate a mass shooting of random strangers for no reason and then off himself? Where did this idea come from?

Here are the mass shooting events of 10+ deaths in all of US history:

58 killed - October 1, 2017 - In Las Vegas, Spooky as fuck

49 killed - June 12, 2016 - Pulse, a gay nightclub, Spooky as fuck

32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech. Spooky as fuck

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook. Spooky as fuck

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - 35-year-old George Hennard executes an insane "revenge" killing on the town (and "viper women") he blames for his financial troubles

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - 41-year-old James Huberty, was a paranoid survivalist nut who tried to get mental healthcare the day before his mass shooting incident

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former US Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were framed by spooks

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - In Edmond, Oklahoma, 45-year-old part-time mail carrier Patrick Henry Sherrill killed his co-workers in "revenge" for reprimanding his performance

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - 39-year-old Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. More spookiness.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, 41-year-old Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself. His note blamed an undercover cop for the killings.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library. More intense spookiness.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed. According to an FBI official after the shooting, Alexis was under the "belief that he was being controlled or influenced by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves". A message later obtained by federal authorities from Alexis' personal computing devices said, "Ultra low frequency attack is what I've been subject to for the last 3 months. And to be perfectly honest, that is what has driven me to this."

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed, and 58 are wounded in a shooting at a screening of the new Batman film in Aurora, Colorado by James E. Holmes, 24.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

That's 19 total double digit mass shootings in US history. All of these shooters were male. Other than Paddock, the oldest shooter was 45. At least seven involve clear mental health issues or mind control or both. At least 8 took place at the shooter's workplace, former workplace, school, or former school. Four started when the shooter killed a family member. And 8 of the 15 in which 13+ people were killed are spooky as fuck.

Here are the ones that most inform our availability heuristic that tells us that these events re common and anyone can kill a large number of randomly for no real reason:

32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech. Spooky as fuck

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook. Spooky as fuck

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - 35-year-old George Hennard executes an insane "revenge" killing on the town (and "viper women") he blames for his financial troubles

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library. More intense spookiness.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed, and 58 are wounded in a shooting at a screening of the new Batman film in Aurora, Colorado by James E. Holmes, 24.

That's 5 total events over a 25+ year period, all involving males 35 or young and 4 involving males 24 or younger.

stefano » 09 Oct 2017 09:13 wrote:Stickdog I really don't see what difference money makes unless, as someone else said, you're going to operate on the assumption that it buys happiness or contentment. It doesn't. There is no rampage killer profile - they tend to be young, I think, because of the role that psychosexual elements play in these things, and young wankers tend to be angrier about things than older ones. But that is only relative. From a few things about Paddock - the way people say he talked to Danley, his failed marriage, the prostitute - he clearly had women issues. Heaven Swan exaggerates the popularity of violence-themed pornography but the fact that it is popular at all is worrying. And the overlap between issues of masculinity (not unrelated to economic problems and male unemployment) and the popularity of radical philosophies, and consequent acts of mass violence, is a very important theme of the times. And it plays out in similar ways in the US and in Muslim societies.

OK, and you are basing his "women issues" on what? Reports of a prostitute paid by the Daily Mail and a worker at Starbucks? The fact that he got divorced twice? 15% of Americans have been married twice and roughly two-thirds of second marriages end up failing before death do they part. And if I concede he has women issues, which he certainly may. so what? If having "women issues" made males shoot and kill dozens of innocent people for no reason and then kill themselves, then such events would not have happened just 4 total times in US history.

What do Muslim society or economic problems or male unemployment or radical philosophies have to do with Paddock? And since when are Filipinos Muslim? It's only 5% Muslim last I looked.

identity » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:31 pm wrote:

Elvis » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:02 pm wrote:

Heaven Swan wrote:The majority of American men regularly bathe their psyches and train their sexual responsiveness with sadistic,violent pornography.

Sorry to depart from the immediate topic, but — Truly? Is there data showing this?

(Not to further derail, but...) I'd also be curious to see anything suggesting that this is what a majority of American women believe about the men they move amongst (regardless of the veracity or otherwise of the original claim). Also, does HS believe this most likely holds true for the male members of RI as well?

News of this study below has been widely repeated in the media since 2009. (along with the ridiculous conclusion that masturbating while watching filmed sexual abuse of women several times week has no effect on the watchers sexuality.) This is an example of the absurd and obtuse reasoning the patriarchal regime subjects us to.

As to, Do I believe that male members of RI share these habits? I'm sure some do, but, and perhaps I'm suffering from another bout of naivete, but I tend to think, or at least hope that some of the regular posters I read here don't fall into this (very large) category.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/67 ... -find.html

All men watch porn, scientists find
Scientists at the University of Montreal launched a search for men who had never looked at pornography - but couldn't find any.


Around 90 per cent of consumption was on the internet, while 10 per cent of material came from video stores Photo: GETTY IMAGES

By Jonathan Liew
1:22PM GMT 02 Dec 2009

Researchers were conducting a study comparing the views of men in their 20s who had never been exposed to pornography with regular users.
But their project stumbled at the first hurdle when they failed to find a single man who had not been seen it.
“We started our research seeking men in their 20s who had never consumed pornography,” said Professor Simon Louis Lajeunesse. “We couldn't find any.”
Although hampered in its original aim, the study did examined the habits of those young men who used pornography – which would appear to be all of them.
Prof Lajeunesse interviewed 20 heterosexual male university students who consumed pornography, and found on average, they first watched pornography when they were 10 years old.

Around 90 per cent of consumption was on the internet, while 10 per cent of material came from video stores.
Single men watched pornography for an average of 40 minutes, three times a week, while those in relationships watched it 1.7 times a week for around 20 minutes.
The study found that men watched pornography that matched their own image of sexuality, and quickly discarded material they found offensive or distasteful.
Prof Lajeunesse said pornography did not have a negative effect on men's sexuality.
“Not one subject had a pathological sexuality,” he said. “In fact, all of their sexual practices were quite conventional.
“Pornography hasn't changed their perception of women or their relationship, which they all want to be as harmonious and fulfilling as possible,” he added.

stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:OK, and you are basing his "women issues" on what? Reports of a prostitute paid by the Daily Mail and a worker at Starbucks? The fact that he got divorced twice?

Yeah, mostly. Also I just learnt that he and Danley met when she was a hostess and he was a whale gambler, meaning he started liking her at a time when she was showing subservient obsequiousness to him. I think that's what he liked (and why he spent a lot of time in casinos, sounds like he enjoyed being made to feel like the big swinging dick).

stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:15% of Americans have been married twice and roughly two-thirds of second marriages end up failing before death do they part. And if I concede he has women issues, which he certainly may. so what? If having "women issues" made males shoot and kill dozens of innocent people for no reason and then kill themselves, then such events would not have happened just 4 total times in US history.

Again, you're making a lot out of the number of people he ended up killing, but all these other rampage killers seemed to start out with the aim of killing as many as possible, then stopped during the rampage. Perhaps he hit on the deadliest tactic - staying far away? He couldn't see the faces of the people he was shooting at. These things are going to keep getting deadlier. At some point someone's going to kill 100 people; nothing about that dude will be notably different, he will just have found a way to kill more people than anyone before him.

stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:What do Muslim society or economic problems or male unemployment or radical philosophies have to do with Paddock?

He killed a whole lot of people. Lots of men are killing a whole lot of people these days, and most of them are Muslim. I think all terrorists and rampage killers have some sort of complicated relationship to masculinity and women. So do a lot of Muslims, and so do a lot of unemployed men (broke or rich, interestingly, but mostly broke). Depending on cultural factors some of them will then gravitate to right-wing white nationalist movements and others to networks of radical Islamists. I've spent a bit of time trying to make sense of the links between communities of young men with issues like this (check out /r/incels for instance) and support for white nationalism and there's certainly a link.

stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:And since when are Filipinos Muslim? It's only 5% Muslim last I looked.

Not sure why we're talking about Filipinos here, is it the Danley connection? I wasn't thinking of the Philippines.

HS, thanks for replying to my question, or one of them anyway (although the pasted material answering Elvis' question said nothing specifically about the widespread consumption of "sadistic,violent pornography," which is what I understood him to be asking about [unless, that is, you consider all pornography to be sadistic and violent, apart, perhaps, from lesbian pornography directed and produced by lesbians for an exclusively lesbian audience?]).

For all of you Amateur Long-Distance Psychoanalysts who are so enthusiastically inventing "psychosexual" motives and sinister "women issues", here is an actual first-person statement from Marilou Danley. Unlike you, this woman actually knew the man she is talking about, and these are her own words. They don't fit in with your diagnosis, so do be sure to ignore them.

Las Vegas gunman's girlfriend says Stephen Paddock was a 'quiet, kind man', as sheriff says it's 'hard to believe' he planned attack alone

[...]

Ms Danley said in a statement that she had no clue he was planning the massacre that left 59 dead and more than 500 injured in America's worst ever mass shooting.

"I knew Stephen Paddock as a kind, caring, quiet man. I loved him and hoped for a quiet future together with him.

"He never said anything to me or took any action that I was aware of that I understood in any way to be a warning that something horrible like this was going to happen."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... dock-kind/

OK, I give up. I guess every man really does have a mass shooter inside of him just waiting to blast his way out and shoot as many innocent strangers as he possibly can for no reason whatsoever before offing himself. The only thing limiting us is our imagination! And on the bright side, at least we won't have to worry about overpopulation anymore.

And we all must admit that Muslims are by nature senseless, violent mass murderers.

So let's all keep reflexively convicting any motiveless corpse whom the authorities decide to pin anything on without supplying any evidence. Especially if he is Muslim or has viewed pornography because that seals it right there.

See y'all at the apocalypse!

I am really glad to see you posting here stickdog99 ....I hope that wasn't a good bye

I don't understand why people have to leave here after being subjected to personal attacks and difference of opinions

Welcome to my world get over it and keep posting....here's looking at you conniption..you shouldn't have left either

I was really enjoying this thread


@ Mac

For all of you Amateur Long-Distance Psychoanalysts who are so enthusiastically inventing "psychosexual" motives and sinister ".....blah...blah...blah

that's really rich coming from you

stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:30 am wrote:
So let's all keep reflexively convicting any motiveless corpse whom the authorities decide to pin anything on without supplying any evidence. Especially if he is Muslim or has viewed pornography because that seals it right there.

Yeah, it's this hunger to believe The Authoritay that just appals me. No motive? No problem, officer! We'll put our imagination to work and concoct one for you!

Women issues! Gambling debts! Rage at the planet! Psychosexual stuff! Too much Valium! Muslim sympathies! He was mad at his Daddy! He wanted to impress his Daddy! Goddammit, he was a 9/11 conspiracy nut, according to an anonymous prostitute allegedly quoted by The Sun! How much more evidence do you nerds need? Haven't you ever heard of psychology? Human beings are all TICKING BOMBS!

He dunnit. Case closed.

What's on TV? (I hope it's Silence of the Lambs, that's a good 'un. Profound insight into human nature™.)

MacCruiskeen » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:12 pm wrote:Can anyone show me even one (1) photo or film of MUZZLE FLASHES from those two windows on floor 32?

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Not only was that 12-minute battlefield cacophony of 160 dB machine-gun fire magically inaudible * inside the hotel, it was also magically invisible from outside.

So I take it that's a No, then. And it's not as if that 32nd-floor corner suite was in a hidden or difficult-to-photograph position:



Yet there exists not one single photo or film of even one muzzle flash from any of those thousands of bullets fired from several machine-guns through two broken windows in the course of a cacophonous 10-15 minute shooting spree.

I realise it's in poor taste to point this out, so let's instead carry on speculating about Stephen Paddock's taste in porn.

So many narratives, so little time.

MacC - can you show me just one (1) picture of a muzzle flash coming from any other location during this incident?


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I thought not.

mentalgongfu2 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:32 am wrote:MacC - can you show me just one (1) picture of a muzzle flash coming from any other location during this incident?


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I thought not.

That's very clever. Here:



Fourth floor, a couple of hundred meters away from that corner suite. Allegedly this was a "strobe light" that just happened to be flashing at the very same time as the shots were being fired. (For the record: I don't know what it was.)

I also never claimed that the shooting (all of it) came from that 32nd-floor corner-suite ("Vista Suite"). The police did, and do. Everyone has a smartphone nowadays, especially in Vegas. So where are all those films & photos of the muzzle flashes?

Reminder: The Mandalay was by far the highest and most prominent building for miles around.